Posted on 04/15/2013 5:06:15 PM PDT by DouglasKC
Read the first 5 books of the bible. You’ll see that that god is addressed in 3 manners. Lord, Lord God, God.
Yes, it’s very unfortunate that in order to believe and trust in God, one must first believe and trust in fellow man and nobody ever went to the poor house distrusting and disbelieving in fellow men.
At the time timothy wrote...the only scripture was the old testament...the new testament didn’t exist...
Thanks! In hebrew there are many many different titles for our Lord in the old testament.
Check out this link for some of them...
“At the time timothy wrote...the only scripture was the old testament...the new testament didn’t exist...”
Wrong. The Apostles and their close associates believed they were writing scripture, since they were inspired by the Holy Ghost as defined in Timothy. Here is Peter referring to Paul’s epistles as the scripture:
2Pe 3:15-16 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; (16) As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
Here is Paul quoting from the Gospel of Luke and calling it scripture:
1Ti_5:18 For the scripture saith, Thou shalt not muzzle the ox that treadeth out the corn. And, The labourer is worthy of his reward.
Luk_10:7 And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the labourer is worthy of his hire. Go not from house to house.
The first part of that quote is from the Books of Moses, thus Luke is placed side by side the works of Moses and called “scripture.”
The Apostles literally believed they were creating a new canon of scripture as they wrote them down.
I understand. I tend to think of an army officer and his superior. Inferior is simp;y of rank.
“Son of man” is regarded as a mistranlation...this is how chabad.org translates it...”Ancient of Days” just refers to God and his eternal nature.
Daniel 7:13. I saw in the visions of the night, and behold with the clouds of the heaven, one like a man was coming, and he came up to the Ancient of Days and was brought before Him.
http://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/16490
I enjoyed the article on the early days of the Christian Church as well...”the making of the sausage” is very interesting..
Bingo.
Okay, I get the mistranslation part, but do they think that the "man" is the future messiah going to be given in a kingdom in verse 14?
“At the time timothy wrote...”
I just caught this. Paul wrote the epistle, not Timothy. Timothy was receiving it.
“Given the Father has superior knowledge, authority and power to the Son and their relationship is described by both is father and son, I should think “inferior” is a suitable and accurate term.”
That’s like saying God is inferior within Himself, since there’s only one God. The Father and the Son are also called by the same names, called Almighty, etc.
“That’s like saying God is inferior within Himself, since there’s only one God. The Father and the Son are also called by the same names, called Almighty, etc.”
Would you care to explain in a bit more detail since I’m sure you’re not saying the Son IS the Father as well as the Son.
It may not have been complete at that time, but most of the New Testament had be written, and was circulating to the scattered church in Asia Minor. Paul tells Timothy to preach the word. Is that only the OT, or both the OT and writings of the Apostles?
“Would you care to explain in a bit more detail since I’m sure you’re not saying the Son IS the Father as well as the Son.”
The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all one God, though they are distinct within the Godhead. Since all three are Divine, they cannot be inferior one to another, even though they have different roles. They are coeternal, existing eternally from the beginning, having created the heavens and the Earth.
Rev 4:5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and [there were] seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God. Is that the one you mean?
>> “The Son of Man walked with Daniel in the fiery furnace” <<
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Not Daniel, Shadrach, Meshack, and Abednego.
Daniel had his lion’s den encounter.
It is not idea supported in the Scriptures. I understand what you say but it is just not what the Scriptures say.
Where is it said that Father, Son and holy spirit are equal?
That verse from Timothy always comes up. How many centuries more will it take for sola scriptura advocates to understand the difference between "all" and "only."
>> “The Apostles literally believed they were creating a new canon of scripture as they wrote them down.” <<
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No, they believed that Torah and Tanach were scripture and that to add to them was forbidden. The corruptions came when the gospels and epistles were translated into Greek.
All of the apostles were taught in their youth that to add to or take away from Torah was forbidden, and that was why Yeshua made a point to declare that he would neither add to or take away from Torah.
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