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Are the Biblical Holy Days Christian?
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Posted on 04/19/2013 9:44:14 PM PDT by DouglasKC

Are the Biblical Holy Days Christian Festivals?

Why do most people keep holidays that are different from the festivals listed and described in the pages of the Bible?

Why do most people keep holidays that are different from the festivals listed and described in the pages of the Bible? When were the biblical feasts abandoned, and why? How can we be sure which sacred days Christians should observe?

Here are the answers!

Jesus Himself set an example for us (1 John 2:6) in observing the sacred festivals commanded in the Holy Scriptures (Matthew 26:17; Mark 1:21; Luke 4:16, 31; John 7:8-10, 14, 37). His apostles and their converts, walking in His footsteps and following His example, continued observing the same festivals (Acts 2:1; 12:2-4; 16:13; 18:4, 19, 21; 20:6; 27:9; 1 Corinthians 5:7-8). The Encyclopaedia Britannica (13th edition), under Festivals," states that it is "abundantly clear that Christ and His disciples observed the appointed Jewish feasts."

Faithful Christians continued, for several centuries after Christ's death, to follow His and the apostles' examples in keeping the festivals. But this all changed when a politicized and paganized form of Christianity developed within the Roman Empire.

Historian Stewart Easton explains how and when the change occurred—with the help of the Roman emperors. "Constantine [A.D. 306-337], though not baptized a Christian until he was on his deathbed, took an active interest in the [Christian] religion, presiding over the important Council of Nicea ... During the fourth century, under imperial protection ..., the Christian religion ... made rapid progress, even in the rural areas where the old gods had never altogether lost their appeal. When at the end of the century (A.D. 392) [Emperor] Theodosius I decreed that henceforth Christianity was to be the only religion in the [Roman] empire, the countryside perforce had to submit and adopt at least the forms of Christianity. But it would probably have been difficult for any observer to detect much difference ... It is clear that these folk knew little enough of the teachings or theology of Christianity, and the festivals and ceremonies of paganism for the most part were incorporated directly into the new official religion ( The Heritage of the Past: From the Earliest Times to 1500 , 1964, p. 402, emphasis added).

Charles Guignebert, who was a professor of the history of Christianity at the University of Paris, describes the continuation of the process: "Now at the beginning of the fifth century, the ignorant and the semi-Christians thronged into the Church in numbers ... They had forgotten none of their pagan customs ... The bishops of that period had to content themselves with redressing, as best they could, and in experimental fashion, the shocking malformations of the Christian faith which they perceived around them ... They had to be content with ... postponing until a later date the task of eradicating their superstitions, which they preserved intact ... This 'later date' never arrived, and the Church adapted to herself, as well as she could, them and their customs and beliefs. On their side, they were content to dress up their paganism in a Christian cloak" ( The Early History of Christianity , 1927, pp. 208-210, emphasis added). During this time—in the early centuries after the passing of the original apostles—observance of biblical practices, including the seventh-day Sabbath and God's festivals, practically disappeared from the new and growing religion. They were replaced with other practices and a new set of religious holidays.

Prophecy, however, reveals that God will require the whole world to observe these same biblical festivals in the future. For example, Zechariah prophesies that God will require people to attend the Feast of Tabernacles after Christ returns (Zechariah 14:16). Isaiah prophesies that people of all lands will regularly keep the weekly Sabbath during Christ's millennial reign (Isaiah 66:23 ). Isaiah and Micah prophesy of that time: "Many nations shall come and say, 'Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; He will teach us His ways, and we shall walk in His paths.' For out of Zion the law shall go forth, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem" (Micah 4:2; compare Isaiah 2:3).

Some faithful Christians to this day observe the sacred festivals, the same festivals of God that Christ kept. God instituted these annual occasions to keep His people aware of Christ's mission as the Messiah. These sacred days really are Christian festivals in every respect, and Christians everywhere should observe them.


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1 posted on 04/19/2013 9:44:14 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

More Armstrongist and Church of God 7th Day clap trap.

Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.


2 posted on 04/19/2013 10:10:52 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Do we now register our pressure cookers?)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

For all the world I can't see why posting an article about keeping the holy days of the Lord Jesus Christ engenders such negative vitriol. Can you explain it?

3 posted on 04/19/2013 10:24:44 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

Because we’re not Jews and are not bound by Jewish ritual law. No offense, really, but get this crap off of here.


4 posted on 04/19/2013 10:25:44 PM PDT by caldera599
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To: DouglasKC

I’ll repeat myself. We. Are. Not. JEWS!

I’m not an anti-semite or Jew-hater in any form, but we Christians do not need to keep Jewish holy days. If you’re going to do that, why don’t we argue that Christians should stop eating pork and shellfish because Christ would not have done so?

And I can’t help but detect a hint of anti-Catholicism in your posts. I’ve since learned to smell it from a mile away.


5 posted on 04/19/2013 10:28:21 PM PDT by caldera599
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To: caldera599
Because we’re not Jews and are not bound by Jewish ritual law. No offense, really, but get this crap off of here,

Do you observe Christmas and Easter under the guise of Christian liberty? If so why do you wish to deny others that same liberty? Especially when these are the days our Lord and Savior observed?

6 posted on 04/19/2013 10:30:21 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: caldera599
I’ll repeat myself. We. Are. Not. JEWS

What does that have to do with it? These days are in the bible and belong to Jesus.

I’m not an anti-semite or Jew-hater in any form, but we Christians do not need to keep Jewish holy days.

I want to do it and I know that doing so benefits us spiritually. You've never done it so how come you get to be the expert?

7 posted on 04/19/2013 10:34:00 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

I observe Christmas and Easter to celebrate the Nativity and Resurrection of or Lord, Jesus Christ, respectively. That’s why.

Have you ever heard of the Judaizers? They were folks mentioned in the Bible who thought Christians needed to be Jews first, even going so far as to demand converts be circumcized, in order to be saved. Your thinking is the exact same thing, minus the circumcision, apparently. You seem to think that in order to be true Christians, we need to act like Jews. News flash; we don’t.

I suggest you actually research Christian history and theology and then get into a REAL Christian church. I have a recommendation of one; it’s based in Rome and has over 1.3 billion members =3


8 posted on 04/19/2013 10:36:14 PM PDT by caldera599
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To: DouglasKC

Want to know something that will benefit you spiritually? Receiving Christ’s Body and Blood in the Holy Eucharist. Nothing beats it. =)


9 posted on 04/19/2013 10:37:42 PM PDT by caldera599
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To: DouglasKC

Just quoting ST Paul.

Gal 3:24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster [to bring us] unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

[Gal 3:25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Gal 4:9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?

Gal 4:10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
Gal 4:11I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.


10 posted on 04/19/2013 10:39:49 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Do we now register our pressure cookers?)
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To: caldera599
I observe Christmas and Easter to celebrate the Nativity and Resurrection of or Lord, Jesus Christ, respectively. That’s why.

Oh. I observe Passover because Christ, our Passover died for us. I observe the feast of unleavened bread because it pictures our journey out of sin, spiritual Egypt. Observe Pentecost because it pictures the formation of the church of God. You get the idea.

Who decided your days were better than the bible days?

11 posted on 04/19/2013 10:40:45 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Gal 4:10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. Gal 4:11I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

This isn't talking about the Lord's holy days.

Amazing. You're willing to let anyone else observe any days they want as long as they do it to the Lord, but if I advocate actually keeping the days the Lord created and kept then somehow that's bad. Can you see the logical fallacy there?

12 posted on 04/19/2013 10:43:50 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

Who decided a heretic like Armstrong, who you apparently follow, had more authority than the Church Jesus Christ founded and commissioned to continue His teaching mission?

Arguments like this make me wish the Protestant Revolt never happened. Would have saved us a ton of trouble in the long run, especially from neo-Judaizers.


13 posted on 04/19/2013 10:45:34 PM PDT by caldera599
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THE "LOST TRIBES" OF HERBERT W. ARMSTRONG

The Lost Tribes of Israel
"What Lost Tribes?" you might ask. Why, the Lost Tribes of Israel, of course. You remember them: taken away by their Assyrian conquerors, roaming from here to there, finally settling in . . .

Well, maybe we shouldn't get ahead of the story. Come to think of it, maybe we have no choice, since the booklet under review, "The United States and Britain in Prophecy," gives away the answer in its title. Yes, according to the author, Herbert W. Armstrong, the Lost Tribes of Israel are none other than the British and Americans of British descent.

Armstrong first published this booklet in 1954. It was reprinted in 1987, a year after Armstrong's death, by the religious organization he founded, the Worldwide Church of God, which is making a comeback from a series of scandals that rocked it in the late seventies and early eighties.

You might recall the excommunication of Armstrong's son and heir apparent, Garner Ted Armstrong, who was given the boot because of his philandering and who promptly went out and started his own church, the Church of God, International.

You might even recall that financial troubles forced the Worldwide Church of God to sell off many of its properties and that 35 dissident ministers broke off to form their own church, alleging financial irregularities by both Armstrongs.

But we're not giving an overview of the Worldwide Church of God in this tract. We're just looking at one of the chief doctrines of this church, what is commonly called British Israelism, the idea that the Lost Tribes of Israel are really the descendants of Anglo-Saxons, which is to say the British and Americans whose ethnic origins are found in Britain.

This beguiling doctrine had been around for decades before Herbert W. Armstrong founded his church in 1933, and it appeals, naturally enough, to those of British heritage. After all, who wouldn't want to be a member of the chosen nation (assuming there is one)? And that, in Armstrongism, is precisely what the Anglo-Saxons are—God's chosen nation, where can be found the direct descendant of David and, even today, David's throne.

The United States and Britain in Prophecy opens with this epigraph: "The prophecies of the Bible have been grievously misunderstood. And no wonder! For the vital key, needed to unlock prophetic doors to understanding, had become lost. That key is a definite knowledge of the true identity of the American and British peoples in biblical prophecy."

Only the first sentence of this epigraph is strictly correct, and a good share of the grievous misunderstanding is by people who swallow the writings of Herbert W. Armstrong.

The Argument Begins

"We know Bible prophecies definitely refer to Russia, Italy, Ethiopia, Libya and Egypt, of today. Could they then ignore modem nations like Britain and America? Is it reasonable?"

This is how the argument begins, and notice what kind of argument it is. If these lesser countries are mentioned in Scripture, would it be fair for God to ignore us, important as we are? (We won't discuss here the premise that these other, modern day countries are, indeed, mentioned in Scripture.) You might call it an argument by pride.

Never fear, says Armstrong. "The fact is, [the British and Americans] are mentioned more often than any other race. Yet their prophetic identity has remained hidden to the many." Why is that? Because the Bible doesn't refer to them by their modem names, but by an ancient name. And what is that name? None other than the name Israel.

"Hold it! " you say. The people who came from Israel are Jews. Britons and Americans, for the most part, aren't Jewish. How can the Worldwide Church of God claim otherwise?

Easily. "The house of Israel is not Jewish! Those who constitute it are not Jews, and never were! That fact we shall now see conclusively, beyond refute."

Then comes a history lesson. Israel, as you will recall, was divided into two nations. The southern kingdom was called Judah, the northern Israel. Until the division all these people, who came from twelve tribes, were known as Israelites.

After the division, the people in the southern kingdom, who carne from two tribes, were known as Jews, the word Jew being derived from the word Judah. The people in the northern kingdom, Israel, came from the other ten tribes.

"Certainly this proves that the Jews are a different nation altogether from the House of Israel," claims Armstrong. "The Jews of today are Judah! They call their nation 'Israel' today because they, too, descend from the patriarch Israel or Jacob. But remember that the 'House of Israel'—the ten tribes that separated from Judah—does not mean Jew ! Whoever the lost ten tribes of Israel are today, they are not Jews!"

"By the year 721 B.C., the House of Israel was conquered and its people were soon driven out of their own land—out of their homes and cities—and carried captives to Assyria, near the southern shores of the Caspian Sea!" So it was in 721 that the Lost Tribes got lost.

The Year Nothing Happened

Had they remained faithful to God, all would have been well. "But, if they refused and rebelled, they were to be punished seven times—a duration of 2,520 years—in slavery, servitude, and want." They did rebel, and their punishment extended from 721 B.C. to A.D. 1800.

And what remarkable thing happened in 1800 (the election of Thomas Jefferson not counting)? Well, nothing in particular, but it is from that date, says Armstrong, that Britain and America became world powers, the first, at that time, politically, the second economically (and later politically).

If you think this is convoluted reasoning—the 2,520 years, for example, are calculated by multiplying the seven years of punishment by 360, the number of days in the ancient year, on the principle that each day of punishment really stood for a whole year of punishment—just wait until you read the remainder of the argument in The United States and Britain in Prophecy. It's enough to note here that Armstrong determines from Scripture that the Lost Tribes ended up on islands in the sea, and these islands are northwest of Palestine.

He points out, for instance, that the forty-ninth chapter of Isaiah begins with, "Listen, O isles, unto me." Do you see how this suggests the British Isles? "Take a map of Europe. Lay a line due northwest of Jerusalem across the continent of Europe, until you come to the sea, and then to the islands in the sea! This line takes you direct to the British Isles!"

(The skeptic might note that the line first comes to the Aegean islands, which are also in the sea—the Mediterranean Sea—but this would mean the Greeks are the Lost Tribes, which, as Churchill would say, is something up with which Armstrong would not put.)

Linguistic Legerdemain

Do you want more proof? Armstrong has it. "The House of Israel is the 'covenant people.' The Hebrew word for 'covenant' is brit. And the word for 'covenant man,' or 'covenant people,' would therefore sound, in English word order, Brit-ish (the word ish means 'man' in Hebrew, and it is also an English suffix on nouns and adjectives). And so, is it mere coincidence that the true covenant people today are called the 'British'? And they reside in the 'British Isles'!"

Good grief! No linguist would take this seriously. Did Armstrong really believe that ish in English is derived from Hebrew? Maybe he did. Obviously his many followers do. But they should be a little less credulous when it comes to coincidences in languages. It's easy to "prove" that two entirely unrelated languages come from the same source or at least one from the other.

Take, for instance, Latin and Japanese. Here 's "proof" that one is derived from the other: In Latin, the word for "go" is ite, as in the dismissal at Mass: Ite, missa est. In Japanese, the word itte means "going," as in the phrase, itte kimasu, "I'm going and returning" (said when leaving the house and the equivalent of our "See you soon"). Notice how similar the words are in sound: ite, itte. And notice the nearly identical meaning. The conclusion: Japanese is derived from Latin, or Latin is derived from Japanese.

What logic! What erudition! What nonsense!

Armstrong couldn't resist this kind of argument. It was bad enough to suggest that the word "British" is Hebrew, but he also made another claim: If you take the name "Isaac," you see it's easy for someone to drop the "I" when speaking quickly and to end up with "Saac" as the name of the patriarch. He had descendants, of course, and these may be called "Saac's sons," from which we get the word "Saxons."

"Is it only coincidence," asks Armstrong, "that 'Saxons' sounds the same as 'Saac's sons'—sons of Isaac?" This doesn't even qualify as a coincidence, since Armstrong had to make up the nickname of "Saac" in order for the "coincidence" to exist.

Another Remarkable Coincidence?

He found other coincidences. When the Lost Tribes were scattered, he says, they "brought with them certain remarkable things, including a harp and a wonderful stone called "lia-fail," or stone of destiny. A peculiar coincidence is that Hebrew reads from right to left, while English reads from left to right. Read this name either way—and it still is "lia-fail." Another strange coincidence—or is it just coincidence?—is that many kings in the history of Ireland, Scotland, and England have been coronated sitting over a remarkable stone—including the present queen. The stone rests today in Westminster Abbey in London, and the coronation chair is built over and around it. A sign once beside it labeled it 'Jacob's pillar-stone.'"

(This line of reasoning may not be one of Armstrong's best. After all, one could note that not only Hebrew and English are read in different directions. Japanese can be read right to left, and Gaelic is read left to right, so maybe this speculation really proves the stone brought by the Lost Tribes is none other than the Blarney Stone.) We'll rush to the end of the booklet, where we find proof that "Almighty God fulfilled his promises to the descendants of Joseph in these latter years since 1800. Take these examples of recent history." The examples given are industrial statistics nearly forty years old.

"Total world petroleum output in 1950 was almost 3,800 million barrels. Of this total the United States alone produced more than one half —nearly 52 percent. Together, the British Commonwealth and the United States produced 60 percent of the crude petroleum."

Similarly, "the British Commonwealth and America produced three-fourths of the world's steel—the United States alone produced almost 60 percent in 1951. The United States produced one and one-third times as much pig iron as all other nations combined."

When "The United States and Britain in Prophecy" was reprinted in 1987, why weren't updated figures used? Because the United States and Britain no longer produce a preponderance of oil, steel, or pig iron.

Most of the world's oil comes out of the Middle East, and steel mills have been closing in America over the last two decades. Most of our steel, and the great majority of the world's, is produced in countries, such as Korea, that weren't major producers forty years ago.

If the Worldwide Church of God had used updated figures, a reader might be inclined to think the Lost Tribes ended up in Saudi Arabia and Korea.

Armstrongism's Appeal

What makes the position this book espouses so attractive? It feeds on nationalism. ("I'm of English descent, and now I see that I'm right in the thick of things, biblically speaking.") It supports ethnic prejudice. ("Thank God I'm not Italian—I never liked Italians anyway, and now I see they aren't descended from the Lost Tribes and so are only secondary players in the divine drama, which is something I always suspected.") It seems to be based on a sophisticated understanding of Scripture. ("Armstrong provides lots of citations, and I can't find fault with his arguments—they're so convoluted they must be right.")

But, still, it's wrong, no matter how satisfying it might seem to some."

14 posted on 04/19/2013 10:45:41 PM PDT by iowamark
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

St. Paul provides the perfect smackdown for neo-Judaizers, doesn’t he? =)


15 posted on 04/19/2013 10:47:07 PM PDT by caldera599
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To: caldera599
Who decided a heretic like Armstrong, who you apparently follow, had more authority than the Church Jesus Christ founded and commissioned to continue His teaching mission? Arguments like this make me wish the Protestant Revolt never happened. Would have saved us a ton of trouble in the long run, especially from neo-Judaizers.

Again,why are you so angry cause people want to exercise our Christian liberty and keep the holy days of the Lord Jesus Christ?

16 posted on 04/19/2013 10:55:11 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

Again, one man thinks some days of more importance than others. Another man considers them all alike. Let every one be definite in his own convictions. If a man specially observes one particular day, he does so “to God”. The man who eats, eats “to God”, for he thanks God for the food. The man who fasts also does it “to God”, for he thanks God for the benefits of fasting. The truth is that we neither live nor die as self-contained units. At every turn life links us to God, and when we die we come face to face with him. In life or death we are in the hands of God. Christ lived and died that he might be the Lord in both life and death.

Why, then, criticise your brother’s actions, why try to make him look small? We shall all be judged one day, not by each other’s standards or even our own, but by the standard of Christ. It is written: ‘As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God’. It is to God alone that we have to answer for our actions.


17 posted on 04/19/2013 10:55:24 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: iowamark

Wow you too? Do you hate the holy days of the Lord Jesus Christ...serious question.


18 posted on 04/19/2013 10:56:19 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Mr Rogers
Why, then, criticise your brother’s actions, why try to make him look small? We shall all be judged one day, not by each other’s standards or even our own, but by the standard of Christ. It is written: ‘As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God’. It is to God alone that we have to answer for our actions.

Great! You're okay with me keeping the holy days of Jesus and advocating that others do the same....appreciate your Christianity!

19 posted on 04/19/2013 10:57:38 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

Because your bizarre cult (which doesn’t even recognize the doctrine of the Trinity) is trying to inject Jewish ritual law into Christianity and I’m not going to stand for it. Also, because your soul is at risk because you remain separate from the seven sacraments of our Lord, which he entrusted to His Church, not Herbert Armstrong.


20 posted on 04/19/2013 11:01:30 PM PDT by caldera599
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To: caldera599
Because your bizarre cult (which doesn’t even recognize the doctrine of the Trinity) is trying to inject Jewish ritual law into Christianity and I’m not going to stand for it. Also, because your soul is at risk because you remain separate from the seven sacraments of our Lord, which he entrusted to His Church, not Herbert Armstrong.

Talk about bizarre!

I want the reader to observe the spitting, snarling, the insults, the invectives, hurled against me SIMPLY for wanting to observe the very same holy days that Jesus Christ himself observed. Amazing ain't it?

21 posted on 04/19/2013 11:04:07 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

Thanks Douglas. I love G-d’s Holy Feasts and have abandoned the pagan ones. Unfortunately, this type of topic usually IS met with ......resistance. Someday it won’t be, but for now...it is.

Bondage is SIN...SIN is bondage. G-d’s word was never bondage and SIN was always bondage. We are freed from the bondage of sin, not of G-d’s beautiful, rich, nourishing word which is a lamp unto our feet. I love His word...all of it. I love His instructions because they show us how to walk, the kinds of things that actually please HIM. His word/instructions/Torah doesn’t show us how to sin, but it shows us what sin is.

I’m sooo ready for His redemption. Thankfully we see signs of it’s soon arrival.

Shabbat Shalom brother!


22 posted on 04/19/2013 11:04:21 PM PDT by PrairieLady2
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To: PrairieLady2
Thanks Douglas. I love G-d’s Holy Feasts and have abandoned the pagan ones. Unfortunately, this type of topic usually IS met with ......resistance. Someday it won’t be, but for now...it is.

Thank you so much for the uplifting and gracious post! Have a fantastic sabbath!

23 posted on 04/19/2013 11:06:01 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC

You’ve got a set on you don’t you? If I wanted to insult you, you’d know it. I told you the truth in that last post, but you apparently would rather pretend I insulted you personally, like a liberal trying to argue against the Christian teaching on marriage by saying basically “waaah you hurt my feelings”.

I’m done here.


24 posted on 04/19/2013 11:09:23 PM PDT by caldera599
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To: caldera599
You’ve got a set on you don’t you? If I wanted to insult you, you’d know it. I told you the truth in that last post, but you apparently would rather pretend I insulted you personally, like a liberal trying to argue against the Christian teaching on marriage by saying basically “waaah you hurt my feelings”.

I'm not playing "you hurt my feelings" really...I truly am amazed at the amount of vitriol, personal or not, that comes when someone dares to say that they would rather observe the holy days of the Lord Jesus Christ, the ones he created and kept. And now you compared me to a liberal...the worst insult one could do on FreeRepublic! :-)

25 posted on 04/19/2013 11:14:13 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: iowamark

“The central tenets of British Israelism have been refuted by evidence from modern genetic, linguistic, archaeological and philological research. The doctrine continues, however, to have a significant number of adherents.”

http://bioanthropology.huji.ac.il/pdf/Nebel_2001b.pdf

Human genetics does not support British Israelism’s notion of a close lineal link between Jews and Western Europeans. Genetic research on the Y-chromosomes of Jews has found that Jews are closely related to other populations originating in the Middle East, such as Kurds, Turks, Armenians and Arabs, and concluded that:

Middle Eastern populations...are closely related and...their Y chromosome pool is distinct from that of Europeans. (Nebel, 2001.)[30]

Y-DNA Haplogroups J2 and, to a lesser extent, J1 are most commonly identified in Jewish people, which is in contrast to Western Europeans. The more distant Haplogroup R1b is the most commonly identified in Europeans.[31][32][33][34]

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Israelism


26 posted on 04/20/2013 2:02:13 AM PDT by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: DouglasKC
I think what people object to is your perceived arrogance and superior know-it-all attitude. It really is offensive.

The "I know better and have the truth and I will lecture you about it" is off putting to most breathing creatures.

A better person would have acknowledged a commentator's differing viewpoint and moved on. However, your posts indicate nothing more than an argumentative spirit combined with a vast ego of superiority. That offends even pagans.

My suggestion to you is to immerse yourself in scripture so you can produce a better character in yourself. If the feasts are so important to you, then pray that God will change people's minds, since it is very apparent you have no ability to do so.

27 posted on 04/20/2013 3:05:07 AM PDT by Dave W
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To: DouglasKC

The festivals were for the Jewish people only that is why.


28 posted on 04/20/2013 3:05:51 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: DouglasKC
Why do most people keep holidays that are different from the festivals listed and described in the pages of the Bible?

Because those holidays are for Jews, who reject Jesus, and for Shabbos Goys.

29 posted on 04/20/2013 3:13:41 AM PDT by Hacksaw
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To: Biggirl
"The festivals were for the Jewish people only that is why."

Absolutely right Biggirl.

"Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ." Col. 2:16-17

End of story.

30 posted on 04/20/2013 3:43:44 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: DouglasKC

Can the Old Covenant festivals be seen as Christian? Does it matter that, when He was among us that the Old Covenant was in force and the New Covenant didn’t begin until He arose? When He spoke and acted, it was in obedience to the Old Covenant because He was the only one who ever walked the Earth that could be 100% obedient and deserving of and by Himself. I may not be a theologian, but it seems that many get the Old and New Covenants mixed up and fail to allow for the differences.


31 posted on 04/20/2013 5:04:07 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: DouglasKC
For those interested in the now 400 year old rebuttals relative to the Christmas part of this the following might be of interest.

Pastor Fido an Anglican writing in the year 1650.

The author of these threads, having no interest in actual history, preferring to make up things out of whole cloth and follow after crackpots, will continue his quest to bring confusion.
32 posted on 04/20/2013 6:26:30 AM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: circlecity

To which also enters the Jerusalem Council’s conclusions as well. Further supporting what you say.


33 posted on 04/20/2013 6:28:43 AM PDT by wonkowasright (Wonko from outside the asylum)
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To: Dave W
My suggestion to you is to immerse yourself in scripture so you can produce a better character in yourself. If the feasts are so important to you, then pray that God will change people's minds, since it is very apparent you have no ability to do so.

If it were ONLY my perceived arrogance then these types of thread would quickly die.

I think it's something more.

I think both Protestants and Catholics absolutely HATE the idea Christians keeping the holy days of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Supposedly Christians have Christian liberty. Yet here you are too instead of just saying "God bless you for keeping SOME kind of holy day" you need to come on this thread, make an effort to read it, and instead of dealing with the topic turn around and blame me!

What is it about the holy days that are so offensive to you?

34 posted on 04/20/2013 6:40:46 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Biggirl
The festivals were for the Jewish people only that is why.

That's not what scripture says:

Joh 12:20 Now there were certain Greeks among those who came up to worship at the feast.

Greeks aren't Jews. Yet here they were, in biblical times, observing the very same days that Jesus created and kept.

Isa 56:6 "Also the sons of the foreigner Who join themselves to the LORD, to serve Him, And to love the name of the LORD, to be His servants— Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath, And holds fast My covenant—
Isa 56:7 Even them I will bring to My holy mountain, And make them joyful in My house of prayer. Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices Will be accepted on My altar; For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations."

"Sons of foreigners" are not Jews. God says that if non-Jews observe his sabbaths...and his holy days ARE sabbaths...then his house shall be called a house of prayer for ALL nations...not just the jewish nation.

No, there the notion that the holy days of Jesus Christ are just for Jews is built strictly on mistaken tradition.

Besides WHY are they only for the Jews IF we have Christian liberty to worship on any days we want? Do you believe that?

35 posted on 04/20/2013 6:48:10 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: trebb
Can the Old Covenant festivals be seen as Christian? Does it matter that, when He was among us that the Old Covenant was in force and the New Covenant didn’t begin until He arose?

God's holy days were created BEFORE the old covenant was struck. They are part of the old covenant (and new) but they exist outside of any covenant.

Besides, if you believe in the concept of Christian liberty why is it "bad" for me to observe holy days created by Jesus Christ that are IN the bible...yet it's not "bad" for you to observe days that were invented by man and are NOT in the bible?

36 posted on 04/20/2013 6:51:22 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: wonkowasright
The author of these threads, having no interest in actual history, preferring to make up things out of whole cloth and follow after crackpots, will continue his quest to bring confusion.

Excuse me, but what have I said that I've made up "whole cloth"?

I've basically asked...why does Christian liberty allow one to worship on any day they desire, keep any kind of strange holiday they want, but EXCLUDES the one and only days that Jesus Christ created and kept himself? Doesn't "Christian" mean one who follows Christ?

37 posted on 04/20/2013 6:54:33 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: wonkowasright

This reminds me of the circumcision arguments in Acts 15.


38 posted on 04/20/2013 7:13:58 AM PDT by winkadink (During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. George Orwell)
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To: winkadink

You got it. Just more to put the burden on those who follow Christ.


39 posted on 04/20/2013 7:19:19 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: circlecity

Thank-you and God Bless.


40 posted on 04/20/2013 7:20:05 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl
You got it. Just more to put the burden on those who follow Christ.

Mat 11:29 Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
Mat 11:30 For My yoke is easy and My burden is light."

Did Christ create holy days?

Lev 23:2 "Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: 'The feasts of the LORD, which you shall proclaim to be holy convocations, these are My feasts.

Whose feasts are these?

Lev 23:2 "Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: 'The feasts of the LORD, which you shall proclaim to be holy convocations, these are My feasts.

What does he tell his followers to do?

Lev 23:2 "Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: 'The feasts of the LORD, which you shall proclaim to be holy convocations, these are My feasts.

We're supposed to set them apart, sanctify them...according to Jesus Christ.

That's a light burden and an easy yoke sister... :-)

41 posted on 04/20/2013 7:31:52 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

You got it, Christ has set us free from the old law.


42 posted on 04/20/2013 7:36:20 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: DouglasKC
"God's holy days were created BEFORE the old covenant was struck."

Really? My bible shows the old covenant first being struck with Abraham in Gen 12 and especially Gen. 15. Please direct me to the passages where God's "holy days" were created before that.

43 posted on 04/20/2013 7:36:44 AM PDT by circlecity
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To: DouglasKC

Again you are refering to what is part of the old Jewish law.


44 posted on 04/20/2013 7:37:19 AM PDT by Biggirl ("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
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To: Biggirl
Again you are refering to what is part of the old Jewish law

What do you mean by "Jewish law"?

45 posted on 04/20/2013 7:37:58 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: circlecity
Really? My bible shows the old covenant first being struck with Abraham in Gen 12 and especially Gen. 15. Please direct me to the passages where God's "holy days" were created before that.

That's the Abrahamic covenant.

The old covenant is that covenant struck with the children of Israel at Mount Sinai...sometimes also known as the Mosaic Covenant.

46 posted on 04/20/2013 7:42:35 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: DouglasKC
"What do you mean by "Jewish law"?"

I am sure she is referring to the law establish by the Mosaic covenant which applied only to the Children of Israel and their seed. The children of Israel are identified in Ex 1.1

47 posted on 04/20/2013 7:43:34 AM PDT by circlecity
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48 posted on 04/20/2013 7:46:02 AM PDT by narses
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To: circlecity; Biggirl
"What do you mean by "Jewish law"?" I am sure she is referring to the law establish by the Mosaic covenant which applied only to the Children of Israel and their seed. The children of Israel are identified in Ex 1.1

Okay, we'll see if she agrees and then I'll respond to her separately. Is this also what you think when it comes to "Jewish law"?

49 posted on 04/20/2013 7:46:37 AM PDT by DouglasKC
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50 posted on 04/20/2013 7:47:03 AM PDT by narses
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