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Women-priest fakers allow Protestants [UCC] to define who Catholics are. There must be consequences.
What Does The Prayer Really Say ^ | 4/28/2013 | Fr. John Zuhlsdorf

Posted on 04/28/2013 8:56:28 AM PDT by markomalley

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To: Salvation

There is no need for a priesthood to offer sacrifices.

Jesus shed blood was enough and put an end to the system of sacrifices.


51 posted on 04/28/2013 1:23:02 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: maxwellsmart_agent
They have been thinking that they have a church when, in fact, they are keeping the wants of an inherent philanderer as if it were gospel. When will the people see that he was nothing but a seeker of earthly lust and nothing else? He was a slob who led a lot of people wrong.

I wouldn't think that's a good think to say about Jesus. He might take exception to that.

52 posted on 04/28/2013 1:25:12 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Salvation
So the priests have the power to retain the sins of someone and send them to hell.

God put an amazing amount of power in the hands of easily corruptible mortal man.

Not.

God promises us this......

1 John 1:7-9 7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus his Son cleanses us from all sin. 8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, he [He who? Jesus.] is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

1 Timothy 2:5-6 5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all, which is the testimony given at the proper time.

If God gave men the power to retain sins then He contradicted His own word which promises forgiveness.

53 posted on 04/28/2013 1:38:42 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: .45 Long Colt
Every Catholic needs to hear this. Indeed it would be profitable for everyone who calls himself a Christian to watch this. Two-Edged Truth by Richard Bennett https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9mQW5YfV54
54 posted on 04/28/2013 2:00:25 PM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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To: markomalley
This entire thread would be easier to digest if it weren't so repetitive and unorganized.
Yes, I am a Catholic. A real one.

Why not attack the problem directly without the need for 10,000 words?

Copyright infringement. Intent to deceive and confuse. The sooner the better.

I don't care if they call themselves the Confused Gay catholics. Or Lesbian catholics, (small "c") if the word is deemed to be a common English word.
Catholic, Roman Catholic and Universal Catholic Church have been recognized universally worldwide as the church headed by the Pope in the Vatican. Perverts need to deal with that.

55 posted on 04/28/2013 2:18:12 PM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: Craftmore
But didnt Jesus Himself,Ask a woman to preach the gospel “IE HE is Risen” to the disciples?

Don't be silly.

56 posted on 04/28/2013 2:20:33 PM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: Craftmore
I remember nothing in my Bible that says He made disciples priests either,can you show me chapter and verse?

Hmmmm. Another pervert who doesn't grasp the difference between "The Bible" and the New Testament.
That's why I avoid religion threads like the plague they are.

Debating a deviant liberal is like attempting to fertilize rocks...

57 posted on 04/28/2013 2:28:10 PM PDT by publius911 (Look for the Union label, then buy something else.)
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To: markomalley
And if they respond, “Gee, we mean no disrespect. We are just giving space to this group”, then what they are doing is aiding a protest against the Catholic Church.

Wait, a protestant church protested against the Catholic Church .....and we're surprised? angered? hurt? C'mon now.

No matter how much "ecumenism" we try to encourage, this will never change. Hopefully someday we'll all wake up....heirarchy included.

58 posted on 04/28/2013 3:03:00 PM PDT by piusv
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To: publius911

In My Bible,Jesus tells Mary Magdelene to go and tell the disciples that He is risen,Which they refused to believe ,,perhaps because the mesage came fom a simple woman?Or dont you read youre Bible?


59 posted on 04/28/2013 3:52:55 PM PDT by Craftmore
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To: publius911

So,,,you only follow the “New Testament” not the entire Bible?Or do you not believe that the entire Bible testifies to Jesus?And you say Im a pervert for believing Gods Holy Word?


60 posted on 04/28/2013 3:56:03 PM PDT by Craftmore
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To: netmilsmom; thefrankbaum; Tax-chick; GregB; saradippity; Berlin_Freeper; Litany; SumProVita; ...

Ping!


61 posted on 04/28/2013 4:18:10 PM PDT by NYer (Beware the man of a single book - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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To: Gamecock; markomalley; metmom; Alex Murphy
This looks like another Papist issue that FRoman Catholics try to blame on true Protestants.

surveying the landscape, there are now more than 50,000 non-catholic=protestant churches. For the benefit of catholic visitors to this thread, please define a true Protestant.

62 posted on 04/28/2013 4:21:49 PM PDT by NYer (Beware the man of a single book - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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To: NYer; Gamecock; markomalley; metmom; Alex Murphy

>> “please define a true Protestant.” <<

.
One who

A - Believes that what Yehova gave us is all that he gave us,

B - and does not worship/venerate dead creatures,

C - Understands that Yehova has no mommie.


63 posted on 04/28/2013 4:26:04 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor

Can you associate your statement with recognizable denominational names, such as Methodist, Lutheran, etc. Many thanks.


64 posted on 04/28/2013 4:31:34 PM PDT by NYer (Beware the man of a single book - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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To: NYer

Denominations really mean little at this point in time.


65 posted on 04/28/2013 4:46:06 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: NYer
surveying the landscape, there are now more than 50,000 non-catholic=protestant churches. For the benefit of catholic visitors to this thread, please define a true Protestant.

Got a source for that number?

A link would work.

66 posted on 04/28/2013 4:48:39 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Craftmore
So,,,you only follow the “New Testament” not the entire Bible?Or do you not believe that the entire Bible testifies to Jesus?And you say Im a pervert for believing Gods Holy Word?

Sure looks that's what was said, doesn't it?

I guess there's accusation too extreme to go to for those who hate God's word.

67 posted on 04/28/2013 4:51:57 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: NYer; Gamecock; metmom
surveying the landscape, there are now more than 50,000 non-catholic=protestant churches.

Up to 50,000 this year, eh? Three years ago, the claim went from "over 20,000" to "40,000+" and then down to "30,000+" in a single month! Are we supposed to get motion sickness from the armchair apologetics?

68 posted on 04/28/2013 5:20:12 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: Houghton M.; metmom
Acts 15:8 And God, who knows the heart, bore witness by granting them the holy Spirit just as he did us. 9 He made no distinction between us and them, for by faith he purified their hearts.

We like and believe in the pristhood as defined in scripture, not as defined by the pagan RCC. All believers are a royal pristhood.

1 Peter 2:9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

69 posted on 04/28/2013 5:52:57 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: Salvation; metmom
Yet you continue to ignore this.

Acts 15:8 And God, who knows the heart, bore witness by granting them the holy Spirit just as he did us. 9 He made no distinction between us and them, for by faith he purified their hearts.

70 posted on 04/28/2013 5:55:39 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: Alex Murphy; Gamecock; metmom
Three years ago, the claim went from "over 20,000" to "40,000+" and then down to "30,000+" in a single month!

33,820 is the number of denominations/paradenominations reported in the 2001 Second Edition of Barrett's World Christian Encyclopedia. 38,000 was cited for the 2006 edition. That is an increase of 5,000 in 5 years, or 1000 per year. That rate does not include the number of "home churches". You do the math.

71 posted on 04/28/2013 5:56:53 PM PDT by NYer (Beware the man of a single book - St. Thomas Aquinas)
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To: editor-surveyor

72 posted on 04/28/2013 6:02:06 PM PDT by narses
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To: markomalley

I’m a Protestant. I don’t want her and those who think like her any more than traditionalist Roman Catholics do.


73 posted on 04/28/2013 6:06:45 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: metmom

‘When Jesus had received the sour wine, he said, “It is finished”, and he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.’

John 19:30

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%2019:30&version=ESVUK


74 posted on 04/28/2013 6:10:03 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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Add me / Remove me

Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of general interest.

75 posted on 04/28/2013 6:11:07 PM PDT by narses
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To: CynicalBear

“All of the Lent and Easter abomination is pagan and God clearly condemned it in scripture.”

“God doesn’t smile down on people who celebrate Easter.”

Your words mark you CB.


76 posted on 04/28/2013 6:11:51 PM PDT by narses
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To: narses; CynicalBear
Your words mark you CB.

As what and in whose eyes?

77 posted on 04/28/2013 6:29:37 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom

Do you agree with them?

“All of the Lent and Easter abomination is pagan and God clearly condemned it in scripture.”

“God doesn’t smile down on people who celebrate Easter.”


78 posted on 04/28/2013 6:33:21 PM PDT by narses
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To: ReformationFan
Hebrews 10:1-22 For since the law has but a shadow of the good things to come instead of the true form of these realities, it can never, by the same sacrifices that are continually offered every year, make perfect those who draw near. 2 Otherwise, would they not have ceased to be offered, since the worshipers, having once been cleansed, would no longer have any consciousness of sins? 3 But in these sacrifices there is a reminder of sins every year. 4 For it is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.

5 Consequently, when Christ came into the world, he said, “Sacrifices and offerings you have not desired, but a body have you prepared for me; 6 in burnt offerings and sin offerings you have taken no pleasure. 7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come to do your will, O God, as it is written of me in the scroll of the book.’”

8 When he said above, “You have neither desired nor taken pleasure in sacrifices and offerings and burnt offerings and sin offerings” (these are offered according to the law), 9 then he added, “Behold, I have come to do your will.” He does away with the first in order to establish the second. 10 And by that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11 And every priest stands daily at his service, offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet. 14 For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.

15 And the Holy Spirit also bears witness to us; for after saying, 16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds,”

17 then he adds, “I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.”

18 Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin.

19 Therefore, brothers, since we have confidence to enter the holy places by the blood of Jesus, 20 by the new and living way that he opened for us through the curtain, that is, through his flesh, 21 and since we have a great priest over the house of God, 22 let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, with our hearts sprinkled clean from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.

79 posted on 04/28/2013 6:34:52 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: narses

That’s not an answer to my questions.

That’s evasion and a red herring.


80 posted on 04/28/2013 6:35:54 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: NYer; Gamecock; metmom
33,820 is the number of denominations/paradenominations reported in the 2001 Second Edition of Barrett's World Christian Encyclopedia. 38,000 was cited for the 2006 edition. That is an increase of 5,000 in 5 years, or 1000 per year.
Do not allege that there are 33,000 Protestant denominations. This tally comes from the 2001 World Christian Encyclopedia, and it includes all denominations and paradenominations which self-identify as Christian, including Catholics, Orthodox, Protestants, Old Catholics, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Seventh Day Adventists, Gnostics, Bogomils, etc.
-- from the thread Unsound Sticks, or, Arguments Catholics Shouldn't Use
When this figure first surfaced among Roman Catholic apologists, it started at 20,000 Protestant denominations, grew to 23,000 Protestant denominations, then to 25,000 Protestant denominations. More recently, that figure has been inflated to 28,000, to over 32,000. These days, many Roman Catholic apologists feel content simply to calculate a daily rate of growth (based on their previous adherence to the original benchmark figure of 20,000) that they can then use as a basis for projecting just how many Protestant denominations there were, or will be, in any given year....

....If the Roman Catholic apologist wants instead to cite 8,196 idiosyncrasies within Protestantism, then he must be willing to compare that figure to at least 2,942 (perhaps upwards of 8,000 these days) idiosyncrasies within Roman Catholicism. In any case, he cannot compare the one ecclesial tradition of Roman Catholicism to 25,000, 8,196, or even twenty-one Protestant denominations; for Barrett places Roman Catholicism (as a single ecclesial tradition) on the same level as Protestantism (as a single ecclesial tradition)....

....In short, Roman Catholic apologists have hurriedly, carelessly—and, as a result, irresponsibly—glanced at Barrett’s work, found a large number (22,189), and arrived at all sorts of absurdities that Barrett never concluded. One can only hope that, upon reading this critique, Roman Catholic apologists will finally put this argument to bed. The more likely scenario, however, is that the death of this argument will come about only when Evangelicals consistently point out this error—and correct it—each time it is raised by a Roman Catholic apologist. Sooner or later they will grow weary of the embarrassment that accompanies citing erroneous figures in a public forum.
-- from the thread 30,000 Protestant Denominations?


81 posted on 04/28/2013 6:37:59 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: metmom

Why are you not answering a simple question?

Do you agree with these quotes?

“All of the Lent and Easter abomination is pagan and God clearly condemned it in scripture.”

“God doesn’t smile down on people who celebrate Easter.”


82 posted on 04/28/2013 6:44:32 PM PDT by narses
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To: editor-surveyor

Yes, God gave creation to all, including Catholics.

No, Catholics do not bow down to idols. Do you honor your mother and father? Do you bow down to them? We honor the people the statues represent.

Yes, the story of the birth of Jesus is true. But yes, Jesus was there from the beginning in Genesis, too. A great mystery — isn’t it.

BTW, where do you get your strange Catholic ideas?


83 posted on 04/28/2013 6:45:04 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Salvation; editor-surveyor
BTW, where do you get your strange Catholic ideas?

That's a good question. Where did you get yours?

84 posted on 04/28/2013 6:47:47 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("If you are not firm in faith, you will not be firm at all" - Isaiah 7:9)
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To: narses
>> Your words mark you CB.<<

I most certainly hope they do. I’m so thankful to you for continually bringing that from thread to thread. It gives me the opportunity to continue to expose the pagan influences into the RCC. The beginning of the pagan Easter observance began with Semiramis and her son Tamuz you know. Weeping for Tamuz is even mentioned in scripture. You should look up the pagan “queen of heaven” Semiramis and her son Tamuz sometime. Tamuz was killed by a wild hog you know. That’s why Semiramis dictated that the preserved meat of a hog should be consumed each spring equinox. Interesting isn’t it? Ever have the traditional ham on Easter? Ever wonder why the RCC uses the sunburst so much? Check out Baal and the sun god.

85 posted on 04/28/2013 6:58:51 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: metmom

I love the Word of God,I hope someday you also come to love the entire Word of God and not merely the new testament.


86 posted on 04/28/2013 6:59:12 PM PDT by Craftmore
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To: Craftmore; metmom
>>not merely the new testament.<<

You mean something like this from the Old Testament?

Deuteronomy 12:30 Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise. 31 Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods

Care to guess how much of the RCC symbols, rituals, garments, and feast days come from pagan religion?

Or something like this?

"Your appointed feasts My soul hates" (Isaiah 1:14–15)

"I hate, I despise your feast days, and I do not savor your sacred assemblies" (Amos 5:21–23)

87 posted on 04/28/2013 7:06:30 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear

yep,which is why I strongly disagree with RCC worship of Mary and the saints.


88 posted on 04/28/2013 7:18:46 PM PDT by Craftmore
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To: CynicalBear

89 posted on 04/28/2013 7:21:06 PM PDT by narses
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To: narses

Cross threading and now making it personal? Hmm!


90 posted on 04/28/2013 7:30:19 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear

“I’m so thankful to you for continually bringing that from thread to thread.”

At your persistant request.


91 posted on 04/28/2013 7:38:38 PM PDT by narses
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To: markomalley

My first response to this news was simply, by definition “they aren’t Catholic.” Period.

They may be protestants, but they aren’t Protestant. I would be very sad to learn that the RCC would be interested in ecumenical ties with the UCC.

So, Mark, please don’t tie the little “p” reprobates with the big “P” churches.

I’m not a Catholic, but I agree with you that the Bishops should respond firmly and clearly that this was not a Catholic exercise and is completely meaningless.


92 posted on 04/28/2013 7:45:31 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: metmom

Amen!


93 posted on 04/28/2013 7:49:50 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: Alex Murphy

I have my sources, the Bible, Holy Tradition, the Catechism — lots of reading about the lives of the saints.

And yours?


94 posted on 04/28/2013 9:28:02 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: narses

“All of the Lent and Easter abomination is pagan and God clearly condemned it in scripture.”

“God doesn’t smile down on people who celebrate Easter.”

They would make awesome new tag lines, anyhow.

Freegards


95 posted on 04/28/2013 9:30:18 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Salvation; editor-surveyor
No, Catholics do not bow down to idols. Do you honor your mother and father? Do you bow down to them? We honor the people the statues represent.

Honoring is one thing. Respect is one thing.

Bowing down to statues, praying to them and burning incense to them is another thing entirely.

Unless someone has been brainwashed into believing that they are the same thing.

Exodus 20:4-6 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 5 You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.

Pope breaking this commandment....


96 posted on 04/28/2013 9:38:06 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Craftmore

I think you misconstrued what I was saying.


97 posted on 04/28/2013 9:40:55 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: CynicalBear; Craftmore

In post 57 Cm was called a pervert apparently for believing the Word of God.

I think he’s on our side with this.


98 posted on 04/28/2013 9:43:43 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom
Are you not aware that the Commandments are worded differently and grouped differently in the Catholic Bible vs. the KJV? (or other bibles used by non-Catholics

And tell me, please, how do you know what is on the Pope's heart? Are you now a mind-reader?

99 posted on 04/28/2013 9:43:45 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: metmom

I have NEVER heard of anyone burning incense to a statue!! LOL! What a mistaken belief, you have there, dear metmom.


100 posted on 04/28/2013 9:45:10 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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