Posted on 04/29/2013 7:09:21 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
Could you clarify this statement.....are you talking about Henry VIII?
Thanks!
Pretending everything is A-okay while men’s souls are consigned to eternal hell is not being a “Christian example.”
Yes, I made a joke, but the truth is I have tremendous concern for the souls of men. I have a great number of my own family who are Roman Catholic and I worry for them. I have spent years studying Catholicism. The more I know, the more my fear for their souls grows. Instead of questioning my Christian virtue perhaps you would be wise to ask me why I believe as I do.
So Jesus Christ, in designating Peter the first Pope, created the Antichrist?
An interesting concept.
One which I’ll leave unexplored.
Good observations, If you are of the vine your church will prosper, if you are separated you will wither.
You’ve bought the lie.
What’s the lie?
The Papacy’s claim to have the authority of the Apostle Peter.
I beg you to watch the testimony of a former longtime priest:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AvID3lRyYIc&feature=relmfu
Hmmm... Yes, him too.
Can't really disagree with what you wrote. It tracks with what I was taught going through confirmation class at age 12 in the Protestant Episcopal Church of the United States in 1967. I would add just a few comments ...
1. John Wycliffe, 1330 – 1384, was an English Scholastic philosopher, theologian, lay preacher, translator, reformer and university teacher at Oxford in England, who was known as an early dissident in the Roman Catholic Church during the 14th century. His followers were known as Lollards, a somewhat rebellious movement, which preached anticlerical and biblically-centred reforms. The Lollard movement was a precursor to the Protestant Reformation, and for this reason, Wycliffe is sometimes called "The Morning Star of the Reformation". He was one of the earliest opponents of papal authority influencing secular power. Wycliffe was also an early advocate for translation of the Bible into the common language. He completed his translation directly from the Vulgate into vernacular English in the year 1382, now known as Wycliffe's Bible. It is probable that he personally translated the Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John; and it is possible he translated the entire New Testament, while his associates translated the Old Testament.
2. The Reformation movement had already arrived on the shores of England by Henry VIII's time and Protestants had already worked their way into the ranks of his advisors. So, they mutually benefitted from his adultery - not the most auspicious way to start a church, but life is like that.
3. Thomas Cranmer, 1489 – 1556) was a leader of the English Reformation and Archbishop of Canterbury during the reigns of Henry VIII, Edward VI and, for a short time, Mary I. He helped build a favourable case for Henry's divorce from Catherine of Aragon which resulted in the separation of the English Church from union with the Holy See. Along with Thomas Cromwell, he supported the principle of Royal Supremacy, in which the king was considered sovereign over the Church within his realm. When Edward came to the throne, Cranmer was able to promote major reforms. He wrote and compiled the first two editions of the Book of Common Prayer, a complete liturgy for the English Church. With the assistance of several Continental reformers to whom he gave refuge, he developed new doctrinal standards in areas such as the Eucharist, clerical celibacy, the role of images in places of worship, and the veneration of saints. Cranmer promulgated the new doctrines through the Prayer Book, the Homilies and other publications. After the accession of the Roman Catholic Mary I, Cranmer was put on trial for treason and heresy. Imprisoned for over two years and under pressure from Church authorities, he made several recantations and apparently reconciled himself with the Roman Catholic Church. However, on the day of his execution (burned at the stake), he withdrew his recantations, to die a heretic to Roman Catholics and a martyr for the principles of the English Reformation.
4. Mary I, 1516 – 1558) was Queen of England and Ireland from July 1553 until her death. Her brutal persecution of Protestants caused her opponents to give her the sobriquet "Bloody Mary". She was the only child born of the ill-fated marriage of Henry VIII and his first wife Catherine of Aragon who survived to adulthood. Her younger half-brother, Edward VI, succeeded Henry in 1547. When Edward became mortally ill in 1553, he attempted to remove Mary from the line of succession because of religious differences. On his death, their cousin Lady Jane Grey was at first proclaimed queen. Mary assembled a force in East Anglia and successfully deposed Jane, who was ultimately beheaded. In 1554, Mary married Philip of Spain, becoming queen consort of Habsburg Spain on his accession in 1556. As the fourth crowned monarch of the Tudor dynasty, Mary is remembered for her restoration of Roman Catholicism after the short-lived Protestant reign of her half-brother. During her five-year reign, she had over 280 religious dissenters burned at the stake in the Marian Persecutions. Her re-establishment of Roman Catholicism was reversed after her death in 1558 by her younger half-sister and successor, Elizabeth I.
5. So, remind me how the Holy See decided that priests could not marry and have families and property?
6. So, remind me about that little episode of Johann Tetzel and indulgences ... and St. Peter's Basilica?
7. Matthew 7:3-5 3 “Why do you look at the speck of sawdust in your brother’s eye and pay no attention to the plank in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when all the time there is a plank in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.
8. The current Church of England is a ghost of a church, and not very holy at that. Yes, it is the national church which means it receives taxpayer support. The U.K. is truly a post-Christian nation today. The recently retired Archbishop of Cnaterbury, Rowan, the "Rune-Druid-Ruin", Williams, pretty much wrecked the world-wide Anglican Communion with his inclusiveness of active homosexuals in all things Anglican.
A request which had never been refused a reigning monarch before, with France and Spain in the wings.
Not really that simple, after all.
Source please. I had not heard that 1. I had heard ...
The King James Bible is the most popular Bible of all time, and arguably the most important English language document of all time. It is the brainchild and namesake of King James I, who wanted an English language Bible that all could own and read. The KJV, as it is called, has been in print for over 400 years and has brought more people to Christ than any other Bible translation. Commonly known to biographers but often surprising to most Christians, King James I was a well-known bisexual. Though he did marry a woman, his many gay relationships were so well-known that amongst some of his friends and court, he was known as "Queen James."
Bottom line: The Church of England was created to be an instrument of the state, and more specifically, the monarch. It was meant to increase the power of the monarch and decrease the power of Rome. It was not borne out of reform. It was meant to strengthen the state.
Just crossing "t's" and dotting "i's" ...
United Methodist Church (UMC)
Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA)
Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) (PCUSA)
Episcopal Church (TEC)
American Baptist Churches
United Church of Christ (UCC)
Disciples of Christ(DoC/The Christian Church)
Reformed Church in America
Just to be complete, the Presbyterians and Lutherans have other, more othodox, denominations which strongly disagree with the homoheresy. And yes, it does appear that the UMC is destined for schism.
My wife and I attended a memorial service for a relative by marriage of hers, who happened to have been a German war bride. The service was in the lady’s Episcopal church in a small town in north Texas. We are nominally Presbyterians who are currently delinquent due to the Presbyterian default into liberalism (in our view). At the invitation, we went to the rail, knelt and took Communion. My wife’s southern Baptist sister and Brother-in-law kept their seats. I guess this was a sort of shaky venture in ecumenical practice. I felt better about it, anyway.
That’s it. When you ignore scripture that it is an abomination to God, and that is His strongest word useage in the Bible, then expect bad things to happen to you. All these people who keep ignoring the Bible and ignoring what God says can run their fat mouths all day long, but in the end, they are going to pay for it. It will be the Lake of Fire for every one of them. Their choice. God gives us all the right of making those choices. Make the wrong ones at your peril.
I recently joined the Evangelical Methodist Church. God-centered and conservative!
You made a nasty joke on a board filled with Catholics who believe our Church is the unbroken Church founded by Christ. If you care so much for souls try prayer instead of snarky comments.
Also, considering the fact that a Christian world-view is under attack from secularists, don’t you think it might be better to foster community among all Christians, especially those who believe in scriptural teachings and throwing them away in the face of worldly pressures?
Short answer, YES. The BCP was originally written by Thomas Cranmer in 1549. It has gone through several revisions over the centuries. I grew up with the 1928 edition. The 1979 edition really shook folks up. Since the mid-1960's, it has all been down hill for TEC. Some observers predict a merger of several of the mainline Protestant churches over the next 25 years. You can already see "communions" forming between some of them.
Since I can’t edit posts: I think when Christians throw rocks at each other the devil laughing somewhere.
I am not Catholic, but you have my full support. I was so hoping those remarks would go unanswered. I am tired of seeing my brothers and sisters in the Catholic church treated like this. We would have nothing if not for you and the way you go, is the fate of us all.
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