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10 Reasons Why It's Hard to Become Catholic
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| May 6, 2013
| Taylor Marshall
Posted on 05/06/2013 6:31:14 PM PDT by NYer
Is it difficult to become Catholic?
I don't often disclose personal thoughts on this blog, but I feel that this is something that might be helpful for folks on both sides of the Tiber: Ten Reasons why it's hard to become Catholic.
I have spoken to somewhere between 50-100 Protestant ministers who have become Catholic or are contemplating entry into full communion with the Catholic Church. Most of these are Anglican or Presbyterian. A few have been Lutheran.
Over the last several years, I've gathered up the "big ten" that either cause pain or lead to a man saying "No thanks," to the Catholic Church.
#10 Theological Submission
It's difficult to say serviam ("I will serve"). Theology is no longer "what I think". It requires a submission of the mind. At the same time, this a liberation of the mind. Still, it is difficult to tell oneself: "I don't fully understand the Treasury of Merit, but I will submit my reason to the reason of the Church."
#9 Priests
Catholic priests are not like Protestant ministers. Relatively speaking, they are more distant than Protestant clergy, albeit for good reasons sometimes. A Protestant has the experience of a minister smiling whenever he sees you, memorizing your name, and generally going out of his way to make a personal connection. This rarely happens in Catholicism. I admit it - it wounds my pride a little. I wish that I were greeted and hailed by the pastor after Mass. It's humbling to be part of the masses at Mass.
Protestant ministers usually have smaller congregations and more competition with one another. Hence, the minister is much more likely to say, "Hey, let's go to Starbucks this week and talk about your faith."
Of course, I know dozens of Catholic priests who do reach out on a personal level, but for the most part, Catholic priests are stretched out more thinly. Consequently, personal access is more rare. And to be honest, I'm glad to know that my priests are hearing confessions and going to the hospital all the time. That's a much better use of their time than drinking expensive coffee with me.
#8 Liturgy
I am beginning to think that there is nothing as controversial in the Catholic Church as liturgy. It is at the center of everything.
I like clean, tight liturgies. Altar boys turning on a dime and making a 90 degree right angle around the altar. Latin. Gregorian chant. Synchronized genuflections. Defined signs of the crosses. Corporal folded the proper way (up not down!) You may have guessed it. I attend the Extraordinary Form of the Mass.
However, it's not like that everywhere. There are some wonderful liturgies and some not-so-wonderful liturgies. Sometimes, potential converts walk in to a not-so-wonderful liturgy with broken rubrics and oddities. It's difficult for many - especially if they are coming from a more liturgical form of Protestantism. I don't know the best answer to this problem. All I know that it is a problem.
My suggested solution is the "Great Catholic Migration of the 21th Century."
Click here to read more about "the great migration."
#7 Dealing with marriage, divorce, homosexuality, contraception, abortion
Some people have irregular marriages, live homosexual lifestyles, or enjoy the comforts of contraception. It's painful to allow your divorce and re-marriage to be examined by the bishop's tribunal. It's embarrassing to talk about a 'lifestyle.' It's not easy to imagine having a minivan overflowing with car seats or to rethink the vasectomy.
For some, they have to revisit an abortion that occurred decades ago. These sort of things cut deep to the heart and make us squirm. All this is understandable and I think that these things should be addressed with caution and compassion. If you're a potential convert, pray for and seek out a good priest with whom you can speak confidentially.
I'll also add from personal experience, the healing a good confession is about 100 times more powerful than any of the shame or fear associated with past problems. I think others here would agree.
(Please leave a comment below to testify to this reality so others might be assured.)
#6 Financial discomforts
If you're a clergyman you stand to lose your great pension, great health benefits, discretionary fund, and your salary. I've been there and it's tough. It's likely that you haven't been trained to do anything else that is marketable. I doubt that anyone out there will pay you six figures to write sermons for them or lead a small-group Bible study. It goes without saying that most ministers take a major pay cut when they become Catholic. Their family income goes down. They usually start having more kids. Also, they usually start paying for parochial education - another hit to the pocketbook.
#5 Vocational confusion
It was difficult at first to admit that my Anglican priesthood was invalid. I wasn't a priest long, but I heard confessions, anointed the dying, etc. What was I doing? What was God doing? Why did God let me function sacramentally with people who were deeply hurting. I still don't know how to "classify" those ministerial acts.
I think other would-be converts struggle with the same ideas. Even if they were laymen, they wonder about their past roles as Sunday school teachers, mentors, Bible study leaders, counselors, etc.
#4 Non-Catholic ridicule and estrangement
Family and friends do not understand. Even when they try to understand, they will never appreciate the frustrations, study, and heart-searching that goes into becoming Catholic. Some Anglicans still call me "Father", which makes me feel uncomfortable. Others have written terrible things about me. I've never been more greatly attacked for anything else in my life.
Tension often arises with parents and siblings. I've even heard of converts who were cut out of the inheritance because they became "Roman".
#3 Catholic ridicule and estrangement
This may seem odd, but some Catholics are suspicious of converts to Catholicism. These come in two forms. Type A is the cradle-Catholic who has all their ducks in a row and suspects the convert of being a crypto-Protestant unschooled in the ways of being Catholic. If the new Catholic prays extemporaneously, then it's "We don't do that." If the convert quotes Scripture about something, they frown upon this, too.
Some Catholics also seem to think that it is helpful to ridicule my past as a non-Catholic, as if that would somehow validate me as now "one of them." Some Catholics just love to hear converts bash their former faith. This places converts in a strange position.
Type B is the cradle-Catholic who is less committed to the distinctives of the Catholic faith. They see zealous converts as a threat. These converts are overly-concerned with dogma and truth. And this leads us to obstruction number two...
#2 RCIA (Rite for Christian Initiation of Adults)
RCIA must have been invented so that every conversion to the Catholic Church might somehow be miraculous. It is becoming an element of Catholic lore that RCIA is commonly led or organized by someone who is a "type B" Catholic as described above. These people don't seem to understand how zealous these converts can be. These leaders stress the "feelings" part of Catholicism and not the "orthodoxy" part of Catholicism much to the chagrin of the converts who have had it up to their ears in Protestant appeals to their feelings.
It's amazing how many people "give up" in RCIA. It's also amazing how many push on through. I know many who have had wonderful RCIA experiences, but I know many more who had to defend the Catholic faith while taking RCIA.
Just so I don't step on any toes, I salute and applaud all the great RCIA teachers out there. I know that you're out there and we are thankful for you! Keep up the great work.
#1 Pride
I don't know how to say this in a witty way, but pride holds the number one slot. At one point in life I felt that I was too good for all those people who respected the Infant of Prague. I'm ashamed to admit, but there it is. Why join a religion where adherents air brush images of Our Lady of Guadalupe on the hoods of their lowriders? (I grew up in Texas...) One Protestant gentlemen even told me that he couldn't be Catholic because it was "the religion of the masses." I asked him what he meant, and the term "Mexicans" was employed in his reply.
It's snobbery against the religion of the masses and immigrants.
It's just cooler to go to an Evangelical mega-church that has a pool, basketball gym, powerpoint presentations, podcasts, and a rocking "praise team." I sometimes wish that our homilies had really cool cultural references in them or solidly crafted "gotcha" endings. Alas, this is not typical of the parochial homily.
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To: bramps; NYer; ArrogantBustard
Actually, it's an incomplete excerpt, the full form is May our Lord Jesus Christ absolve you; and by His authority I absolve you from every bond of excommunication (suspension) and interdict, so far as my power allows and your needs require. [making the Sign of the Cross:] Thereupon, I absolve you from your sins in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Amen.
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posted on
05/07/2013 12:15:52 AM PDT
by
Cronos
(Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
To: ansel12
They are all forms of Christianity. That is their claim. You would be hard pressed to find a Jehovah's Witnesses or Mormon that denied their Christianity. They proclaim a different interpretation of Christianity.
Next to Catholicism, Lutherans, Evangelicals, Quakers, Shakers, Calvinists, Presbyterian, Congregationalist, Methodists....etc.., etc..., etc.
Every one is predated by the Catholic Church's Eastern and Western Rites by over 1,500 years. All forms of Christianity outside of the Catholic Churches are ‘new’. Some are just newer than others. Lutherans predate Mormons by less than three hundred years.
Of Course next to Judaism Christianity is a ‘new’ religion.
As for truly new Churches, Scientology would count. It is not a Christian Tradition in the least.
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posted on
05/07/2013 12:23:10 AM PDT
by
Jim from C-Town
(The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
To: OneWingedShark; Jim from C-Town
Or can you see the underlying unity on pI'm sorry, but I can't see the underlying unity between Unitarians, Baptists, Episcopalians, Pentecostalists, Methodists, Lutherans etc.
Lutherans believe in the True Presence of Christ in the Eucharist and Baptists don't -- while Unitarians, well....
Also, many Baptists say they are not Protestants
The unity specifically holds to Trinitarian Churches
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posted on
05/07/2013 12:31:37 AM PDT
by
Cronos
(Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
To: Clint N. Suhks
Some Anglicans do. Having been one. However it is not praying TO Mary, it is asking Mary the mother of God to pray for YOU, as in the intercession of saints.
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posted on
05/07/2013 12:33:25 AM PDT
by
tinamina
To: Cronos
Exactly my point. If they where unified, they wouldn’t be Protestants. What would they be protesting?
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posted on
05/07/2013 1:06:57 AM PDT
by
Jim from C-Town
(The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
To: Jim from C-Town
All Christian denominations agree that Mormonism is a different religion, not Christian.
The Catholics do not accept Mormonism as Christian.
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posted on
05/07/2013 2:00:18 AM PDT
by
ansel12
(Sodom and Gomorrah, flush with libertarians and liberals, short on social conservatives.)
To: Jim from C-Town; Colofornian
By the way, Mormons claim that they are the only true Christian faith, that there was a void between the time of Christ and the return of the one true universal church.
Colofornian can fill you in on that kind of thing.
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posted on
05/07/2013 2:04:01 AM PDT
by
ansel12
(Sodom and Gomorrah, flush with libertarians and liberals, short on social conservatives.)
To: OneWingedShark
2 - the praying to anglesWhat do you have against geometry?
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posted on
05/07/2013 2:47:23 AM PDT
by
verga
(A nation divided by Zero!)
To: verga
What do you have against geometry? LOL...everyone hates geometry!
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posted on
05/07/2013 3:06:37 AM PDT
by
who knows what evil?
(G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
To: NYer
On number 9, I am a good friend of a RC priest. What helps is that at this time of year, we each are into MLB, and with the Red Soxs doing much, much better, at least we can talk about baseball.
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posted on
05/07/2013 3:10:49 AM PDT
by
Biggirl
("Jesus talked to us as individuals"-Jim Vicevich/Thanks JimV!)
To: ArrogantBustard
Presumably he knows nothing of the East. ;)
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posted on
05/07/2013 4:14:05 AM PDT
by
JCBreckenridge
(Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
To: bramps
With Christ all things are possible. Without him, nothing is. :)
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posted on
05/07/2013 4:16:16 AM PDT
by
JCBreckenridge
(Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
To: ansel12
Sounds just like Luther’s followers.
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posted on
05/07/2013 4:17:16 AM PDT
by
JCBreckenridge
(Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
To: Cronos
“Those from a non-Jewish background would probably not even read the Old Testament”
Hrm! Dear Chronos - they would have had access to the Septuagint in the early days.
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posted on
05/07/2013 4:19:13 AM PDT
by
JCBreckenridge
(Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
To: Theo
May you spend your time learning how to be a true Christian
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posted on
05/07/2013 4:20:16 AM PDT
by
yldstrk
(My heroes have always been cowboys)
To: OneWingedShark
“Or can you see the underlying unity on protestant churches?”
I was a protestant! Two different kinds! No - there is less unity among protestants than between some Protestants and the Church.
I remember feeling closer to the Church than I ever did to many kinds of Protestant when I was a Mennnonite. Even to my old church (Episcopalian).
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posted on
05/07/2013 4:21:52 AM PDT
by
JCBreckenridge
(Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
To: bramps
No a priest of the one true God
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posted on
05/07/2013 4:22:45 AM PDT
by
yldstrk
(My heroes have always been cowboys)
To: JCBreckenridge; OneWingedShark; ArrogantBustard
let me elaborate on
Those from a non-Jewish background would probably not even read the Old Testament (I'm talking of ordinary believers) or would know it in fragments from other people We know of Marcion and know that the Gentiles converted to Christianity and there was a big to-do about Judaizing. Most gentiles were drawn in by the story and teachings of Christ and didn't focus in my opinion, too much on the OT. i do not include the leaders and some learned folks, but many of the early Christians were simple believers who simply believed
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posted on
05/07/2013 4:56:24 AM PDT
by
Cronos
(Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
To: ansel12; Jim from C-Town
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posted on
05/07/2013 5:44:44 AM PDT
by
Cronos
(Latin presbuteros->Late Latin presbyter->Old English pruos->Middle Engl prest->priest)
To: Cronos
Marcion isn’t ‘early Christianity’, fwiw. Marcion was firmly second, and not first century. Marcion really didn’t have that much to do with the OT - he did argue for a Canon for the NT.
The big to-do was over circumcision. That was around 50 or so - not in 150, which is when Marcion was around.
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posted on
05/07/2013 5:51:45 AM PDT
by
JCBreckenridge
(Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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