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To: MarkBsnr
>> The traditional Church view is 'first among equals'. <<

Yes, the traditional ORTHODOX Church view.

The concept that the successor to Peter has special authority ABOVE all other bishops predates even the 1054 schism. It has nothing to do with the doctrine of Papal infallibility that was established at Vatican I. You can find the doctrine on papal primacy going back to the time of Pope Leo the Great and earlier. Pope Damasus I (366-384) and other figures claimed universal jurisdiction over the whole church. If you want to believe in the Orthodox teachings that the bishop of Rome is merely granted an honorary position of "first among equals" and has no special authority over others, you're entitled to that belief. But no matter how much you claim it's Catholic doctrine, your beliefs are in sync with the Orthodox Church. Pope Francis would never claim he's "first among equals" and has no more power than the bishop of Milan.

Garry Wills makes a similar argument as you. He says he's a good Catholic and prays the rosary every day, yet he insists that priests have no power to consecrate the eucharist and we can all interpret scripture as we wish. He says this is the "traditional church view". It certainly is the traditional Protestant church view, but it is NOT the Catholic Church's view no matter how much he claims otherwise.

28 posted on 05/11/2013 3:52:27 PM PDT by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: BillyBoy
The concept that the successor to Peter has special authority ABOVE all other bishops predates even the 1054 schism. It has nothing to do with the doctrine of Papal infallibility that was established at Vatican I. You can find the doctrine on papal primacy going back to the time of Pope Leo the Great and earlier. Pope Damasus I (366-384) and other figures claimed universal jurisdiction over the whole church. If you want to believe in the Orthodox teachings that the bishop of Rome is merely granted an honorary position of "first among equals" and has no special authority over others, you're entitled to that belief. But no matter how much you claim it's Catholic doctrine, your beliefs are in sync with the Orthodox Church. Pope Francis would never claim he's "first among equals" and has no more power than the bishop of Milan.

I did not say 'honourary'. Do not attribute that to me. Do not tell me about Pope Francis' claim about himself since you obvious don't know it, and don't tell me that I believe that he has no more power (however you mean it) than the bishop of Milan. One who claims what you have claimed merely seems foolish.

Garry Wills makes a similar argument as you. He says he's a good Catholic and prays the rosary every day, yet he insists that priests have no power to consecrate the eucharist and we can all interpret scripture as we wish. He says this is the "traditional church view". It certainly is the traditional Protestant church view, but it is NOT the Catholic Church's view no matter how much he claims otherwise.

Do not accuse me, even indirectly about the role of priests in the Eucharist, of having a belief anywhere near what you have posted. I am in the process of putting together an intermediate school religious ed program (over 3 years) that is based entirely on the Catechism. And the Biblical quotes that it is based on.

Do not lump me in with Wiccan Gaia worshipping lesbian nuns on a bus, or Marxist socialist rabble rousing 60s priests. Tell you what: read the Catechism and then get back to me about the Catholic faith. Until then, do not lecture or accuse about what you do not know.

33 posted on 05/13/2013 2:38:54 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)
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