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Abby Johnson: I Am No Better Than Kermit Gosnell, Pray for Him
Life News ^ | Abby Johnson

Posted on 05/14/2013 4:33:19 PM PDT by Morgana

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To: HarleyD
Luke 5:
29 Then Levi held a great banquet for Jesus at his house, and a large crowd of tax collectors and others were eating with them. 30 But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law who belonged to their sect complained to his disciples, “Why do you eat and drink with tax collectors and sinners?” 31 Jesus answered them, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. 32 I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”

Luke 15:
3 Then Jesus told them this parable: 4 “Suppose one of you has a hundred sheep and loses one of them. Doesn’t he leave the ninety-nine in the open country and go after the lost sheep until he finds it? 5 And when he finds it, he joyfully puts it on his shoulders 6 and goes home. Then he calls his friends and neighbors together and says, ‘Rejoice with me; I have found my lost sheep.’ 7 I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent.

Romans 2:
You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. 2 Now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. 3 So when you, a mere human being, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment? 4 Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance?

If you want to set yourself up as a judge of other men, that's your business. I don't recommend it. Yes, he has committed horrible crimes, and horrible sins. But I am a sinner, too. Yes, he must pay for his crimes in this life. But I pray for his repentance ... however unlikely I may think it.

41 posted on 05/14/2013 5:59:13 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: annalex

You’re arguing the merits (or rather the reverse) of the death penalty which is a non-issue to me. I think that God knows the heart like he does the hairs on your head, and time is not what is needed for redemption. I tend to think it’s more cruel to keep a person locked up for the rest of his life, which we do to murderers but not innocent babies, to further point out that the death penalty and abortion are not equal arguments. But as I said, it’s a non-issue to me. I see no justice or injustice in it.


42 posted on 05/14/2013 6:02:17 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: Telepathic Intruder
time is not what is needed for redemption

Time is needed for repentance, and repentance is needed for redemption. Yes, this is an argument against the death penalty in general, provided that the guilty party can be incarcerated securely.

Forgiveness is individual; some might find it in their hearts to forgive without repentance, others won't. We should strive for it, but that has nothing to do with the operation of civil justice.

43 posted on 05/14/2013 6:09:47 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Morgana

I do not think Gosnell can be saved. I certainly can’t say that with total confidence but I am pretty sure of it.

If a person continues to sin, in this case sin horribly, eventually their conscience becomes seared. They basically no longer have a conscience.

While Christ is always faithful to forgive if we repent, determine to do better and ask Christ to save us, some will never do that because they have just become too evil.


44 posted on 05/14/2013 6:12:32 PM PDT by yarddog (Truth, Justice, and what was once the American Way.)
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To: Morgana

in america, as she said, women decide if a child lives or dies. not men. she doesn’t shove the blame off on “men”. if the woman wants the child, or doesn’t - a man can’t stop her either way. he has no legal ability to either way. it all rests on her choice. “choice” is non-existent for the man.

this whole mess is just sickening. hopefully as this is shown - the whole gosnell mess - to be the norm of the abortion industry, not rare exceptions, we will be able to dismantle much of the abortion industry in america.

it is the norm. it is not rare. the people doing abortions are scum, their conditions are filthy, they murder babies, and it’s time anyone working for them that still has a working conscience, gets some courage and takes them down, if for no other reason but for the safety of other women. for the truth, so they can look at themselves in the mirror, again, without self-disgust.


45 posted on 05/14/2013 6:15:34 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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To: Morgana
Did I slit the necks of children after they were born? No. But, I was an accomplice to murder. Thousands of times

Ridiculous snd unnecessary article. There is absolutely no comparison to what Ms. Johnson did as an abortion clinic worker, and what Dr. Kermit Mengele did - the cold-blooded murders of living children outside the womb with his own hands.

46 posted on 05/14/2013 6:15:52 PM PDT by montag813
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To: annalex

Well, there is a little bit of time between the final sentence and the cold needle (way too much time by some opinions). If a person can’t repent in that time, they might never. I see what you mean, however.


47 posted on 05/14/2013 6:18:25 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

God can wait. The father of the Prodigal Son waited.


48 posted on 05/14/2013 6:21:59 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: annalex

The nature of time is an interesting concept to me. I could go way off topic with that but I’ll spare you and everyone else. Suffice it to repeat the contextual point is a non-issue. Admittedly, because I’m unable to decide.


49 posted on 05/14/2013 6:31:21 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: marron

Well said!


50 posted on 05/14/2013 6:31:31 PM PDT by Guenevere (....)
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To: Telepathic Intruder
The nature of time is an interesting concept to me

And to me.

I am curious to know your thoughts, but I am done freeping for today. I can be back tomorrow.

51 posted on 05/14/2013 6:36:40 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
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To: OneBob

“Just curious,,,,so are you saying that there is NO CHANCE she goes to heaven?”

I believe the afterlife is an infinite spectrum of experience ranging from (perhaps) your concept of hell to heaven. I have no idea where the author might land, but I think she’ll be able to experience the considerable pain she caused to her innocent and completely dependent children while there.


52 posted on 05/14/2013 6:51:01 PM PDT by Flightdeck (IMPEACH and CONVICT)
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To: annalex
I am curious to know your thoughts

You chose your own doom then. Just kidding, there are two sides of this. Religious dogma, not to use the term disparagingly, says there is no time in heaven. So does it all happen at once, or does the same moment go on forever? Or both at the same time?

And this blends into relativity theory. Time and space are inseparable, so there is no space in heaven either. But going even deeper into special relativity, Einstein said everything goes the speed of light. That is, either the speed of light through space or the speed of light through time. Most people tend to scoff when I say "speed of light through time", but those are Einsteins words, and it's always a bad idea to doubt what he says.

Here's his point, which took me a little time to grasp. As you may know, the speed of light is always the same, regardless of the speed of the observer. The speed of light through time or space can be represented by a right triangle. One axis is the speed of light through time, the other is through space. The hypotenuse, however, represents the speed of light itself, never changing. So the x and y axis change accordingly, but the hypotenuse is always the same. When stationary, an object goes the full speed of light through time, which is 1 second per second. At near the speed of light through space, however, time almost stops. The length of its axis nears zero.

I'm being way too esoteric and just went completely off topic, but as I said it's interesting to me.
53 posted on 05/14/2013 6:55:43 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

It is interesting to me too. I used to think that the prophets were just predicting things which were already set to happen. Reading some of the New Testament I get the idea that God had them predict what would happen then he made it happen.

I have never really understood Einstein except generally. I do got the impression that he was seeking the one explanation which would explain everything. I guess it is another was of saying God but he must have been looking for a physical explanation.

I sometimes wonder if time may be like a movie. Instead of 32 frames per second, the Universe is composed of trillions of frames per second or even more. Someone who could control any or many frames could do about anything.


54 posted on 05/14/2013 7:06:15 PM PDT by yarddog (Truth, Justice, and what was once the American Way.)
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To: yarddog

Einstein was an expert in his particular field. Predicting the future itself represents a sort of time travel which no scientist will seriously say is possible. What is impossible for a man, however, is what? Possible for God. That is how a rich man is able to go through the eye of a needle to reach heaven. Time travel is another interesting subject, which although I believe to be impossible (at least for us) I possess way too much information.


55 posted on 05/14/2013 7:29:37 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Beautiful. Pax tecum.


56 posted on 05/14/2013 7:41:22 PM PDT by HoosierDammit (St. Vincent de Paul, pray for us!)
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To: Morgana
Well, I'm confused. She open with the assertion that she is "vehemently against the death penalty", but she goes on to say that she has not only killed two of her own children (to preserve her lifestyle) but was an accomplice in thousands of other deaths. Am I the only one that sees the disconnect?

I think this is one of those confused people that I simply won't pay any attention to. One day she will meet God and I'll let them hash it out.

57 posted on 05/14/2013 7:54:33 PM PDT by Wingy
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To: Morgana

I pray that mass murdering psychopath burns in hell for all eternity and I have no doubt he will.


58 posted on 05/14/2013 9:57:09 PM PDT by Tolkien (Grace is the Essence of the Gospel; Gratitude is the Essence of Ethics.)
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To: SgtHooper
Best post. Forgiveness does not mean that the person is absolved of all the penalties. They still pay the price.

Jesus already paid the price...In full...

59 posted on 05/14/2013 10:48:41 PM PDT by Iscool
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To: don-o
Cite source on that. (I do not believe there is one)

I believe this was written to provide us with an example:

Luk 18:10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
Luk 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
Luk 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.

Luk 18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
Luk 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

60 posted on 05/14/2013 10:55:25 PM PDT by Iscool
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