Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Abby Johnson: I Am No Better Than Kermit Gosnell, Pray for Him
Life News ^ | Abby Johnson

Posted on 05/14/2013 4:33:19 PM PDT by Morgana

I am vehemently against the death penalty. Now stay with me…this is not a post about my opinion regarding that. You can disagree or agree with me on that some other time. I did want to share a little bit about why I take the words of prolifers so seriously. I have heard so much vitriol spewed from the mouths of “Christian prolifers” since the Gosnell trial has concluded. I feel like I must address it.

When I was confirmed as a Catholic, I chose Mary Magdalene as my confirmation saint. I felt an immediate connection to her. She had sinned so much…and was forgiven in even greater amounts. She knew she didn’t deserve forgiveness…but she received it anyway. And because of this, she clung to Christ. She knew she was nothing without Him.

I have also done my fair share of sinning. And I have also been forgiven much more than I deserve. I abused and betrayed women in the worst possible way. I convinced them to kill their children. Did I slit the necks of children after they were born? No. But, I was an accomplice to murder. Thousands of times…women I knew, women I didn’t, my friends, even my family. I lied to people. I lied to women when they came to me for accurate information. I was among the worst sinners…those that help to take and destroy life. I am no better than Kermit Gosnell.

I took my own children’s lives…twice. Not because I was coerced. Not because I didn’t know better. But because I thought children would be an inconvenience to my lifestyle. I am responsible for their deaths…no one else.

So when someone talks about Gosnell and says things like, “murderers and people like him don’t deserve to breathe the same air as I do,” or “I hope he burns in hell,” it hurts a little. Because that was me. But I am still here…breathing that same air…and trying to spend my life righting my wrongs. And it’s not just me. I know they hurt others like me, as well. People who have left the abortion industry and will work every day to recover from their sins. People who are still in the industry and think they will be shunned by the pro-life movement…maybe they would reach out to us if they knew we would accept them. I am always terrified that clinic workers will see some of the words from prolifers. I have been told by several former workers that they will NEVER come forward with their stories because they are so scared of how they will be treated by us…by US…the supposed “Christian” movement. Their fears are real AND legitimate.

I know some will say, “but you repented, that is the difference.” But what if I hadn’t…not yet. What if I was still inside the abortion industry? What if I was still an accomplice to murder? What if it took me longer to realize the truth? Do I deserve to die? Are we saying repentance is about our timing? Certainly, it is not about us. It about God and His perfect timing.

Right now, I shouldn’t be in this movement. I should be the COO of the 4th largest revenue generating Planned Parenthood affiliate in the country. I should be overseeing the largest abortion facility in the Western Hemisphere. I should be making 6 times the amount of money that I make in the pro-life movement. But I’m not. Why? Because of forgiveness. Because of mercy. Because of grace. Because of God. And because of REAL pro-lifers. The people I turned to accepted me for me…baggage and all. They knew that I was a broken person, and they loved me anyway. They knew I needed significant healing, and they helped to provide it.

I remember one story in particular which always makes me tear up when I think about it. One of the ladies, Karen, that immediately befriended me after I left Planned Parenthood was asked a question by a reporter. He asked her, “So, what was Abby like before she became pro-life? I mean, how nasty was she?” Karen’s answer was so genuine, and so Christ-like. She simply said, “I don’t remember that person. She is a new creation in Christ. I won’t talk about her past, I only want to talk about her future.” Wow. What grace. What forgiveness. She could have really spilled the beans on me, but she chose not to. Why? Because she truly loved me…and she always had, even while I was working at Planned Parenthood. She always believed the best in me, always believed that my conversion would happen.

It was Christ who changed me. It was the merciful and compassionate words of His people. It was no condemnation. It was not prayers that I would burn in hell. It was not those who yelled and called me names. It was the words of people like Karen. Those who prayed that I would, one day, walk out of that clinic. Those who had constant faith…even when that faith was a struggle to have. I am here because of THEM and because of their Christ-like witness.

Don’t we want that for every abortion clinic worker and abortion provider? Don’t we want that for Kermit Gosnell? I smile every time I imagine his conversion. What a heavenly victory that will be! Can it happen? If you say no, then you do not know the God that I do. My God is in the business of miracles. And my God does not want anyone to suffer in hell. He wants ALL of his children to come to him…yes, even those of us “monsters” that are in or have been in the abortion industry.

Hate comes from hell. Mercy comes from Christ. When we have hate in our hearts, our spirits are damaged. Be careful with your words. Not only are you a living witness of Christ and His truth, but you could put your own soul at risk. “Anyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him.” 1 John 3:15 When we hate, we are no better than those who kill.

I am not the sweetest person. I’m not the one who catches all the flies with honey…sometimes I am all vinegar. What do you expect? You expect the most tender hearted to work in the abortion industry? Maybe we aren’t like all of you. Maybe we aren’t the most kind-hearted. Maybe you don’t understand how we could do what we have done. But those of us that leave…we are fighters. We are willing to take hits for our former sins. We are willing to stand up in places that are uncomfortable. We are willing to be bruised by others because we know that we have to…we know that will be the price we pay…it just hurts more when the bruises come from those who should be rejoicing in our repentance. We are passionate. We don’t waste time beating around the bush…not when it comes to life…especially the lives that we helped take.

Those of us that have worked in the industry all live our lives with a constant burden. One that will not be free from us until we reach heaven. We can’t let our burden slide off of our shoulders…it is what keeps us on fire. It reminds us of why we fight so hard. We have seen death and evil in a way that most haven’t…and we participated. We are forgiven.

So, should I be able to “breathe the same air as you?” That’s not really up to me to decide. But if you say things like that, know that a small piece of our heart is broken, and I have to believe that it grieves Christ. But even if you break our hearts, we forgive you. Even if you bruise us, we forgive you. He who has been forgiven much, loves much. And we love a lot. I am eagerly awaiting the day when I can call Kermit Gosnell a former and REPENTANT abortion provider.


TOPICS: Moral Issues; Prayer
KEYWORDS: abbyjohnson; abortion; gosnell; prolife
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-76 next last
She's right you know.

Pro dolorosa Eius passione, miserere nobis et toto mundo.

1 posted on 05/14/2013 4:33:19 PM PDT by Morgana
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Morgana
“murderers and people like him don’t deserve to breathe the same air as I do,” or “I hope he burns in hell,”

God's forgiveness requires 2 things. You must repent of your own sins, and be willing to forgive the sins of others as He did for you.
2 posted on 05/14/2013 4:37:00 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Morgana

Did she laugh as they lay dying?

Did she keep trophy “parts”?


3 posted on 05/14/2013 4:38:12 PM PDT by a fool in paradise (America 2013 - STUCK ON STUPID)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Telepathic Intruder

3 really the first being that one has to be aware that they have sinned. Gosnell needs to come to that place where he realizes what he has done. Some like Abby Johnson and others like her have. I don’t think Gosnell has reached the first stage as of yet.


4 posted on 05/14/2013 4:39:23 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Morgana

**Hate comes from hell. Mercy comes from Christ. **

And when we die, Christ is complete justice.


5 posted on 05/14/2013 4:39:32 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Morgana

I’m sorry, did Gosnell admit to his murders and beg for forgiveness, and I missed it?

P.S. Dear author, taking responsibility for your past sins (and yours were REALLY horrendous) doesn’t just mean you raise your hand and say the words and go back to lunch, like Clinton and Obama like to do. It means there are consequences.


6 posted on 05/14/2013 4:39:54 PM PDT by Flightdeck (IMPEACH and CONVICT)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Morgana
Yeah, she's right.

I have no right to judge anybody, poor sinner that I am.

I feel like an idiot.

7 posted on 05/14/2013 4:41:21 PM PDT by Gluteus Maximus
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Morgana

Well, I immplied that to be forgiven you must first repent. How many times shall I forgive someone who sins against me, Jesus was once asked? 7 times? He replied 70 times 7, meaning every single time. But they must first ask for forgiveness.


8 posted on 05/14/2013 4:42:03 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Flightdeck

No she is praying that Gosnell does repent for his sins.


9 posted on 05/14/2013 4:42:08 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Morgana
Abby Johnson: I Am No Better Than Kermit Gosnell, Pray for Him

Abby Johnson claims millions in fraud in ‘whistleblower’ lawsuit against Planned Parenthood
Abby Johnson: When I was a Planned Parenthood manager, I would have died for abortion
Abby Johnson: Celebrating Two Years Since I Quit Planned Parenthood
Abby Johnson: Parents, Tell Your Kids About Abortion; The Baby is Broken
Two Abortion Facility Workers Quit, Abby Johnson Says [FReepers: we can help them]
The new Abby Johnson?: Another Planned Parenthood manager quits and converts to pro-life
Abby Johnson: Abortion Doc Told Patient “I Will Take Your Sin”
Abby Johnson Joins LifeNews.com as Guest Pro-Life Blogger
Abby Johnson: ‘I would give my life’ to undo the evil I caused at Planned Parenthood
Former Planned Parenthood director: Dr. Nathanson ‘gave me hope I could do the same’

Former Planned Parenthood director, now pro-life, to become Catholic [Catholic Caucus]
A Deadly Domino Effect : Abby Johnson left Planned Parenthood and joined the cause of life.
Former Planned Parenthood director joins staff of Live Action
Former Planned Parenthood director to become Catholic
Former Planned Parenthood director to convert to Catholicism
Former Planned Parenthood director releases book
Escape from Abortion: A Review of unPlanned by Abby Johnson
Former Planned Parenthood director releases book
Escape from Abortion: A Review of unPlanned by Abby Johnson
First Chapter of Abby Johnson's Planned Parenthood Book Unplanned

10 posted on 05/14/2013 4:43:29 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Morgana
Agnus Dei qui tollis peccata mundi miserere nobis.
11 posted on 05/14/2013 4:43:38 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Flightdeck

Just curious,,,,so are you saying that there is NO CHANCE she goes to heaven?


12 posted on 05/14/2013 4:46:12 PM PDT by OneBob (Stay Frosty !)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Telepathic Intruder

There are also verses in the bible about telling a person that he has sinned or transgressed against another.

Now since the people gonsell transgressed against are kinda dead ie the babies and several women then the courts have had to tell him and not the tribal members as in the bible.

Also what takes into place is Gosnell has to have his conscience take into place. Or how do you protestants say it? Have the Holy Spirit hit him? Touch his heart? I can’t remember it’s been so long. Either way we can agree on one thing and that is he needs to get right with God and the only way for him to do this is for him to ask God for mercy and forgiveness.


13 posted on 05/14/2013 4:48:19 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Morgana

Yes, he needs to get right with God before anything else. God is not about to populate heaven with unrepentant sinners.


14 posted on 05/14/2013 4:55:36 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Morgana
Well the trial is over and Gosnell did not get the death penalty he got life for forfeiting his rights to an appeal.

I suppose in reality his fellow prisoners will pass judgment on him.They may be a little tougher than the Judge. Certainly his career was abominable. Making money killing babies. But there are many just like him, and it will go on. I would have gone for the death penalty, not because I judge him as unfit to live , but to make these others think before they continue on with their murderous careers. he can get all the mercy he needs when he stands before the real Judge, Jesus Christ.

15 posted on 05/14/2013 4:58:50 PM PDT by Venturer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Telepathic Intruder

Technically, where does it say they first must ask for forgiveness?


16 posted on 05/14/2013 5:10:20 PM PDT by nickcarraway
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

Technically, you must read between the lines to find that. Are you really even able to forgive someone if they don’t want your forgiveness in the first place? I think we have obligations to end injustice if possible, and those doing the injustice might look upon that as unforgiving. But in a sense you’re correct, there is no verse stating “only forgive once you’ve been asked for it”. I believe it’s implied, however, since God’s forgiveness requires repentance first.


17 posted on 05/14/2013 5:18:56 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Morgana

The strongest testimony against abortion comes from the woman and employees who’ve experienced it. Their testimony upon repentance is a powerful witness. If there was hope for Saul of Tarsus, there’s hope for Gosnell...


18 posted on 05/14/2013 5:20:29 PM PDT by Dansong
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Morgana

She’s a better Christian than me.


19 posted on 05/14/2013 5:21:11 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Telepathic Intruder; nickcarraway

Abby said: “I am eagerly awaiting the day when I can call Kermit Gosnell a former and REPENTANT abortion provider.”

Or did everyone miss this??

I agree with Abby!!


20 posted on 05/14/2013 5:21:38 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Morgana
I know some will say, “but you repented, that is the difference.” But what if I hadn’t…not yet. What if I was still inside the abortion industry? What if I was still an accomplice to murder? What if it took me longer to realize the truth? Do I deserve to die? Are we saying repentance is about our timing? Certainly, it is not about us. It about God and His perfect timing.

She did repent, and that is the difference.

If she were still in the industry, and still unrepentant, then she would be as guilty as Gosnell.

This piece is a bit incoherent. She seems to recognize the heinous nature of what he has done and what she herself did, but is hurt if people are upset about it.

People are upset. What Gosnell did is horrific. What she did evidently is on par with it according to her.

God saved her. He can save Gosnell too if he will ask.

Human justice demands that Gosnell pay a price, and lets her walk. There is something wrong with that, but it is what it is. Divine grace, on the other hand, washes her clean and offers to do the same for him if he will repent and accept it. But he'd have to face what he did to repent of it. He'll have a lot of time to think about it, so it may yet happen.

21 posted on 05/14/2013 5:23:52 PM PDT by marron
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Morgana
I am vehemently against the death penalty.

But Elohim commands the death penalty !
NAsbU Genesis 9:6 "Whoever sheds man's blood,
By man his blood shall be shed,
For in the image of God He made man.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
22 posted on 05/14/2013 5:28:42 PM PDT by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway

By the way, I’m not implying you should maintain a vengeful attitude either. Just the opposite. But when there is nothing you can do, it’s best to just shake the dust from your feet and move on. Forget rather than forgive.


23 posted on 05/14/2013 5:29:39 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: marron

“Human justice demands that Gosnell pay a price, and lets her walk. “

Might bit of a difference in what happened here too.

Gosnell did the abortions. Johnson only held the ultra sound on the women while another doctor did the abortion.

Gosnell killed the live baby. Johnson only ran the clinic.

Now keep in mind as long as Roe vs Wade is legal Johnson has not committed any crimes. In fact had Gosnell only done abortions then he would not have either. However as all abortion doctors go he got greedy. When he got greedy he got sloppy. He botched abortions and killed women due to bad staff and poor conditions. All because he wanted to save a buck. Then when the baby survived the abortion he killed it breaking the Infant born alive law. I know this sounds like a lot of legal mombo jumbo but that is the way it is. Until we make Roe Vs Wade overturned we can not go after others who were like Abby Johnson.

Don’t give up however. It was that little “Infant born alive law” that got Gosnell. Now it can be used to get others like him.


24 posted on 05/14/2013 5:31:46 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: marron
She seems to recognize the heinous nature of what he has done and what she herself did, but is hurt if people are upset about it.

No ... she is disturbed that some people seem to prefer his damnation to his repentance. She's right, that is disturbing.

25 posted on 05/14/2013 5:33:53 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: ArrogantBustard

It doesn’t disturb me one tiny bit.


26 posted on 05/14/2013 5:35:07 PM PDT by beandog (All Aboard the Choo Choo Train to Crazy Town)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: UriĀ’el-2012

Ah but you know

I just wonder

How long it will take

As Gosnell sits in his little cell all alone.

Before he is haunted by the ghost of every baby and woman he killed.

Give it time.


27 posted on 05/14/2013 5:36:34 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: ArrogantBustard

I am disturbed that it comes from people who call themselves “Christan”


28 posted on 05/14/2013 5:38:38 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: Morgana

We can and should forgive the sin others cause to us. That is called mercy and only we can give that. We cannot and should not forgive the sin others cause others or to society. That is why Achan was stoned even after he confessed. Please read Judges 7.

God want us to judge righteously.


29 posted on 05/14/2013 5:39:14 PM PDT by HarleyD
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Flightdeck

Best post. Forgiveness does not mean that the person is absolved of all the penalties. They still pay the price.


30 posted on 05/14/2013 5:39:35 PM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Morgana

I have found that the proud christian only fits half his bill.


31 posted on 05/14/2013 5:40:05 PM PDT by Loud Mime (Liberal: A person who charges their grandchildren for today's party)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: Morgana
“I am eagerly awaiting the day..."

Which may very well never come. Murder, despite the fact that it's legal, likely takes a hard toll on the soul. At some point a sinner's heart becomes so hard that repentance is impossible. And by the way, the law does not determine right and wrong, which I'm sure you're aware of. It's supposed to reflect right and wrong, which it does so imperfectly.
32 posted on 05/14/2013 5:40:20 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: beandog

That doesn’t surprise me in the slightest.


33 posted on 05/14/2013 5:42:19 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: Telepathic Intruder
But they must first ask for forgiveness.

Cite source on that. (I do not believe there is one)

34 posted on 05/14/2013 5:42:37 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: nickcarraway
Technically, where does it say they first must ask for forgiveness?

You may be correct... I don't believe the Bible (King James Version at least) actually states that you must 'ask for foregiveness.' It does use the words believe, confess and repent as in the following three verses. Do you think that it's a stretch to suggest that if one believes (recognition that Christ has the power to forgive sins), confesses (acknowledges their sins and that they are are a sinner) and repents (to be so remorseful as to do a 180 degree turn in one's life).... then it is implied that the individual asked for forgiveness?

Acts 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved,

1 John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Luke 15:10 Likewise, I say unto you, there is joy in the presence of the angels of God over one sinner that repenteth.

35 posted on 05/14/2013 5:43:12 PM PDT by hecticskeptic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: don-o

No, you’re right, I believe I mispoke. But repentance is required for God’s forgiveness. Perhaps not ours.


36 posted on 05/14/2013 5:46:46 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: Telepathic Intruder
Forget rather than forgive.

"...and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us...

I guess it depends on what your definition of "as" is.

37 posted on 05/14/2013 5:48:00 PM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: Telepathic Intruder
to be forgiven you must first repent.

True, but that is not the point. No one is arguing that what's his name should be acquitted of his crime. The point is that death penalty robs one of possible repentance, and adds nothing to the society since he is not going to kill again.

38 posted on 05/14/2013 5:50:50 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Morgana

Of course, I have no interest in going after Abby. I accept her repentance, and I accept her as a sister in Christ.

The legal niceties that separate a legal abortion from an illegal one will keep a legal abortionist out of jail, but of course the baby is still dead. That was my point.

A separate subject is God’s grace. Gosnell can yet be saved if he will avail himself of it. That was Abby’s ultimate point, I believe. Grace doesn’t diminish the horror of what he did, the horror of it magnifies the miracle that is grace.

She is wrong to criticize people who are upset at what he did. And if in the heat of anger people said something that she thinks is over the top, she shouldn’t be surprised. People are people. If she wants to extend grace to the abortionist, she can extend a little to the people who responded in anger to something that was really shocking, revolting even.

But she is right that people in the industry are human beings in need of salvation just as we all are, and that she is living proof that God can save them.


39 posted on 05/14/2013 5:51:43 PM PDT by marron
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: a fool in paradise; Morgana
No, she didn't.

You can read her story here. Then you'll know what she's talking about:

Unplanned: The Dramatic True Story of a Former Planned Parenthood Leader's Eye-Opening Journey across the Life Line (Link)

40 posted on 05/14/2013 5:53:46 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("In Christ we form one body, and each member belongs to all the others." Romans 12:5)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: HarleyD
Luke 5:
29 Then Levi held a great banquet for Jesus at his house, and a large crowd of tax collectors and others were eating with them. 30 But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law who belonged to their sect complained to his disciples, “Why do you eat and drink with tax collectors and sinners?” 31 Jesus answered them, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. 32 I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.”

Luke 15:
3 Then Jesus told them this parable: 4 “Suppose one of you has a hundred sheep and loses one of them. Doesn’t he leave the ninety-nine in the open country and go after the lost sheep until he finds it? 5 And when he finds it, he joyfully puts it on his shoulders 6 and goes home. Then he calls his friends and neighbors together and says, ‘Rejoice with me; I have found my lost sheep.’ 7 I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent.

Romans 2:
You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. 2 Now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. 3 So when you, a mere human being, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment? 4 Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness, forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance?

If you want to set yourself up as a judge of other men, that's your business. I don't recommend it. Yes, he has committed horrible crimes, and horrible sins. But I am a sinner, too. Yes, he must pay for his crimes in this life. But I pray for his repentance ... however unlikely I may think it.

41 posted on 05/14/2013 5:59:13 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: annalex

You’re arguing the merits (or rather the reverse) of the death penalty which is a non-issue to me. I think that God knows the heart like he does the hairs on your head, and time is not what is needed for redemption. I tend to think it’s more cruel to keep a person locked up for the rest of his life, which we do to murderers but not innocent babies, to further point out that the death penalty and abortion are not equal arguments. But as I said, it’s a non-issue to me. I see no justice or injustice in it.


42 posted on 05/14/2013 6:02:17 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: Telepathic Intruder
time is not what is needed for redemption

Time is needed for repentance, and repentance is needed for redemption. Yes, this is an argument against the death penalty in general, provided that the guilty party can be incarcerated securely.

Forgiveness is individual; some might find it in their hearts to forgive without repentance, others won't. We should strive for it, but that has nothing to do with the operation of civil justice.

43 posted on 05/14/2013 6:09:47 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: Morgana

I do not think Gosnell can be saved. I certainly can’t say that with total confidence but I am pretty sure of it.

If a person continues to sin, in this case sin horribly, eventually their conscience becomes seared. They basically no longer have a conscience.

While Christ is always faithful to forgive if we repent, determine to do better and ask Christ to save us, some will never do that because they have just become too evil.


44 posted on 05/14/2013 6:12:32 PM PDT by yarddog (Truth, Justice, and what was once the American Way.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Morgana

in america, as she said, women decide if a child lives or dies. not men. she doesn’t shove the blame off on “men”. if the woman wants the child, or doesn’t - a man can’t stop her either way. he has no legal ability to either way. it all rests on her choice. “choice” is non-existent for the man.

this whole mess is just sickening. hopefully as this is shown - the whole gosnell mess - to be the norm of the abortion industry, not rare exceptions, we will be able to dismantle much of the abortion industry in america.

it is the norm. it is not rare. the people doing abortions are scum, their conditions are filthy, they murder babies, and it’s time anyone working for them that still has a working conscience, gets some courage and takes them down, if for no other reason but for the safety of other women. for the truth, so they can look at themselves in the mirror, again, without self-disgust.


45 posted on 05/14/2013 6:15:34 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Morgana
Did I slit the necks of children after they were born? No. But, I was an accomplice to murder. Thousands of times

Ridiculous snd unnecessary article. There is absolutely no comparison to what Ms. Johnson did as an abortion clinic worker, and what Dr. Kermit Mengele did - the cold-blooded murders of living children outside the womb with his own hands.

46 posted on 05/14/2013 6:15:52 PM PDT by montag813
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: annalex

Well, there is a little bit of time between the final sentence and the cold needle (way too much time by some opinions). If a person can’t repent in that time, they might never. I see what you mean, however.


47 posted on 05/14/2013 6:18:25 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

To: Telepathic Intruder

God can wait. The father of the Prodigal Son waited.


48 posted on 05/14/2013 6:21:59 PM PDT by annalex (fear them not)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 47 | View Replies]

To: annalex

The nature of time is an interesting concept to me. I could go way off topic with that but I’ll spare you and everyone else. Suffice it to repeat the contextual point is a non-issue. Admittedly, because I’m unable to decide.


49 posted on 05/14/2013 6:31:21 PM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]

To: marron

Well said!


50 posted on 05/14/2013 6:31:31 PM PDT by Guenevere (....)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-76 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson