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God or Atheism — Which Is More Rational?
Catholic Education ^ | June 10, 2013 | Peter Kreeft

Posted on 06/11/2013 3:34:14 PM PDT by NYer

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1 posted on 06/11/2013 3:34:14 PM PDT by NYer
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Ping!


2 posted on 06/11/2013 3:34:53 PM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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To: NYer

One is as irrational as the next. Proof is lacking from either argument.


3 posted on 06/11/2013 3:36:20 PM PDT by gorush (History repeats itself because human nature is static)
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Atheism is for idiots.


4 posted on 06/11/2013 3:38:09 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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The conclusion that God exists doesn't require faith. Atheism requires faith. It takes faith to believe in everything coming from nothing. It takes only reason to believe in everything coming from God.

Everytime I walk into a Doctor's Office and see the anatomy charts on the wall, I think they resemble "wiring diagrams and schematics" for something incredibly complex. I have concluded that it takes a much greater leap of faith to conclude that this detailed anatomy bubbled up from swamp gas rather than from an Intelligent Design.

5 posted on 06/11/2013 3:44:00 PM PDT by ghostrider
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To: NYer
If there is a god, he sure likes torturing us with evil.
6 posted on 06/11/2013 3:46:19 PM PDT by deadrock
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The simple truth is God is not an intellectual discussion. God is in your heart, spirit and soul. God is your belief. Men can scream all they want you can’t see God; but God is everywhere.


7 posted on 06/11/2013 3:46:26 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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God -- things cannot come from nothing, so "something" had to set the ball rolling.

Atheism -- in the beginning there was nothing, and then it blew up.

The argument for God is inherently more logical.

An atheist recently said to me "your faith is like a penis. Its okay to have it and be proud of, but its not okay to shove down my throat."

I hadn't been trying to evangelize this guy at all, I just mentioned in passing something about my faith, and he jumped on it. In a divinely inspired streak of genius (in my opinion at least) I responded "so your an atheist, and have no faith in God." He said yes, that's right. "So you're trying to tell me you have no penis?"

I derived no little amusement from his resulting tantrum. Has anyone else noticed that these atheist types very frequently seem to have serious anger-management issues?

8 posted on 06/11/2013 3:47:38 PM PDT by Wyrd bið ful aræd (Gone Galt, 11/07/12----No king but Christ! Don't tread on me!)
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To: Gene Eric
Atheism is for idiots.

Several yeas ago I saw someone interviewing little Dicky Dawkins (Sorry, I just can't resist). The interviewer asked what was the origin of life here on Earth. Dawkins said it could very easily be space aliens. I waited for the next logical question of "Well how did life begin on the alien planet?" but the interviewer let a golden moment just slip away!

9 posted on 06/11/2013 3:51:13 PM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: Wyrd bið ful aræd

Ha Brilliant!! I have a question that I enjoy posing to atheists.

So you say there is no God. If you could choose to live in a universe with a God that promised you the salvation of heaven would you?


10 posted on 06/11/2013 3:52:15 PM PDT by longfellowsmuse (last of the living nomads)
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To: deadrock

Naw. He’s the One who showers you with blessing in a world of sinners who like torturing you with evil.


11 posted on 06/11/2013 3:53:01 PM PDT by MarDav
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>> I waited for the next logical question

Precisely. But atheists aren’t concerned about that, its simply a matter of contempt for Christianity — specifically Christianity.


12 posted on 06/11/2013 3:57:09 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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So he is powerless to stop the sinners who are spreading their evil that is destroying us?

So is he complicit or powerless? Is he waiting for extreme suffering before intervention? How does he measure the suffering?

Maybe Obama destroying the Constitution and chaining up his people isn`t even on his radar.

13 posted on 06/11/2013 4:23:36 PM PDT by deadrock
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To: NYer

Believing in God takes FAITH. Not believing in God takes/requires nothing. An empty mind.


14 posted on 06/11/2013 4:25:00 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (1 Cor 15: 50-54 & 1 Thess 4: 13-17. That about covers it.)
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By definition the atheist’s worldview is materialist. That is they believe all there is is matter/energy. The question is in regards to rational thought. The atheist owes us an explaination as to the material makeup of rational thought, logic, and reason. If they cannot, they need to abandon their worldview.


15 posted on 06/11/2013 4:31:07 PM PDT by Texas Songwriter (')
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To: Gene Eric
"Atheism is for idiots."

To me it's got to be the most irrational of all irrationalities....

To believe and identify yourself as someone who does not believe in anything, and to have faith that there is no such thing as faith by being faithful to nothing.

It would be more rational to believe in little green men on Mars.

16 posted on 06/11/2013 4:34:56 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: Cold Heat

Um, they’re gray not green?


17 posted on 06/11/2013 4:37:43 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: NYer

Faith in some sort of transcendent mind is more logical than the very ‘magic’ idea that the universe popped into existence by itself. This is just an argument for theism though. You have to analyze other things to determine which faith is true.


18 posted on 06/11/2013 4:38:16 PM PDT by Viennacon (Universalist Unitarian Church - It's like the DNC, except with more booing of God)
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To: deadrock

This is the classic ‘problem of evil’. What would you have God do? Reach down and stop you and every person on the planet every time you’re about to do something wrong? Where is the freedom in that? He might as well have created puppets on strings.

We are given free will because it means much more to CHOOSE good than to be forced into it. Let me present you a microcosm. Which is better, charity or communism? Both may end up feeding a downtrodden individual, but does charity not have more value than communism, because I willingly decided to help another? I would say it does.


19 posted on 06/11/2013 4:42:46 PM PDT by Viennacon (Universalist Unitarian Church - It's like the DNC, except with more booing of God)
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To: deadrock

He loves you so much that He left heaven, took on human form, suffered horribly and died on the cross for you. Then He left the tomb three days later to save you from an eternity of torture.


20 posted on 06/11/2013 4:50:48 PM PDT by CatherineofAragon ((Support Christian white males----the architects of the jewel known as Western Civilization).)
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