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To: vladimir998
Greed? Hmmmm.

From Catholic Historian Ludwig von Pastor:

“But it is a mistake to suppose that the corruption of the clergy was worse in Rome than elsewhere; there is documentary evidence of the immorality of the priests in almost every town in the Italian peninsula. In many places–Venice, for instance–matters were far worse than in Rome. No wonder, as contemporary writers sadly testify, the influence of the clergy had declined, and that in many places hardly any respect was shown for the priesthood. Their immorality was so gross that suggestions in favor of allowing priests to marry began to be heard... The three essential vows of poverty, chastity, and obedience were in some convents almost entirely disregarded.”

What does Luther's hypocrisy or whether conservatives march have to do the point at hand? Nothing. And the question goes unanswered:

“The immorality of many of the Roman clergy and the tolerance of it...is it any different from what Martin Luther saw?”

47 posted on 06/16/2013 12:33:12 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: count-your-change

Your quote in no way negates what I said. Read about Luther’s complaints and you’ll see he wasn’t particularly focused on homosexuality to say the least.

“What does Luther’s hypocrisy or whether conservatives march have to do the point at hand?”

You brought him up (”...is it any different from what Martin Luther saw?”) - incorrectly since he did not complain about the same thing that Peter Damian did. So, you were wrong when you brought him up and you’re wrong by complaining that I pointed out his hypocrisy.

And I answered the question. Perhaps you need to learn how to read. I’ll post the same answer which I already posted to the questions which you are falsely claiming went “unanswered”:

[Question from anti-Catholic which was already answered in post #42] “The immorality of many of the Roman clergy and the tolerance of it...is it any different from what Martin Luther saw?”

{Answer as given, word for word in Post #42] “Yes. Luther complained mostly about the clergy’s greed - which would later be shown to be hypocritical considering his own choices in life as a Protestant. If you read the 95 Theses you’ll see that Luther did not assume that homosexuality was a major problem in the clergy. Peter’s complaint was entirely different. Apparently you’re not as familiar with either set of complaints as you might think.”

Maybe you just don’t know what the word “Yes” means.


51 posted on 06/16/2013 1:23:35 PM PDT by vladimir998
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