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Cardinal Dolan Makes First Visit to New York City Mosque: “You Love God, We Love God…”
The Deacon's Bench ^ | 6/21/13 | Deacon Greg Kandra

Posted on 06/25/2013 7:06:51 AM PDT by marshmallow

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Cardinal Timothy Dolan, the archbishop of New York, made his first visit to a mosque in New York City and it was the Albanian Islamic Cultural Center in Tompkinsville where he met with Muslim and other faith leaders.

The cardinal spent more than two hours touring the mosque and the Miraj Islamic School and having lunch with about 40 clergy and laity.

“I thank God that this day has arrived,” the cardinal said. “I thank you for your welcome, I thank you for making me feel like a friend and a member of a family.”

The cardinal asked questions about the Muslim faith and emphasized throughout his visit how much the two religions and their members have in common.

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Muslims do not love God. That is, in fact, one of the fundamental distinctions between Islam and Christianity; the absence of love. There is nothing to love, since there is no redemption, no sacrifice, no Calvary.

Moslems fear an irrational, bloodthirsty God whose whimsical dictates must be obeyed and their actions mirror this understanding of their deity as Benedict XVI pointed out at Regensburg.

1 posted on 06/25/2013 7:06:51 AM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow

Yes, I wish the good Cardinal had investigated the Koran. The Muslim Allah is a distant, capricious being. There is neither the manifest expression of love seen in the Old Testament, or the explicit one of the New Testament.

Still, people have the need to love. God built it into them. If they back off from God, they still have to love, but they love the devil or the devil’s idolic waypoints which are the world and the sinful self (biblically called the “flesh”).


2 posted on 06/25/2013 7:10:42 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: marshmallow

“You teach people to murder innocents in the name of Allah.”

There. Fixed it.


3 posted on 06/25/2013 7:11:18 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (If youÂ’re happy and you know it clank your chains!)
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To: marshmallow

4 posted on 06/25/2013 7:12:07 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: marshmallow; metmom
Let's stay on track with approved Roman Catholic doctrine:
"The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day."[Catechism of the Catholic Church, para 841]
Dolan is toeing the party line here.
5 posted on 06/25/2013 7:12:12 AM PDT by Gamecock ("Ultimately, Jesus died to save us from the wrath of God." —R.C. Sproul)
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Ping to #5.


6 posted on 06/25/2013 7:12:44 AM PDT by Gamecock ("Ultimately, Jesus died to save us from the wrath of God." —R.C. Sproul)
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To: marshmallow
The cardinal asked questions about the Muslim faith and emphasized throughout his visit how much the two religions and their members have in common.

Oh really, Cardinal? Which parts do we have in common? Would it be the polygamy? "Honor" killings? Killing of the non-believers or subjugating them? Beating your wives? Terrorist acts in the name of a nonexistent moon god?

7 posted on 06/25/2013 7:13:22 AM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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To: Gamecock

more posts on a different earlier thread here....

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3035162/posts


8 posted on 06/25/2013 7:13:27 AM PDT by ThomasMore (Islam is the Whore of Babylon!)
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To: Gamecock

That is kind of a half truth. Apprehension of a Creator is a necessary step; but if one doesn’t get clear the loving nature of the Creator then there’s nothing to accept for salvation.


9 posted on 06/25/2013 7:15:05 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: marshmallow

Way back when I was still in Catholic school, I must’ve slept through the “We’re just like Islam” class.


10 posted on 06/25/2013 7:15:43 AM PDT by ScottinVA ( Liberal is to patriotism as Kermit Gosnell is to neonatal care.)
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To: marshmallow

High fives, pretty little knuckle bumps and hearty laughs all around, best buds recognize each other even in the dark.
(2 Cor. 6:14)


11 posted on 06/25/2013 7:18:51 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: ScottinVA

It would not be wrong to start with where Muslims agree with Christians in bringing a Christian witness to them, but this flowery encomium is a bit over the top. Tell them that this Creator cares and is not distant at all but very near and ready to leap into their hearts with love. Don’t compliment them for apprehending a Creator and then leave a big gap for any old thing to jump into.


12 posted on 06/25/2013 7:19:23 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: marshmallow

The Cardinal is a first class idiot.


13 posted on 06/25/2013 7:21:36 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: marshmallow

Cardinal Dolan practices politics—but he should practice in private.


14 posted on 06/25/2013 7:22:03 AM PDT by SC_Pete
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To: marshmallow

You slaughter Christians, we heal muslims for free in our Catholic hospitals.


15 posted on 06/25/2013 7:24:16 AM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: marshmallow

So, Dolan took time out from pushing for amnesty and “gun control” to take a tour of a mosque? How exciting....not.

When is the imam going to take a tour of St. Patrick’s Cathedral?


16 posted on 06/25/2013 7:24:50 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (November 4, 2008 and November 6, 2012.....Two days that will live in infamy!)
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To: ScottinVA

Same here. Also, the part about gays being harmless and cute.


17 posted on 06/25/2013 7:26:43 AM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: marshmallow

Dolan has been a massive disappointment.


18 posted on 06/25/2013 7:38:10 AM PDT by livius
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To: Gamecock

“The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims”

Not sure what this means. It seems to imply muslims are saved but is a bit vague.


19 posted on 06/25/2013 7:44:55 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: ScottinVA

Yeah. Somehow we went from Islam being described as diabolical and heretical by Popes to Islam being described as worshipping the same God as Catholics.

I so wish the Catholic hierarchy would explain this.


20 posted on 06/25/2013 7:49:40 AM PDT by piusv
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To: marshmallow
It seems that satan has scored an impressive victory. After the prayer Dolan gave at the Republican convention I would not have guessed he would do this.
21 posted on 06/25/2013 7:50:20 AM PDT by Jay Redhawk (Zombies are just intelligent, good looking democrats.)
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To: plain talk

Plain talk...that’s VII talk....vague.


22 posted on 06/25/2013 7:50:29 AM PDT by piusv
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To: marshmallow
Cardinal Dolan Makes First Visit to New York City Mosque: “You Love God, We Love God…”,

You're an idiot Cardinal..with all due respect, this statement is dangerously naive! Their 'god' told muslims that Jesus Christ did not die on the cross, was not resurrected and is NOT divine. Still think we love the same God?

23 posted on 06/25/2013 7:54:31 AM PDT by pgkdan (Marco Rubio can go straight to hell!)
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To: marshmallow

They revere Jesus. We worship Christ.

A difference with eternal consequences.


24 posted on 06/25/2013 8:03:13 AM PDT by DManA
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To: marshmallow; wideawake
Meanwhile, rural American Fundamentalist Protestants are treated as Public Enemy Number One by American Catholicism (and other places where Catholicism is having to combat its progress). Can anyone imagine a Catholic priest, much less a bishop, paying a friendly visit to a Fundamentalist Protestant church? (And no ridiculous remarks about "he would be lynched." That's a lie and you all know it!)

I recall reading about a Catholic bishop who visited a mosque saying that he felt right at home there with his "fellow fundamentalists." Can you imagine a Protestant being referred to by any Catholic as a "fellow fundamentalist?"

I was doing some reading about Armenia yesterday, and I read that the Armenian Church is rabidly opposed to "sects" that threaten Armenian "national identity," but have no problem with people who practice a reconstructed Armenian paganism . . . because reconstructed Armenian paganism, like Armenian chrstianity, helps bolster Armenian "national identity!!!"

There is absolutely no doubt that the ancient liturgical churches are more authentic than any Protestant "restoration" based on "the bible" . . . but there is also absolutely no doubt that those ancient churches are sick and twisted beyond measure.

25 posted on 06/25/2013 8:22:46 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: marshmallow; wideawake; KC_Lion
Muslims do not love God. That is, in fact, one of the fundamental distinctions between Islam and Christianity; the absence of love. There is nothing to love, since there is no redemption, no sacrifice, no Calvary.

Ahem--Orthodox Jews manage to love G-d just fine without the need for "calvary."

I wonder if chrstian FReepers ever stop to read the words they type when they're railing against islam: those dirty muzzies don't believe in the "trinity," they don't eat pork (how dare they!), and their religion is an all-embracing legal system. My goodness. Even I wince at some of this stuff. I can only imagine what Jewish FReepers must think when they read some of these criticisms of islam.

Has anyone on FR besides me ever read the Book of Joshua? Was he a monster leading a political movement disguised as a "religion" as well?

26 posted on 06/25/2013 8:27:14 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
(1) These "visits" are really invitations from the congregation in question. The bishop did not just decide to stop by and visit.

(2) Self-described fundamentalist congregations are not in the habit of inviting Catholic or Orthodox prelates to their churches and frankly, do not like to even address the prelates by their titles.

(3) Interaction between fundamentalist Protestant pastors and Catholic and Orthodox clergy usually take place in venues like meetings in support of marriage or life rather than churches.

(4) American Protestants are highly focused on condemning religious law largely because their tradition comes from the "Dissenters" of England, Holland and Germany who opposed not just Catholicism and Orthodoxy but also the official Reformed, Anglican and Lutheran state churches of Europe.

27 posted on 06/25/2013 8:51:19 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: marshmallow

Ooh, just all warm and fuzzy, isn’t he? Argh - we look like such fools when we make public statements that give Islam any credibility at all. I rather expected better from Cardinal Dolan.


28 posted on 06/25/2013 8:52:19 AM PDT by jagusafr (the American Trinity (Liberty, In G0D We Trust, E Pluribus Unum))
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To: livius

“Dolan has been a massive disappointment.”

His “just can’t we all get along” attitude is nauseating. He comes across as a friendly teddy bear. He’s cow-towed to Obama on freedom of religion and has let murdering abortion Catholic politicians continue their reign of terror on the unborn as he distribute Holy Communion to them.


29 posted on 06/25/2013 8:53:22 AM PDT by kenmcg (scapegoat)
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To: Gamecock
Let's stay on track with approved Roman Catholic doctrine...Dolan is toeing the party line here.

We got an anathema. Muslims got dinner and a movie!

30 posted on 06/25/2013 10:15:01 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: HiTech RedNeck; Gamecock
Cardinal Dolan seems to say something wince-worthy on a once-a-week basis, with streaks where he hits once-a-day.I'd want to make a distinction, though, between Dolan's amiable but garbled fragments, and the coherent truths found in the Catechism.

It's this: the Areopagus strategy. In Acts, we read where Paul praised the Athenians for being "religious" and for believing in a Deity of whom we are "His offspring", "in Whom we live and move and have our being".

He acknowledges all this, but sees it as strictly preparatory, putting it in the context that "you are worshipping an Unknown God" and "what you are worshipping in ignorance, I will proclaim to you." He uses it as his entree in order to talk about the True God, and His only-begotten Son, our divine Savior Jesus Christ.

The Catholic Catechism does the same thing. It sees a quantum of truth in the Muslim's faith "in the Creator," but considers this (para 843) "a preparation for the Gospel and given by him who enlightens all men that they may at length have life." The Catechism follows this up with:

844 In their religious behavior, however, men also display the limits and errors that disfigure the image of God in them: Very often, deceived by the Evil One, men have become vain in their reasonings, and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and served the creature rather than the Creator. Or else, living and dying in this world without God, they are exposed to ultimate despair.

This is what I see in St. Paul's remarks to the Athenians, and in St. Francis of Assisi's dialogues with the Sultan Al-Kamil, but do not see in Dolan: the follow-up of proclaiming the Gospel.

Come on, Cardinal Tim. Give it to 'em straight.

31 posted on 06/25/2013 10:31:01 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Christus vincit. Christus regnat. Christus imperat.")
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To: wideawake; Zionist Conspirator
Self-described fundamentalist congregations are...do not like to even address the prelates by their titles.

Maybe it's a case of quid pro quo:

...it is inconvenient for a Catholic to call a Protestant preacher “reverend,” because this is to indirectly confer legitimacy to his heretical confession. It is much better to call a Lutheran Mr. Jones instead of reverend Jones, or use the title Doctor or Professor, if it is applicable. In writing, it is sometimes necessary to refer to a Protestant as bishop, but the title should be lower case, e.g. bishop Philip Robinson, or Protestant bishop Robinson, as a sign of differentiation from the Catholic Bishop.

We Americans have the duty to be especially vigilant regarding tolerance toward Protestantism. It was such tolerance that produced the heresy of Americanism, which in final analysis, is to adapt Catholic doctrine and practices to Protestantism. Unfortunately that same penchant that induced Leo XIII to write against Americanism is still alive today not only among progressivist Catholics, but even among conservative or traditionalist American Catholics.

The same general rule regarding Protestants – that is, to avoid the religious title in direct address – would apply to the hierarchy in other heretical or schismatic confessions. If a title is used in writing, it should be lower case, e.g. rabbi Jacob Levinsky, or for an “orthodox” bishop, bishop Michael Baldwin, etc.
-- from the thread How to Address Priests and Religious: Titles and Signs of Respect


32 posted on 06/25/2013 10:40:19 AM PDT by Alex Murphy
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To: Alex Murphy; wideawake
Unfortunately, the article you cite is by an extreme right wing dissident who adheres to Catholic positions that have long since vanished down the rabbit hole. These people don't count, Alex, and they aren't a threat.

My point was that today's liberal, pro-islamic, ultra-ecumenical Catholic Church treats only one group as pariahs: traditional rural American Fundamentalist Protestants. The point was to highlight liberal hypocrisy, not the arrogance of the old, pre-VII Catholic Church. I don't begrudge the member of any religion believing that theirs is the only one that's true. It's the others, the "we're all brothers except for those rednecks" that I can't stand.

You and I seem to be approaching Catholicism from two completely opposed places, Alex. I can assure you that the big bad old "orthodox" Catholic Church is never coming back and will never threaten you. The current Church will, however, treat you like a leper for believing the "old testament" (chas veshalom!) is literally true.

33 posted on 06/25/2013 11:08:45 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I only had to read the first sentence and I knew who was writing. Flawless.


34 posted on 06/25/2013 11:17:15 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: wideawake
(1) These "visits" are really invitations from the congregation in question. The bishop did not just decide to stop by and visit.

(2) Self-described fundamentalist congregations are not in the habit of inviting Catholic or Orthodox prelates to their churches and frankly, do not like to even address the prelates by their titles.

(3) Interaction between fundamentalist Protestant pastors and Catholic and Orthodox clergy usually take place in venues like meetings in support of marriage or life rather than churches.

(4) American Protestants are highly focused on condemning religious law largely because their tradition comes from the "Dissenters" of England, Holland and Germany who opposed not just Catholicism and Orthodoxy but also the official Reformed, Anglican and Lutheran state churches of Europe.

You're missing the point, widey.

1)Fundamentalist Protestants don't engage in pulpit exchanges because they take their religion seriously. Religions, including Catholicism (and now apparently islam) who do engage in such exchanges obviously do not take their religions seriously. No such pulpit exchanges ever occurred prior to the current era of universal apostasy.

2)Despite their well-known antinomianism (at least so far as ritual and ceremony is concerned), those radical Fundamentalist Protestants certainly are adopting Jewish rituals and ceremonies these days, aren't they?

3)My point wasn't dogmatic, but rather social. Catholics want to talk with everyone under the sun except for Fundamentalist Protestants--not because they are Protestant, but because they are Fundamentalist! Modern Catholicism is nothing but "new age" liberalism, which is why Fundamentalist Protestantism is the only religion routinely attacked, maligned, libeled, and avoided by today's Catholic officials. And they are treated this way not because of what they actually believe but because of the fact that they actually believe it. Apparently the Catholic Church can't stand anyone who actually believes anything. This fact in and of itself show's that Catholicism is no longer "orthodox" but liberal.

Did you notice the point I made about the Catholic Archbishop (name not now recollected) who actually went to a mosque and said he "felt comfortable among [his] fellow fundamentalists?" Why then the disdain for his "fellow fundamentalists" in the Protestant low churches? Why is their fundamentalism attacked while the fundamentalism of islam is accepted as in fellowship with the "fundamentalism" of liberal Catholics?

Did you read my observation about the Armenian Church's acceptance of Armenian neo-paganism because it helps that church defend the "Armenian national identity" from the "sects?"

You didn't say a thing about those two points.

I know for a fact that you don't agree with everything the current "mind of the church" is thinking. How you can pretend that all is well, that doctrine changed radically after VII, and that a revolution has occurred is beyond me.

I read a while back about the "error of magisterialism"--a state of mind that accepts all, and only, what is being taught by the contemporary magisterium, with absolutely no concern whatsoever with what the magisterium taught in ages past.

35 posted on 06/25/2013 11:23:33 AM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator; wideawake
Catholic churches do not engage in pulpit exchanges. No one is canonically authorized to offer the sermon at Mass (homily) except a Catholic deacon or priest.

Not a Muslim. Not even a Catholic layperson.

If you have seen some sort of "pulpit exchange" with the Catholics listening to a non-Catholic homilist, this is strictly against Canon law.

Once again, the problem would be with the Catholics not being Catholic enough. This is always to be deplored.

36 posted on 06/25/2013 11:32:38 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The Holy Catholic Church: the more Holy she is, the more Catholic she is.")
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To: Alex Murphy
Ha! Funny, but really thick-sliced baloney-oney-o, my dear Alex.

If you're talking about Back Then, you got an anathema and the Muslims got 200 years of Crusades, PLUS getting their butts kicked at Lepanto, Malta, Vienna and Prague. If you're talking about Now, you got this (hold onto your halo):

838 "The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter." Those "who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church."

So there you are: certainly, though imperfectly!

It's true!

Dinner and a movie forthcoming!

37 posted on 06/25/2013 11:45:54 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The Holy Catholic Church: the more Holy she is, the more Catholic she is.")
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To: Gamecock
Dolan is toeing the party line here.

Obviously.....

I wonder if HE kissed a copy of the Koran....

38 posted on 06/25/2013 12:03:58 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Catholic churches do not engage in pulpit exchanges. No one is canonically authorized to offer the sermon at Mass (homily) except a Catholic deacon or priest.

Not a Muslim. Not even a Catholic layperson.

If you have seen some sort of "pulpit exchange" with the Catholics listening to a non-Catholic homilist, this is strictly against Canon law.

Once again, the problem would be with the Catholics not being Catholic enough. This is always to be deplored.

I was referring to nothing more or less than the type of thing described in the article at the top of this forum: a visit by a Catholic bishop to a mosque to announce what a wonderful religion islam is. I am sorry if I used an unfortunate phrase.

As I understand it, you live in Nashville, TN. Maybe you can answer my question: why do Catholics make nice with everyone in the universe except for Fundamentalist Protestants? Why are Fundamentalist Protestants the one and only religious community it's okay to have conflict with?

Why are moslems "fellow fundamentalists" with Catholics while Fundamentalist Protestants are anti-Catholic monsters? If the first eleven chapters of Genesis really are so corrosive to the Catholic worldview, they should never have been canonized as part of the Catholic bible.

Why is it okay to be a reconstructed pagan in Armenia but not a Fundamentalist Protestant?

Seriously. What's the deal with all this?

39 posted on 06/25/2013 12:06:49 PM PDT by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu!)
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To: Zionist Conspirator; don-o
Actually, I live in Upper East TN. Tennessee has three grand divisions:

I don't hold it against you, but we're not Nashville!

OK, honest questions, and I'll do my level best. But to clarify, maybe you can answer my question: Could you mention one conflict Catholics have had with Fundamentalists in my adult lifetime? (That would be in the last 40 years.) I'm --- seriously --- wracking my brain, and I can't think of any.

So "Why do you have these conflicts only with fundamentalist Christians" is like "Are you still beating your wife?" It presupposes something from jump street that I don't presuppose.

I don't get "Fundamentalist Protestants are anti-Catholic monsters." When I lived north of the Mason-Dixon line, the only fundamentalists I knew were pro-lifers who did "Operation Rescue" type sit-ins at abortion clinics, and we went to jail together and got along just fine.

When I moved to the mid-South 25 years ago, the only fundamentalists I knew were all my relations on my husband's side, the Baptists who allied with us very generously in putting together a Religious Liberty rally (whom I value and revere), and the Shape-Note singers--- some are Fundamentalists, some not.

So I'm examining my conscience: when did I or any Catholic I know ever diss a Protestant Fundamentalist?

Even the theological Biblical example you cited, makes me draw a blank.

You said, "... If the first eleven chapters of Genesis really are so corrosive to the Catholic worldview, they should never have been canonized as part of the Catholic bible."

I'm thinking, "Haven't I always been taught --- and gone on to teach my RCIA students --- that the first 11 chapters of Genesis are foundational to the whole Catholic worldview? The indispensable starting point for the whole Christian proclamation of Jesus Christ our Lord? After all, it teaches the crucial truths of Creation, the Fall, the promise of the Messiah, God's saving power is rescuing a doomed human race---"

Now I am not being totally ingenuous about this. I know you think the first eleven chapters of Genesis are geologically, hydrologically, astrophysically, zoologically, anatomically and physiologically exact in every detail, and the Catholic Church does not. We see it as a primordial history which provides the true moral and spiritual basis to everything we believe about the Trinity and the past and future of Man. We don't believe in it less than you do.

We would certainly argue about this -- I'm not sure, but I think you and I do not see eye-to-eye on the Trinity --- but it would be an absurdity to say the first eleven chapters of Genesis are "corrosive to the Catholic worldview." The "Catholic worldview" is incomprehensible without those sacred eleven chapters, divinely inspired by the Holy Spirit.

I would think that somebody who understands parables --- you do accept Jesus' parables? --- would understand that the truth comes in different formats, including the poem, the satire, the primordial prequel, and the parable.

"Why is it okay to be a reconstructed pagan in Armenia but not a Fundamentalist Protestant?"

What the clumpity-clump are you talking about?

"Seriously."

Seriously.

I await with ears WAY out there.


40 posted on 06/25/2013 1:25:48 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Truth is stronger than faction.)
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To: piusv; ScottinVA
>> Somehow we went from Islam being described as diabolical and heretical by Popes to Islam being described as worshipping the same God as Catholics.<<

Looks to me like the RCC believes they do.

CCC841 The Church's relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day.

Wouldn’t that mean the you have to also if you are a Catholic?

41 posted on 06/25/2013 3:45:18 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: marshmallow
Who can blame him for thinking that way. One of his best friends is mooslimb.


42 posted on 06/25/2013 5:44:52 PM PDT by Old Yeller (Cracker Barrel is racist and I demand that they change their name.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Yup, it’s a bit premature to celebrate Islam because, yay! they believe in a Creator.

Well, what KIND of Creator? And yes, there are wiser cardinals than Dolan with a voice in this matter. Any truth is a beginning towards God, who wants to save because He is love, but if the devil has bent it hard aside and the hearers gladly concur, that can’t just be ignored. That’s what evil is, basically: bent truth.


43 posted on 06/25/2013 6:49:33 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: CynicalBear

The Roman church is having some identity and mission angst.

Unlike a lot of Protestants, I do affirm that yes collectively the Roman Catholic worship system is a Christian church. I don’t agree with all they have come to preach in it after the bible books were authored, but to me it is unquestionable both by biblical logic and empirically that the Blood is thicker than mud. You individually receive the spirit of Christ into your soul, then you are Christian, period. There’s only one unpardonable sin and whatever the Roman church is doing, that ain’t it.


44 posted on 06/25/2013 7:06:17 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (Whatever promise that God has made, in Jesus it is yes. See my page.)
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To: HiTech RedNeck
>> I do affirm that yes collectively the Roman Catholic worship system is a Christian church.<<

Deuteronomy 12:30 Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise. 31 Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God

Notice how God says not to use the way of the pagans to serve Him? Even the RCC itself says they have incorporated pagan practices into their “religion”.

“We need not shrink from admitting that candles, like incense and lustral water, were commonly employed in pagan worship and the rites paid to the dead. But the Church from a very early period took them into her service, just as she adopted many other things indifferent in themselves, which seemed proper to enhance the splendor of religious ceremonial. We must not forget that most of these adjuncts to worship, like music, lights, perfumes, ablutions, floral decorations, canopies, fans, screens, bells, vestments etc. were not identified with any idolatrous cult in particular; but they were common to almost all cults” (Catholic Encyclopedia, III, 246.)

“When we give or receive Christmas gifts; or hang green wreaths in our homes and churches, how many of us know that we are probably observing pagan customs...the god, Woden, in Norse Mythology, descends upon the earth yearly between December 25th and January 6th to bless mankind...But pagan though they be, they are beautiful customs. They help inspire us with the spirit of 'good will to men', even as the sublime service of our Church reminds us of the ‘peace on earth’ which the babe of Bethlehem came to bestow” (Externals of the Catholic Church, 140).

Catholics can’t deny that the RCC has incorporated pagan practices into its practices. The RCC itself admits that it does. The RCC refuses to hear the words of the Lord.

“As for the word that thou hast spoken unto us in the name of the LORD, we will not hearken unto thee. But we will certainly do whatsoever thing goeth forth out of our own mouth, to burn incense unto the queen of heaven, and to pour out drink offerings unto her, as we have done, we, and our fathers, our kings, and our princes, in the cities of Judah, and in the streets of Jerusalem: for then had we plenty of victuals, and were well, and saw no evil.” (Jer.44:16-17)

The RCC will, just as Israel did, experience the wrath of God for disobeying His word. The admonition in Revelation to “come out of her my people” is for those who truly want to listen to God.

45 posted on 06/25/2013 7:16:27 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: marshmallow

The more I see and hear of Dolan, the bigger the fake he is.


46 posted on 06/25/2013 7:17:53 PM PDT by Kakaze (I want The Republic back !)
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To: marshmallow

Hopefully, one of these days you lower level Catholics will wake up...


47 posted on 06/25/2013 7:32:32 PM PDT by Iscool
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