But the Lilith you found is much more photogenic. I prefer her big sister, though.
Posted on 07/10/2013 3:05:50 AM PDT by markomalley
A newspaper column lampooning Southern Baptists, calling the group "the crazy old paranoid uncle of evangelical Christians," is causing quite a stir in a Kentucky city and put a pastor's job in jeopardy.
The column was written by Angela Thomas, the wife of Bill Thomas, an assistant pastor at the First Baptist Church in Madisonville. Her column was done in response to the Southern Baptist Convention's opposition to a new Boy Scouts of America policy that welcomes gay members.
"Sexuality doesn't come up and isn't relative to typical scouting activities but now, thanks to Southern Baptists, the parents of little innocent scouts everywhere are having to have The Talk," she wrote June 19 in The Madisonville Messenger. She writes a weekly humor column for the community paper, which publishes daily.
In the weeks since, the status of Bill Thomas' job with the church has become unclear. The First Baptist pastor said he had accepted Thomas' resignation, but Thomas' wrote in a letter obtained by the newspaper he had not quit.
Thomas has worked at the church for 10 years and was also its musical director.
Bill and Angela Thomas declined to be interviewed by The Associated Press on Tuesday. But he previously told the newspaper he agreed with what his wife wrote.
The column said Southern Baptists have become "raging Shiite Baptists" after drifting "to the right" for the past four decades.
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Why don’t more people get that? I understand the ones on the left, but what is the motivation of those on the right?
Congress shall make no law concerning, its as if they don,t have any idea who congress is.
Neither the left nor the right wants to admit that the first amendment only apply to the law makers of the united states Government.
And that really is absurd because i just barely made it through the 7th grade and have not got much brighter since that time and if it is clear to me then what is the problem with all of the so called educated people.
It has got to be a joke and i am afraid the joke is on me and others like me who take the freedoms our constitution gave us seriously.
But the Lilith you found is much more photogenic. I prefer her big sister, though.
chesley wrote:
“I very seldom say this, but you are totally wrong.
The woman has the right to say whatever she wants. But there are always consequences for our actions. The church disagrees with her at a fundamental level. Should she convert to Islam, would that be enough in your mind for the church to separate itself from this couple?
No one owes anyone anything. The church does not owe her husband a position. And why should it give him one from which to spout views at variance with its own?
“Freedom of speech” is about government interference. ONLY!
Not the responses of private individuals to offensive speech so long as it doesn’t interfere with the lives and property of others.
And that comment about women having bridles in their mouths and short whips, etc. What does that have to do with anything? Totally gratuitous and reveals something about your mind.
The thing is, a married couple is a unit, and the husband is certain positions of responsibility, not just in the church, but in the corporate world, will be judged on his wife’s behavior. Not necessarily as to his character, but as to his suitability to fill that position. There’s nothing wrong with that. Does a corporate officer from GM advise his friends to buy a Ford?”
I guess you haven’t interfaced with many GI wives, have you?
Jay Redhawk wrote:
“Only government is required to respect freedom of speech. Churches, businesses, and other public and private institutions do not have to put up with speech that is derogatory or destructive to their objectives. Her attitude reflects back toward the church, and the church is free to ask her and her husband to leave.”
What you have described is the first premise of ‘groupthink’! Enter church, and check your brain at the door. The pastor will tell you what is expected of you. Freedom of Speech is so a part of our American DNA, that the venerable Mountain Men had a saying:
“The right to swing your fist ends one inch from my nose.”
To enter a church, sit in a pew, not check out what the pastor tells you (which said action is told for you to do in the Pauline letters), and blindly accept his spoonful of a sermon, is ludicrous!
Sure, the two of them, (pastor/wife), are a nuclear unit. However, both the husband, and the wife, are still individual Americans, are they not? They BOTH still have a mind, do they not? or, in your ideas, does the wife ‘check her brain at the door’, and accept the spoonful, from her husband, the pastor? Do you believe that he should do the voting for elected offices and municipal referendums, for her, too?
What's that?
But, if you mean “GM wives”, then no.
But what does that have to do with anything.
I worked for Republic steel once. They had a rule that you could only drive an American automobile on their property. One co-worker had a wife who drove a Toyota. He never brought in on their property, but the plant manager saw her in it one day, and told the man to get rid of the car.
What do you think he did?
Your being ridiculous. If I did not like what a pastor had to say I would find a different church. In this case the church did not care for what the pastor’s wife represented so the church asked them both to leave. The church has a right to do so for whatever reason it chooses.
Americans also have a right to freedom of expression. If a pastor’s wife decided to produce some blasphemous art, would a church be accepted to just simply accept that as her right of expression? What if the pastor’s wife posed for Swank magazine? She has a right to do so, but does the church have to simply accept that? Just like a business a church can fire someone for whatever reason it chooses.
In response to chesley’s ignorance of the term “GI Wives”, and his supposition about a steel plant employee’s wife.
GI Wives - Army Wives, Marine Wives, Navy Wives, Air Force Wives, Coast Guard Wives. Now do you get that?
The employee would do no less better than to have decked that other guy, quit, and found work elsewhere, were he ‘to love his wife, as folks say he should.’
so I was responding to your erroneous comments about free speech.
Why don't you stop being so snarky, and instead explain the relevance so that I can reply properly?
chesley wrote:
(and I snipped it):”Why don’t you stop being so snarky, and instead explain the relevance so that I can reply properly?”
**Ladies and Gentlemen, he asked, so I must answer.**
It is my foundational belief, that, EVERY AMERICAN, has the right to ‘free speech’; in the home, in school; in the office; on the street; and in the place that they congregate for sacred matters, period.
It is not, the ‘right’, for any other person, to tell the one exercising their ‘free speech’, that they have no right to do so, and shut up.
I grew up with this core belief. I served my country to defend this core belief, and I will stand today, to defend that right, to the point that if only one of us walk away, so be it!
No ones rights to free speech are at issue here. The church also has a right to employ those who supports its values and beliefs
Good enough. You are entitled to you opinion. And yet, do you deny that if, say, you were to write something that Jim found offensive, that he wouldn't have the right to bump you off this site?
By the way, I still don't understand the relevance of the "GI wives"??
chesley wrote:
“Good enough. You are entitled to you opinion. And yet, do you deny that if, say, you were to write something that Jim found offensive, that he wouldn’t have the right to bump you off this site? “
He’s da man wi’d da plan, and if I do d’at, , d’en he do d’at wha’ he’s gonna do, and it is -I- who do git myself da’ 10/32 machine screw! So, no, I jes’ mights peek on down da’ edge, but d’ats it!
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