Posted on 07/14/2013 3:02:43 PM PDT by NYer
You’re trying to hijack the thread. Please stick to the topic.
BTW, Heretic is the name used for people who spread false teachings such as the Bible not being the inerrant Word of God.
No problem!
Next time Moses appears to you, go ahead and have a conversation together...
No, that's just the first one you know about. And what in the world does it matter how and when the letters of scripture were bound? Peter himself acknowledged the letters of Paul were scripture.
Then PLEASE give your son my thanks as well. I use your links often. They are a real treasure.
;-)))
Snakes fed. Now I can consider your question. My full exegesis of the proper doctrine of the Veneration of Saints is covered in post number 116.
Go in peace my child.
"So, where does the Bible say we should pray to dead saints? I would ask, Where does the Bible say saints are dead?"
emphasis mine
The Holy Spirit before the foundation of the world.
And every attempt to communicate with those who have passed from this life in scripture was condemned by God. Jesus didn't even allow communication with Moses and Elijah when they appeared. People should get the hint.
“No, that’s just the first one you know about.”
Then provide evidence for an earlier version.
“And what in the world does it matter how and when the letters of scripture were bound?”
Again, read up on Marcion. Marcion is substantial evidence that there did not exist a canon in Apostolic times. Sure, Peter acknowledges that Paul’s writings are authoritative, but he never says, “these writings of Paul’s are authoritative.” He never specifies which ones.
Not praying “to” dead humans. Praying that our “friends” in Heaven pray to Jesus for us. Just as you ask your friend on Earth to pray to Jesus for you.
No, I wasn’t saying I don’t know. I’m just suprised that a Christian is asking when a book written by Peter was published, considering there weren’t all that many publishing houses in jail.
Lol! Good injection of humor...as I am sure that God also has a sense of humor.
“[[citation needed]]”
You need a citation to believe that the New Testament was written by the Apostles!?
“So the only actual extant textual evidence shows this statement to be false.”
Except that, in the case of the Vaticanus, it dates to the 4th century, and we know that the entire New Testament was in use before that time regardless of what the Vaticanus is missing, as seen by Origen, Tertullian, Irenaeus, and many others, all quoting from every book in the New Testament.
If what you said was true, ignoring all the actual early evidence, then the Bible wasn’t written at all until the 4th century.
I’m sure you would be happy with that conclusion, since you’re Catholic, but it’s not accurate.
The catechism of the Catholic church states that Catholics do not pray to saints. Sorry to disappoint you.
2 Timothy 3:14-17
14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
Scripture is all that is needed to be “PERFECT and thoroughly furnished unto ALL good works.” The Word of God is sufficient.
Alas, there is no Latin word for ‘popcorn’!
“We don’t pray “to” the saints as you say. We only ask them to pray for us. Nothing wrong with that, is there.”
Again, not the premise of the article.
The Holy Spirit before the foundation of the world.
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Which men did he guide to carry this out on earth...and when and where was it done?
“BTW, Heretic is the name used for people who spread false teachings such as the Bible not being the inerrant Word of God.”
If only you had legitimate episcopal oversight!
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