Posted on 07/14/2013 3:02:43 PM PDT by NYer
Good grief! What does English have to do with it?
“Because you say so? Obviously, you cannot answer my questions.”
Except I did answer your question which clearly defined what I meant and the scripture that proved it. You didn’t respond to it, except saying that you didn’t see my reply despite me pinging you to it.
So, you can either quote what I said and respond to it, or you can just play games like this.
I’ve debated with you Catholics too many times to keep playing these circular little games where you guys ignore what I say and just keep yapping away.
What do you think?
I think you have raised a good point.
As MAN was made in the image of God, perhaps, as in the case of Lot, he is able to “negotiate” with God, that is, “reason” with God over the “human condition”, versus the “Heavenly”...
I am constantly reflecting upon the various Scriptures which speak of “negotiations” with God and Jesus.
The Samaritan women, speaking of the scraps which dogs may feed upon...
Lot, arguing with Angels concerning the number of righteous individuals in Sodom...
We mortals assign “virtue” to humans - Mother Teresa - for example.
I believe that these “virtues” are “recognized” in Heaven.
And THAT, is why, WE pray to the SAINTS...
Because they had it in Aramaic, Hebrew or Greek, correct?
LOL! And to think we need it in English. It wasn’t even in Latin at that time. Pinging annalex for dates on the Clementina Vulgate.
Isn’t every single living Christian a sinner?
....will consider your question fully after I finish feeding the poison snakes and rinsing out the Clorox and Strychnine bottles for the next service, my brother.
“When’s the first time that they were put together as a bible in the form that we are familiar with today?”
“In the form”? What does that mean? If you look at Polycarp, or Ignatius, or Irenaeus, who seemed to have the entire collection of the New Testament already together with which they quoted from, if all you’re asking about is when they were “together,” I would have to say: right away. But as to “codexes” or the “form,” which I take you to mean their outward appearance without regard to content... who knows, and who cares?
Yes, and we ask them to pray in the name of the only mediator.
As was every saint who ever lived. So what's your point?
If we can ask sinners on Earth to pray to Jesus for us, why wouldn’t we want to ask those saints already in Heaven to do the same for us?
“What does that mean?”
When did the NT appear with all the books that you’re familiar with, bound together in a bible?
“which I take you to mean their outward appearance without regard to content.”
So you don’t regard the NT development of the Canon as crucial to scriptural teachings? That’s an interesting position. “The books don’t matter so long as they teach Christ.”
Where Does the Bible Say We Should Pray to Dead Saints?
Miraculous story of Claude Newman & his conversion through the intercession of Mary (Cath Caucus)
Catholic Word of the Day: INTERCESSION, 10-24-11
Sheen Intercession Cited in Area Boy's Alleged Miraculous Healing
[Ecumenical]Lent through Eastertide -Divine Mercy Diary Exerpts: Intercession-saints, Earth & Heaven
The Intercession of the Saints [Church Fathers on the Saints in Heaven Who Intercede on Our Behalf]
Indiana Man Writes Book About 19th-Century Nun [Baptist healed after praying for nun's intercession]
The Intercession of the Saints [Church Fathers]
Seminarian may owe his life to Cardinal Van Thuan's intercession
[CATHOLIC CAUCUS] Benedict XVI at Angelus: Mary's mission of salvation and intercession continues..
Relevancy of Defending Life: Experience of a Culture of Death (Intercession, Fathers of the Unborn)
Pope: Let us invoke the intercession of Mary for world peace and for all priests (Cath Caucus)
Catholic Biblical Apologetics: The Communion of Saints: The Intercession of the Saints
Catholic Caucus: The Spiritual Combat: Ch 50. ...THE INTERCESSION OF THE SAINTS AND THE ANGELS
Catholic Caucus: The Spiritual Combat: Ch 48. A METHOD OF PRAYER BASED ON THE INTERCESSION OF...
The Intercession of the Saints for a Little Girl (Neat Little Story, Catholic Caucus)
The Early Church Fathers on Intercession of the Saints - Catholic/Orthodox Caucus
You might be better off with the Gutenberg Vulgate, published 100 years prior to the reformation. ;)
“So you don’t regard the NT development of the Canon as crucial to scriptural teachings? That’s an interesting position.”
You usually do this when you are losing the argument. You put words in my mouth and run with it. I’m not playing that game this time.
He rested on the 7th day.
“You usually do this when you are losing the argument. You put words in my mouth and run with it. I’m not playing that game this time.”
You mentioned codexes. Which was the first codex published with the NT Canon in the modern form?
“Where does the Catholic church teach that we pray “to” the Saints in heaven?”
I dunno as I’m not catholic. I was asking because of the article and what other posters have said.
This is false.
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Wouldn’t that actually be an assumption on your part too then...particularly given what transpired at the Transfiguration?
I don’t pray TO them. I ask them to pray / intercede for me.
“When did the Church have access to the New Testament in the form that we have it today?”
Well the ESV was available in 2001.
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