Posted on 07/14/2013 3:02:43 PM PDT by NYer
That’s a wonderful reflection you have contributed. Remember in the Scriptures where it describes the Transfiguration of Jesus to Peter, John and James (Luke 9)? I believe that Moses and Elijah (who had already passed on) appeared at that time as well and were talking with Jesus. They were talking about the Exodus that Jesus was going to undertake in Jerusalem. Certainly there is communication going on in heaven as well. What do you think? Why wouldn’t such great and holy men be interceding for us now...we all definitely need it these days.
We ask the souls in heaven and in Purgatory to pray for us. That’s not calling up someone to chit-chat with them. And remember that the soul is alive, even though the body is dead.
The body will be reunited with the soul at the Final Judgment.
Still no date. You would think that if the bible were in fact the sole repository of truth that you’d be able to staple an exact date that the first bible appeared.
“Why wouldn’t such great and holy men be interceding for us now...”
And yet, this remains an argument from silence.
Further, it assumes they possess some access or power in prayer that every Christian does not have. This is false.
Many are deceived because they do not have the entire Bible. Read first and second Maccabbees.
“Still no date.”
You’re trolling me, as usual. I wrote “most of it being produced before the destruction of the Jewish Temple” (this occurred in 70AD FYI) “with perhaps a few stragglers from John’s work, who lived after the temple’s destruction” (70AD+).
I can’t help you if you refuse to read the facts.
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Actually I AM looking for facts. The FACT is that there is nowhere in the Bible where it tells us...
1. That the Bible ALONE is our source of Teaching.
2. That the Bible is the pillar of truth for us.
If what you say is truth, then the Bible should state it as well.
One cannot declare oneself to be a saint. As far as I know, God has not spoken directly to anyone but Moses (and that is doubtful).
In the cases of sainthood, it was always a man who declared someone a saint. What can a man know? He is only human.
I just don't get it and I don't get the concept of popes either.
“Many are deceived because they do not have the entire Bible. Read first and second Maccabbees.”
Pope Gregory the First, quoting Maccabees:
“Concerning which thing we do nothing irregularly, if we adduce a testimony from the books, which although not canonical are published for the edification of the people. For Eleazar wounding an elephant in battle, slew him, but fell under him whom he had destroyed.” — Morals, book 19, on 39th chap, of Job.
I mean it’s not like we haven’t had this debate dozens of times, with you being refuted by your own Popes and Bishops, and yet you guys still continue making the same assertions as if you hope that we will suddenly become ignorant of history.
Romanism, unfortunately, depends entirely upon ignorance in order to spread itself.
It doesn’t.
When asked by His disciples to teach them to pray, Jesus taught them (us) to pray to the Father.
He gave no instructions otherwise.
For those protestants who insist that Jesus is their only mediator, does that mean you have never asked a friend or a family member to pray for you?
The reason the Church’s teaching on the communion of saints doesn’t contradict the Scripture you cited is because all who are alive, in heaven, are alive “in Christ”. So their intercessory prayer points to ( is directed towards and through) Jesus. So indeed, He is the only mediator between us (all humans) and God the Father.
Note, that’s exactly what that Scripture says: it describes Jesus as the mediator between us and the FATHER.
God the Son is the mediator between man and God, indeed even in his person, for he has both a human nature and a divine nature.
So again, those who are “in Him” point to Him in their prayers. And who else would they pray for other than us here on earth. They certainly need no more prayer for themselves.
That simply states that you cannot change what is in the Bible...it does NOT say that the Bible alone is our source of Teaching.
Also, where does the Bible state that it is the pillar of truth.
I don’t think that Jesus came to establish the Bible...but rather the Church.
Elijah didn't die, but there is nothing in Scripture to indicate that he can do anything from heaven.
According to the bible every single living Christian.
Then you need a bigger God.
Regarding my looking for facts to support that the Bible ALONE is our source of Teaching, you stated:
No you’re not.
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Because you say so? Obviously, you cannot answer my questions.
Again, individual books. When’s the first time that they were put together as a bible in the form that we are familiar with today?
You seem very reticent about it. Could it be that the Church predates the bible?
....and I understand they couldn't speak English, either! Perhaps for them, Heaven has become a sort of Baptist Bible Camp?
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