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Dispelling the Anti-Mormon Myth
The Fledgling's Tale ^ | 7/31/13 | Jen

Posted on 08/01/2013 7:59:33 AM PDT by colorcountry

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To: aMorePerfectUnion

Greetings ampu...


21 posted on 08/01/2013 9:25:45 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: elcid1970; colorcountry; All
The Mormons I have met are decent, well educated, intelligent, and neighbor-friendly

I was born into mormonism in a heavily mormon area in which I knew mormons who were drunks, thieves, pedophiles, adulterers and instead of neighbor-friendly were back-biting and judgmental.

In other words, having lived in several locations where mormons were plentiful, I found that mormons are NOT any different from any other group of people except in their tendency to consider themselves superior because of the claim to have the "restored" gospel and "the one and only true church on the face of the earth" and continually exhibit the arrogance that comes from that supposed "superiority".

mormon.org "The True and Living Church

Leave it alone..mormon style

You ask "Why are they so deceived?" I ask, why are so many Christians fooled by the false face presented by mormons to the world?

22 posted on 08/01/2013 9:25:56 AM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Mormonism is the only religion that teaches God will forcibly separate your family after you die.)
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To: colorcountry

"If you call me anti-mormon, I will send it back."
"If you give me a FALSE Christ, I will send it back."
"If you try to pawn off a FALSE gospel of works, I will send it back."
"If you try to get me to believe in millions of mormonic gods, I will send them all back."

-Anthony Grotti, The Office


23 posted on 08/01/2013 9:29:17 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws. - Tacituss)
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To: jimt
You know after all this time of defending Mormonism, its tenants and beliefs etc. the fact they you yourself have clearly said it is your spouse that is LDS not you truly undermines your attempts a rebuttal...

This type post by you is just silly...

24 posted on 08/01/2013 9:34:45 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: Vigilanteman

Was there a point in there some where?


25 posted on 08/01/2013 9:36:02 AM PDT by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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To: SZonian; colorcountry; Vigilanteman; jimt
I was on the varsity debate squad for a leading university during my early years as an undergraduate.

One of the greatest sins you could make in a tournament, almost always promptly resulting in a loss of the contest, was resorting to ad hominem arguments ... attacking the motives or character of an individual rather than rebutting the validity of their position.

The dismissive use of the term anti-Mormon is a classic example of this loathsome practice.

It is done out of desperation.

In all of my many years of challenging the Saints with annotated facts, I have never had one instance where a Mormon was able to even minimally refute a major issue such as: the anachronisms in their scriptures; the contradictions between their scriptures; the additions and deletions to their scriptures; vast changes in their fundamental beliefs; the false prophesies made by their founders and early church members; and their sordid past.

And, of course, this is exactly why, at the present time, the Church is conducting a FAIR conference focusing on the topic of doubt by Mormons who are finally exposed to these facts regarding their faith.

26 posted on 08/01/2013 9:46:41 AM PDT by Zakeet (Democrats: Making everything free in this country except you)
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To: elcid1970

Because the Good Book tells me that in the last days even the very elect are in danger of being deceived......


27 posted on 08/01/2013 9:46:42 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: elcid1970; colorcountry; greyfoxx39; Elsie; aMorePerfectUnion; SZonian; All
Nephites
Lamanites

I'm SO glad you responded as you did...especially on a thread entitled: Dispelling the Anti-Mormon Myth

Well, yesterday I happened to be reviewing the word/topical index in the back of the 1990 Mormon church published "triple 'scriptures'" (Book of Mormon, Doctrine & Covenants, Pearl of Great Price) under the entry Lamanites.

Allow me to post the index entry as it's found on p.200:
"Alma 23:17 (24:3) Lamanite converts take new name, Anti-Nephite Lehies"

ALL: I kid you NOT!!!

Joseph Smith...in a "time period" supposedly between 90 and 77 B.C....inserts the gold plate etcher as supposedly saying in the Book of Alma:
* "And it came to pass that they called their names Anti-Nephi-Lehies; and they were called by this name and were no more called Lamanites." (Alma 23:17)
* Alma 24:1 talks about those who "had not taken upon them the name of Anti-Nephi-Lehi"
* Alma 24:2 mentions how people "took up arms against the people of Anti-Nephi-Lehi"
* Alma 24:3 says "Now the king conferred the kingdom upon his son, and he called his name Anti-Nephi-Lehi."

Oh, sure.

Pre-Christ Native Americans readily id'd selves as "Anti-Nephi-Lehies."

I believe it. Don't y'all?

/NOT!

(But I do have some parcels of land in Anti-Nephi-Lehi land I want you to consider buying sight unseen...based upon your implicit trust in my ability to describe this land to you in narrative detail)

Quite obviously, Mormons LOVE to label people as "Antis"...from their very founder on down!

28 posted on 08/01/2013 9:51:51 AM PDT by Colofornian (Mormons LOVE to label people as 'Antis'...just read 'bout the 'Anti-Nephi-Lehies' in Book of Mormon!)
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To: Zakeet; SZonian; colorcountry; All
In all of my many years of challenging the Saints with annotated facts, I have never had one instance where a Mormon was able to even minimally refute a major issue such as: the anachronisms in their scriptures...

I spent some time recently further pondering such anachronisms...This was mostly "first-hand" research...not simply reading what others who've had issues with MormonISM...but digging DIRECTLY (primarily) into Mormon church published stuff...

Mormons, take a look yourself in this same way:

* In Alma 36:18, supposedly written 73 years prior to Christ's birth, we see this phrase: "Oh, Jesus thou Son of God, have mercy on me." [Really?]
* In 2 Nephi 9:18, supposedly written in 6th century B.C....the character talks about how others "endured the crosses of the world"
* We have a Democratic principle of how "law...must be established by the voice of the people" in 87 B.C. (Alma 2:3)
* Or in 67 BC we get phrases like "yielded to the standard of liberty...are compelled to hoist the title of liberty upon their towers and in their cities..." (Alma 51:20)
* What 1850s Utah Mormons couldn't have was supposedly in abundance in 90 B.C.: "wearing costly apparel" (Alma 1:32) consisting of "silk and fine-twined linen" (Alma 1:29)
* Also Alma 1: Did the gold-etcher REALLY use the word "ignominious" as an adjective in 90 B.C.? (Alma 1:15)
* And all this resurrection of the dead stuff in 83 BC? (Alma 4:14; see also being filled with great joy because of resurrection of dead -- Alma 5:14)
* John the Baptist language in same BC period? (Alma 5:50)
* Or compare Alma 7:14 to John 3...
* Or, if Alma 7:20 was written in "reformed Egyptian" -- how did it happen that the ENGLISH word "right" (used two different ways) is utilized as a play-on-words that works ONLY in English?
* Or how did BC Alma 7:24 look like Paul's 1 Cor. 13?
* Or how did they produce cement in BC times (Alma 9:28; see also Helaman 3:7,11)
* We see "church joining" in 120-100 BC times, eh? (Mosiah 26:14)
* Steel in Ether 7:9...or breakable windows in Ether 2:23...which supposedly was even earlier BC wise than all the above...

29 posted on 08/01/2013 10:11:33 AM PDT by Colofornian (Mormons LOVE to label people as 'Antis'...just read 'bout the 'Anti-Nephi-Lehies' in Book of Mormon!)
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To: colorcountry
Remember: when you see the bitter apostate, you do not see only an absence of light, you see also the presence of darkness. Do not spread disease germs! - Boyd K. Packer

Hey there Boyd!

What about ME??

A fella that never WAS a deceived MORMON??

30 posted on 08/01/2013 10:13:29 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: colorcountry
This goes out to all who have born the label “anti-Mormon.” CHRISTIAN!
31 posted on 08/01/2013 10:14:11 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Zakeet
Well bully for you! I was on a debating team once, too!

Some of us take this purpose statement of Free Republic at its word:

Free Republic is the premier online gathering place for independent, grass-roots conservatism on the web. We're working to roll back decades of governmental largesse, to root out political fraud and corruption, and to champion causes which further conservatism in America. And we always have fun doing it. Hoo-yah!

So tell me how your mindless "How many angels can stand on the head of a pin?" debates do anything to further conservatism in America?

Particularly when the rest of us aren't even interested in arguing with your ilk. You don't win a debate just because we ignore you.

My apologies for paying you any attention and crashing in on your pity party. Now, I'm back to ignoring you as I should have done in the first place.

32 posted on 08/01/2013 10:15:08 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: colorcountry
Remember: when you see the bitter apostate, you do not see only an absence of light, you see also the presence of darkness. Do not spread disease germs! - Boyd K. Packer

Everyone else; when you hear a MORMON speak; remember what MORMONism is founded upon:


Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).
Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).
 
 
 
Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses 5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses 8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses 8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses 10:230).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).
 
 
 
Orson Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses
, vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).
 
 
President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).
 
 
 
James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).
 
 
 
President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).
 
 
 
More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).
 
 
 
President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).
 
 
President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).

33 posted on 08/01/2013 10:16:31 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SZonian

I do think there is room for the use of terms like “church critic” to describe a person who sets forth well thought out analyses of doctrine, history, or practice. But I think anti-mormon is still useful, especially in describing those who make a cottage industry out of their discourse, especially when it is markedly hostile.


34 posted on 08/01/2013 10:28:14 AM PDT by Burkean (.)
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To: elcid1970
Why are they so deceived?

1. Some were born into it and it is their CULTURE as well.
2. Some do not have a cursory knowledge of what the BIBLE has taught for centuries asnd bought into what the missionaries told them.
3. Some were LoveBombed into the cult and have not had time yet to completely find out what they have chosen.

Bottom line is this...



2 Corinthians 11:12-15

12. But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
13. For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 14. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.



 

Did God REALLY say...


35 posted on 08/01/2013 10:31:24 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SZonian
It’s an incendiary word that is already loaded with negative connotations that arouses in people a reflexive response....

Yup; like calling someone a RACIST or a HATER or a BIGOT.

It deflects the 'anti' away from examineing the falsity of whatever is being exosed, and into a defensive mode of trying to prove that they AIN'T what they just been called!


Homie don't play dat!

36 posted on 08/01/2013 10:34:39 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SZonian
"The anti Mormons here have blood on their hands....... they are the scum left from the Mormon killers of old."

From someone who apparently APPROVED of the antics of the Danites - Porter Rockwell - and/or Friends of the Utes??



37 posted on 08/01/2013 10:36:03 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Vigilanteman
Now, go back to preaching to your worthless little faction.

Ah...

The love just oozes!


"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;

and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,

and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.

Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)



Have a great ETERNITY!!

38 posted on 08/01/2013 10:37:40 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Vigilanteman
"Some Mormons Search the Web and Find Doubt."

While others search it and find Truth.

39 posted on 08/01/2013 10:49:12 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: jimt
Poor ol' Jim.

NEVER has anything to add other than his 3 minute mantra...


The "Hates" (two-minutes hate and hate week) were inspired by the constant rallies sponsored by party organs throughout the Stalinist period. These were often short pep-talks given to workers before their shifts began ((two minutes hate), but could also last for days, as in the annual celebrations of the anniversary of the October revolution (hate week).


(Mormonism tends to inflate EVERYTHING!)

40 posted on 08/01/2013 10:54:32 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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