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To: ebb tide
I am a Roman Catholic. And will obey the Pope always when he speaks ex cathedra on faith or morals.

On other matters, such as permitting homos as priests or respecting the teachings and values of Islam, I have the option to respectively disagree.

LOL, check your catechism. You may question, but not disagree. And the Church decides WHAT you may question, and WHAT the answers to your questions are. If you reject these constraints, you are rejecting the authority of the Church. If you cannot accept the teachings, you require confession, penance, and contrition, as well as prayer about your stubbornness and ego.

YOU do not decide the teachings of the Church. You want to play it both ways - you want to choose what to follow and what not to follow, and at the same time you want to hide behind the Church's teachings and not own them as your own when that conveniences you. And you want to claim the Church supports you in this.

Hey, I don't really care what you do. But instead of being a CINO, why don't you find your integrity and just accept that you're a Protestant. Because the issue is extremely simple - obedience. Catholics are obedient, period. And to strip out the Pope and claim to be a Catholic is the very definition of hypocrity.

15 posted on 08/03/2013 4:12:08 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: Talisker

Not every opinion of the pope carries the weight of Catholic doctrine.


17 posted on 08/03/2013 4:15:06 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (</sarcasm>)
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To: Talisker

” Catholics are obedient, period.”

You might mention this to most of the world’s catholics, which seem to ignore what they do not like - including not showing up except for weddings and funerals.


19 posted on 08/03/2013 4:25:26 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws - Tacituss)
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To: Talisker

Um... I’m sorry, but do you know the catechism?

The reason I asked, is it spells out that what ebb tide says is particularly true:

A. Homosexuals are NOT allowed to be priests, and that by practicing homosexual sex they are sinning, and that unless they confess their sins and pay penance—which includes no more homosexual sex, they are no longer Catholics.

B. Islam is not preached against in the catechism, but the catechism states that ONLY through Jesus does any human gain salvation period. So yeah, it we may be asked to respect Islamics, we KNOW that Islam is not—and never will be—the Way. The only Way is through Jesus Christ (hold on to your hat) Our (Catholic, Protestant and Orthodox) Lord.

Those two points are straight from the catechism, which spells out Catholic doctrine.

Catholic doctrine is set by a cooperation or overlap of Bible, Apostolic teaching, and Papal authority.

All 3 must be in agreement.

To make a Doctrinal change which contradicts Scripture and Apostolic teaching (called “Holy Tradition” with a capital “T”) the Pope would essentially have to single handedly re-write portions of the bible AND history.

I believe he is guided by the Holy Spirit, like many true Christian leaders are today. Therefore, he will not even attempt to make such a change. You belief may differ, but that is mine, fully stated.


26 posted on 08/03/2013 4:54:02 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Talisker

“LOL, check your catechism. You may question, but not disagree. And the Church decides WHAT you may question, and WHAT the answers to your questions are.

My catechism doesn’t say anything about permitting the ordaining of homos; nor does it say anything about respecting the teachings and values of Islam.

Whose catechism are you reading? Rembert Weakland’s? Or is it Bernadin’s “Seamless Garment” catechism?


42 posted on 08/03/2013 7:20:47 PM PDT by ebb tide
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To: Talisker; ebb tide
Hey, I don't really care what you do. But instead of being a CINO, why don't you find your integrity and just accept that you're a Protestant. Because the issue is extremely simple - obedience. Catholics are obedient, period. And to strip out the Pope and claim to be a Catholic is the very definition of hypocrity.

Would you have given this same advice to a Roman Catholic under Pope Alexander VI? Would you have commanded Cardinal della Rovere to do the same?

52 posted on 08/03/2013 9:03:27 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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