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Catholic Fisticuffs: Look How Those Christians Shove One Another
Patheos ^
| September 3, 2013
| Kathy Schiffer
Posted on 09/04/2013 12:04:32 PM PDT by Alex Murphy
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Its been quite a belligerent weekend in the Catholic blogosphere, hasnt it?...Two seemingly unrelated dust-ups, but with a common element: In both cases the flames of discord were fanned by traditional Catholics. Its ironic, isnt it, that the traditionaliststhe very group which purports to defend the Church from transgressorswould so insistently work to separate Catholics one from the other? That their comments would be characterized, not by genuine caring for their fellow believers with whom they disagree, but with pride and venom?
To: Alex Murphy
And if youre one of those who believe you can catch more flies with honey, rather than by whacking them over the head with a frying pan This is a classic case of false dichotomy.
The religions of the world that are currently growing are the ones that are being more demanding of their followers.
The ones that are dying are the ones using honey to be syrupy sweet in an effort to be "inclusive."
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posted on
09/04/2013 12:11:00 PM PDT
by
ClaytonP
To: Alex Murphy
Alex, I’m bemused by your wall-to-wall coverage of this controversy. My traditionalist-filled Facebook wall isn’t nearly so thorough. ;)
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posted on
09/04/2013 12:14:29 PM PDT
by
Claud
To: Alex Murphy
A real good old fashioned brouhaha!
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posted on
09/04/2013 12:15:07 PM PDT
by
Gamecock
(Many Atheists take the stand: "There is no God AND I hate Him.")
To: Alex Murphy
I had never heard of Patheos before, and after skimming through their website, I’m still not sure what they stand for.
To: Claud
The Catholic traditionalist with whom I’m most familiar is Charles Coulombe, and he has always struck me as a man with a sense of humor, far from the surly stereotype described by the author of this piece.
To: Claud
Alex, Im bemused by your wall-to-wall coverage of this controversy. My traditionalist-filled Facebook wall isnt nearly so thorough. ;) I'm amused by the coordinated "wall of silence" on the subject.
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posted on
09/04/2013 12:37:04 PM PDT
by
Alex Murphy
(Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
To: Alex Murphy; All
Oh my goodness, do you guess it's going to get so bad they'll be in court fighting over real estate like a bunch of Presbyterians?
Things won't get really interesting, though, until after this program later today.
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posted on
09/04/2013 12:39:51 PM PDT
by
Rashputin
(Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
To: Rashputin
Oh my goodness, do you guess it's going to get so bad they'll be in court fighting over real estate like a bunch of Presbyterians? There's always bankruptcy court, if you prefer.
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posted on
09/04/2013 12:44:31 PM PDT
by
Alex Murphy
(Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
To: Alex Murphy
I do prefer the bankruptcy court since it puts things back to square one.
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posted on
09/04/2013 12:47:11 PM PDT
by
Rashputin
(Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
To: Alex Murphy
What post on CA troubles? They sent their appealed to me as i once posted there, but was banned for life by some mod whom i think misses the Inquisition, for countering an RC rant against Prots. But they still want money from me.
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posted on
09/04/2013 12:47:18 PM PDT
by
daniel1212
(Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
To: Alex Murphy
You smoked us out: it’s a coordinated effort. We also suppressed the whole traditionalist controversy in the mommy blogs that happened a while back. Whoa Nelly....remember that? No? You don’t keep up with the mommy blogs?
Whew, ok good. Never mind!
You know it’s possible that some of us just don’t give a flying flip about “blog controversies.”
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posted on
09/04/2013 1:00:39 PM PDT
by
Claud
To: Alex Murphy
Try to keep it in perspective please. We aren't lobbing chemical weapons, calling in air-strikes, or moving armor into position like some religions. While it's disheartening that we sometimes resort to the gauche and low form of "discussion" that so mars our times, let's not be so emotional that we start calling it something it isn't.
Common ground is not found by resorting to hyperbole.
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posted on
09/04/2013 1:18:32 PM PDT
by
Durus
(You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
To: daniel1212; Alex Murphy
I think I prefer the inquisition to the higher critics and creation-deniers at “Catholic Answers.”
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posted on
09/04/2013 1:32:46 PM PDT
by
Zionist Conspirator
(The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
To: Steve_Seattle; jrny; Antoninus
Yeah, I like Charles. And I agree. It is a stereotype, but there are definitely surly traditionalists, and we might well ask ourselves why.
Suppose we completely ban the Novus Ordo Mass starting today for....oh...15 years or so and then for another couple decades tolerate it extremely begrudgingly. We’ll treat people like complete freaks for asking for it, make them drive hours to find it in some unused storefront or completely inadequate space. Let’s see exactly how non-trads manage to stay sunny and optimistic after all that, and then we can complain about surly trads.
I’m not going to apologize for everything traditionalists do. But for Pete’s sake, they had their holiest and most precious possession on earth stolen from them and have been treated like garbage for decades. All completely improperly (illegally?) I might add, since Pope Benedict has now definitively established that the traditional Mass *was never abrogated*.
People find trads surly? Great. Offer it up. And maybe think about how the rest of us helped make them that way.
I have been able to attend 2 wonderful traditional parishes because of all the sacrifices and hard work the surly folks made over the years while being treated like garbage by their fellow Catholics. My old parish was started by a disaffected group and was eventually sold to the diocese and regularized. My new one is FSSP, which as you know splintered off of the SSPX.
As for this Voris/Catholic Answers blog “war”/pillowfight....meh. Whatever.
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posted on
09/04/2013 1:37:55 PM PDT
by
Claud
To: Claud
Really good comment. I feel a little less surly already.
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posted on
09/04/2013 1:42:07 PM PDT
by
steve86
(Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
To: Alex Murphy
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posted on
09/04/2013 1:42:56 PM PDT
by
Salvation
("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
To: Salvation
six Made you change hands!
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posted on
09/04/2013 1:43:38 PM PDT
by
Alex Murphy
(Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
To: Claud
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posted on
09/04/2013 2:21:47 PM PDT
by
Diago
To: Claud
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09/04/2013 2:21:47 PM PDT
by
Diago
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