Francis: War is Always a Defeat for Humanity (100,000+ attend Vatican vigil)

To: HoosierDammit

“Vietnam did the much of the same here, and bred the Baby Boomers into a generation of cynics.”

Not so.

101 posted on 09/08/2013 9:14:37 PM PDT by dsc (Any attempt to move a government to the left is a crime against humanity.)

The severe problems that lead to war... all stem from our fallen nature... therefore it is not some theological stretch to say that war is a failure of humanity.

And what problem is moving into Syria going to solve exactly?

102 posted on 09/09/2013 4:35:52 AM PDT by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)

And yours shows a lack of concern with the facts.

Yes the pope(s) at that time urged dialog, what dialog could there really be between Christian nations and the govt of Adolph Hitler ? of whom in 1933 Goebbels wrote was”deeply religious but entirely anti-Christian.” and that same govt made Alfred Rosenberg “Reich Minister for the Occupied Eastern Territories”

sorry the milk toast statements and urging to diplomacy by the pope have no more soundness than Chamberlains “Peace in OUR time” diplomacy.

Your call to a conspiracy theory of a play is not particularly helpful either.

To put it bluntly soft words in the 30’s begat bombs in the 40’s

Both pope(s) may well have not wished to see nazi and fascists rise but did not press the issue greatly. In fact the negotiated a “separate peace” with Mussolini in 1929 “Lateran Treaty” in which The Pope was pledged to perpetual neutrality in international relations.

That it is not pleasant to see history as the story of people making good and poor decisions, does not mean one should just ignore the effects of those decisions.

103 posted on 09/09/2013 8:33:46 AM PDT by Bidimus1

Il Papa is correct.

May God be praised for three great Popes in a row.

Almighty, true and incomparable God,
You are present in all things,
yet in no way limited by them.
You remain unaffected by place,
untouched by time,
unperturbed by years,
and undeceived by words.
You are not subject to birth
and in no need of protection.
You are beyond all corruption,
above all change,
immutable by nature.
You live in unapproachable light
and are invisible,
yet You are known to all those
who seek You with hope and love.
You are the God of Israel,
and of all who hope in Christ.

Amen.

104 posted on 09/09/2013 5:27:24 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)

To: humblegunner

Crowd like that, food vendors would have made out quite well. Pope Fail.

Actually, I think that he is rather succeeding quite well. It's the naysayers that are disappointed.

105 posted on 09/09/2013 5:29:23 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)

Hate to be the one who breaks it to you, but your Pope is very wrong. War often solves severe problems, and God has used it for His purposes many times. The Pope is apparently neither a student of history nor scripture...

Just ask the Afghans. War has settled their hash once or twice, right?

106 posted on 09/09/2013 5:32:21 PM PDT by MarkBsnr (I would not believe in the Gospel, if the authority of the Catholic Church did not move me to do so.)

To: humblegunner; NYer

Silly. You think he should have called for the restaurants to close down, confiscated picnic baskets and banned vendors?

And if he had, people would be saying "Santa Shari'a! --- this is like Riyadh during Ramadan!"

Poor Pope Francis, he can't win fer losin'

107 posted on 09/11/2013 7:09:02 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("You can observe a lot just by watchin'." - Yogi Berra)

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