Posted on 09/07/2013 2:27:28 PM PDT by NYer
And Martin Luther supported bigamy. When did you get the misread that a Pope was incapable of making a mistake?
Again, are you standing with the Pope for peace, or with Obama and al-Quaeda for war?
“When did you get the misread that a Pope was incapable of making a mistake?”
Why did you justify idolatry and receiving pagan blessings before admitting your Pope engaged in damnable behavior with heretics? Do you think it is okay for members of other religions to pray with the Pope for the “peace of all gods,” and place their idols in what is supposed to be a Christian church?
Pope Pius XI, Mortalium Animos (# 2), Jan. 6, 1928: “For which reason conventions, meetings and addresses are frequently arranged by these persons, at which a large number of listeners are present, and at which all without distinction are invited to join in the discussion, both infidels of every kind, and Christians, even those who have unhappily fallen away from Christ or who with obstinacy and pertinacity deny His divine nature and mission. Certainly such attempts can nowise be approved by Catholics, founded as they are on that false opinion which considers all religions to be more or less good and praiseworthy, since they all in different ways manifest and signify that sense which is inborn in us all, and by which we are led to the obedient acknowledgment of His rule. Not only are those who hold this opinion in error and deceived, but also in distorting the idea of true religion they reject it, and little by little, turn aside to naturalism and atheism, as it is called; from which it clearly follows that one who supports those who hold these theories and attempt to realize them, is altogether abandoning the divinely revealed religion.”
Pope Pius XI, Mortalium Animos (# 10): “So, Venerable Brethren, it is clear why this Apostolic See has never allowed its subjects to take part in the assemblies of nonCatholics…”
St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica, Pt. I-II, Q. 103, A. 4: “All ceremonies are professions of faith, in which the interior worship of God consists. Now man can make profession of his inward faith, by deeds as well as by words: and in either profession, if he make a false declaration, he sins mortally.”
St. Thomas Aquinas, Summa Thelogica, Pt. II-II, Q. 12, A. 1, Obj. 2: “...if anyone were to... worship at the tomb of Mahomet, he would be deemed an apostate.”
Compare:
John Paul II, Address, May 22, 2002: “Praise to you, followers of Islam… Praise to you, Jewish people… Praise especially to you, Orthodox Church…”
John Paul II, Redemptoris Missio (# 55), Dec. 7, 1990:
“God… does not fail to make himself present in many ways, not only to individuals but also to entire peoples through their spiritual riches, of which their religions are the
main and essential expression…”
False dilemma. I oppose war in Syria because there are no good guys there. Both sides are vicious killers from differing sects of Islam. I didn’t serve in the US military, nor do I wish to fund it, as a mercenary army for muslim extremists.
However, the idea that war is always wrong, that war doesn’t solve anything, that only peace brings peace is nuts. Your church opposed the war in Iraq, which was a very good war in terms of protecting the USA from murdering terrorists - we killed them in Iraq by the tens of thousands. Better there, than in our schools one at a time!
WW2, Korea, Vietnam (yes, Vietnam), Iraq 1 & 2, Afghanistan - these were wars fought with good reason. Kosovo & Grenada were questionable, at best. War is not always a defeat for humanity, since it is a way of ridding evil from the world. It also is used by the Sovereign God to do His will, in ways we don’t always anticipate. (Nor does He always let us in on what He is doing).
“above all humanity, made in the image and likeness of God, is one family, in which relationships are marked by a true fraternity not only in words: the other person is a brother or sister to love, and our relationship with God, who is love, fidelity and goodness, mirrors every human relationship and brings harmony to the whole of creation”
What does scripture say? Are we all children of God?
“You used to live in sin, just like the rest of the world, obeying the devil—the commander of the powers in the unseen world. He is the spirit at work in the hearts of those who refuse to obey God. 3 All of us used to live that way, following the passionate desires and inclinations of our sinful nature. By our very nature we were subject to God’s anger, just like everyone else.”
While anyone can repent, most do not. And those men seek to do THEIR father’s work.
“Everyone must submit to governing authorities. For all authority comes from God, and those in positions of authority have been placed there by God. 2 So anyone who rebels against authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and they will be punished. 3 For the authorities do not strike fear in people who are doing right, but in those who are doing wrong. Would you like to live without fear of the authorities? Do what is right, and they will honor you. 4 The authorities are God’s servants, sent for your good. But if you are doing wrong, of course you should be afraid, for they have the power to punish you. They are God’s servants, sent for the very purpose of punishing those who do what is wrong. 5 So you must submit to them, not only to avoid punishment, but also to keep a clear conscience.”
Those servants of God include the military, if the government is influenced by godly men. And with all its current faults, America is still much more Christian than countries like Afghanistan, Egypt - or Syria. That doesn’t mean we should attack every other country, but we should also not shrink from the godly application of force to do godly things. The problem with Syria is that there is no side worthy of help.
“Nope. I benefit, every day, as do you”.
Oh, I see, without WW2 we would be speaking German or Japanese. Sorry, almost forgot.
Your opinion.
That is at the end of the age.
Pray that the House will do the right thing and say NO to Obama.
“Even so, the Bush policies retain one huge advantage over Obama’s: They hang together. That’s because they all flowed from principles he had laid out in public.
In his book “Decision Points,” the former president describes these principles this way:
“First, make no distinction between the terrorists and the nations that harbor them — and hold both to account. Second, take the fight to the enemy overseas before they can attack us here at home again. Third, confront threats before they fully materialize. And fourth, advance liberty and hope as an alternative to the enemy’s ideology of repression and fear.”
http://nypost.com/2013/09/05/bams-policies-leaves-longing-for-decisive-w/
Again, are you standing with the Pope for peace, or with Obama and al-Quaeda for war?
Again, are you standing with the Pope for peace, or with Obama and al-Quaeda for war?
The pope and Obama are on the same side in my opinion.
Your question is a false dilemma. There are more than 2 choices, and I’ve already explained my views. The Pope is NOT “for peace”, because he rejects the means by which peace is usually brought about.
Syria is not “at peace” right now. I oppose attacking it, but it is not at peace. Nor should the US be the policeman of the world. We should fight, however, when it is in our interests - such as in Iraq 1 & 2, and Afghanistan.
The Pope has been muttering like a drunk fool. “All we are saying is give peace a chance” - yep, John Lennon was stupid, too. What is next?
Imagine there’s no countries
It isn’t hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion too
Imagine all the people living life in peace
You, you may say
I’m a dreamer, but I’m not the only one
I hope some day you’ll join us
And the world will be as one
I can’t wait to hear Pope Francis’ cover of it...
Good.
St. Michael the Archangel,
defend us in battle.
Be our defense against the wickedness and snares of the Devil.
May God rebuke him, we humbly pray, and do thou,
O Prince of the heavenly hosts,
by the power of God,
thrust into hell Satan,
and all the evil spirits,
who prowl about the world
seeking the ruin of souls. Amen.
“The pope and Obama are on the same side in my opinion.”
Well, confusion is common. Sad, but common.
“Your question is a false dilemma.”
Nope. But if you want to believe that go ahead.
Also, the Alinsky tactics used by the thread hi-jackers are not lost on all of us. They have the same author.
Who knew Satan was a conservative who rejected such insipid rhetoric as this Pope gives! There’s plenty of reasons to have an opinion about a conflict, but pretty ideas such as this are not one of them. But just so you know, I don’t think Michael can hear you. Angels are not omnipresent or omniscient, and therefore there is absolutely no chance that he will even be aware of your prayer, unless he has an internet connection up in heaven.
Anyway, I have a Tea party meeting later with Beelzebub where we’ll be working on plans to subvert liberal ideas like this “peace in our time” nonsense the Pope has cooked up. Tootaloo!
In the Religion forum, on a thread titled Francis: War is Always a Defeat for Humanity (100,000+ attend Vatican vigil), Greetings_Puny_Humans wrote:
Angels are not omnipresent or omniscient, and therefore there is absolutely no chance that he will even be aware of your prayer, unless he has an internet connection up in heaven.
St. Michael the Archangel,
defend us in battle.
Be our defense against the wickedness and snares of the Devil.
May God rebuke him, we humbly pray, and do thou,
O Prince of the heavenly hosts,
by the power of God,
thrust into hell Satan,
and all the evil spirits,
who prowl about the world
seeking the ruin of souls. Amen.
My soul magnifies the Lord,
And my spirit rejoices in God my Savior.
For He has regarded the low estate of His handmaiden,
For behold, henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.
For He who is mighty has done great things for me, and holy is His name. And His mercy is on those who fear Him from generation to generation.
He has shown strength with His arm:
He has scattered the proud in the imagination of their hearts.
He has put down the mighty from their thrones,
and exalted those of low degree.
He has filled the hungry with good things;
and the rich He has sent empty away.
He has helped His servant Israel, in remembrance of His mercy;
As He spoke to our fathers, to Abraham and to His posterity forever.
Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit.
As it was in the beginning, is now and ever shall be, world without end. Amen
Magníficat ánima mea Dóminum,
et exsultávit spíritus meus
in Deo salvatóre meo,
quia respéxit humilitátem
ancíllæ suæ.
Ecce enim ex hoc beátam
me dicent omnes generatiónes,
quia fecit mihi magna,
qui potens est,
et sanctum nomen eius,
et misericórdia eius in progénies
et progénies timéntibus eum.
Fecit poténtiam in bráchio suo,
dispérsit supérbos mente cordis sui;
depósuit poténtes de sede
et exaltávit húmiles.
Esuriéntes implévit bonis
et dívites dimísit inánes.
Suscépit Ísrael púerum suum,
recordátus misericórdiæ,
sicut locútus est ad patres nostros,
Ábraham et sémini eius in sæcula.
Glória Patri et Fílio
et Spirítui Sancto.
Sicut erat in princípio,
et nunc et semper,
et in sæcula sæculórum.
Amen.
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