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To: CynicalBear
>> The RCC corrupted the teachings and tried to kill off the true Christians <<

And when did happen? The only "Christians" that the RCC wiped out before Protestantism were those teaching heresy, such as heretics from the first seven ecumenical councils who argued falsehoods like the idea that Jesus was purely divine and not human, or that Jesus wasn't born God and later "received" his Godhood. Thanks to the RCC wiping out that brand of "Christianity", we have true Christian doctrines today like the correct canon of the Bible and the Nicene Creed. You can thank us later.

>> but Jesus promised they would survive and they did. <<

Who survived? It certainly wasn't YOUR brand of Christianity, since it didn't exist yet. Unless you're going to claim to be an Orthodox Christian or from the Assyrian Church of the East, as they could make a legitimate claim to be exist independently of the RCC for centuries. All other Christians movements developed much later.

>> Luther et el tried to go Catholic light <<

E.G., Luther still believed in those nasty Catholic doctrines like venerating the Virgin Mary and observing various feast days. Then your brand of Christianity came even later, and by the 1800s or so, we had "true" Christianity, a mere eighteen hundred years after Christ walked the earth. Good thing your denomination, whatever it is, showed up to restore it after all that time.

>> God also promised to preserve His word for us and He did. Jesus promised the Holy Spirit would guide us and He has. <<

Yes, which is why the Catholic Church can trace its lineage back 2000 years to the original apostles, through an unbroken chain, unlike all those other Christian churches that claim they "restored" the "original Church" centuries later.

40 posted on 09/13/2013 8:45:55 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Liz Cheney's family supports gay marriage. Do you?)
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To: BillyBoy

“RCC wiped out”

Now THAT is a telling phrase!


84 posted on 09/14/2013 5:52:18 AM PDT by jodyel
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To: BillyBoy

There is another article on the same site that mentions how Catholics can only argue history.

http://www.thebereancall.org/content/why-are-evangelicals-turning-catholic

“Tom, I could give you—I’ve debated two or three of them—and one of the reasons they give—Well, I went to the church fathers. You want to know what Christianity is, get back as close as you can to the apostles and see what the church fathers—why, it seems to me they were Catholics. I mean, they had this ritual, and they had that, they believed in the real presence, and the Eucharist, and so forth. Well then, I think I had better become a Catholic too. ******That’s really the basis, not the basis of truth, Tom, not the basis of sound doctrine, but the basis of history. You remember when I debated Karl Keating, we offer that debate, and the debate was “Which is the True Church ?” Is the Catholic Church the true church? He was really upset with me because I didn’t go to history.***** I say you want to know what the true church is, go to the Bible.”


85 posted on 09/14/2013 6:04:10 AM PDT by jodyel
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To: BillyBoy
>> The only "Christians" that the RCC wiped out before Protestantism were those teaching heresy,<<

Interesting how it’s only Catholics that believe that.

>> Thanks to the RCC wiping out that brand of "Christianity", we have true Christian doctrines today like the correct canon of the Bible and the Nicene Creed. You can thank us later.<<

How utterly arrogant! And I suppose we should venerate Judas because he helped get Jesus crucified so we have salvation also? Catholics taking credit for what God has done will have it’s own punishment no doubt.

>> Who survived? It certainly wasn't YOUR brand of Christianity, since it didn't exist yet.<<

The church I belong to is much older than the RCC. It was started by the apostles.

Romans 16:5 Likewise greet the church that is in their house. Salute my well-beloved Epaenetus, who is the firstfruits of Achaia unto Christ.

Colossians 4:15 Salute the brethren which are in Laodicea, and Nymphas, and the church which is in his house.

Philemon 1:2 And to our beloved Apphia, and Archippus our fellowsoldier, and to the church in thy house:

We see the RCC which was established hundreds of years later this way.

Romans 16:17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. 18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.

>> Yes, which is why the Catholic Church can trace its lineage back 2000 years to the original apostles, through an unbroken chain<<

That is if you believe the tall tales of men. A long line of word of mouth which we all know has never been reliable. The RCC claims “special knowledge and tradition” or “special revelation” which is common among cults. Jim Jones, David Koresh, Joseph Smith, Mohamed, also claimed knowledge not contained in scripture. The RCC is no different and may be worse. The amalgamation of paganism and Christianity is what God calls whoring around and has a specific call for His people to “come out of her”.

I’ll abide by the words of the apostles and “search the scriptures daily” to see if the things they teach are true and if the apostles didn’t teach it will consider those who preach “another gospel” to be accursed.

109 posted on 09/14/2013 11:57:55 AM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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