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Will the pope OK married priests?
Bonfire of the Vanities ^ | September 18, 2013 | FR MARTIN FOX

Posted on 09/18/2013 3:41:28 PM PDT by NYer

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To: Burkean; shadeaud
But that does beg the question, why is nobody asking about nuns getting married?

For the same reason that priests may not marry.

There seems to be much confusion over this topic. Priestly celibacy is a discipline. Were it to be lifted, married men could apply to become priests. Note the difference.

With regard to women's religious communities, certain communities offer married women the opportunity to participate as members of a "third" order. These women do not join the convent but serve in a different capacity.

21 posted on 09/18/2013 4:54:33 PM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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To: Coleus
In some of the eastern rites, priests do marry ...

WRONG! In some of the Eastern Churches, married men may apply to become priests. BIG difference. Once accepted, should their wife die, they may not remarry.

22 posted on 09/18/2013 4:56:30 PM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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To: NYer

It addresses the title, “Will the Pope OK Married Priests?”

They already have. Oddly, Baptists, Episcopalians, Presbyterians and Methodists seem to manage married clergy.

Sure, they get the occasional crank, but they recruit fewer pederasts.


23 posted on 09/18/2013 5:02:13 PM PDT by donmeaker (Youth is wasted on the young.)
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To: Burkean

because the nuns are lesbians...


24 posted on 09/18/2013 5:03:20 PM PDT by donmeaker (Youth is wasted on the young.)
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To: The_Reader_David

ya...one of our Parish Priests is a married former Episcopalian.


25 posted on 09/18/2013 5:25:12 PM PDT by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: shadeaud; NYer
"The pope is confusing me. He states that homos won’t go to hell and you really don’t have to believe in God and is now considering priests getting married. Will he allow them to wed nuns, other priests."

Dear shadeaud, I’m glad you're not being sarcastic, because you are really confused! Everything you mentioned in that paragraph is untrue!

The Pope didn't say that "homos won't go to hell" --- that is, if they engage in the sin of sodomy and don't repent, they will (like any other unrepentant sinner.) He did say that if a man just has an unbidden attraction to other men (a homosexual temptation) he won't be "judged" a sinner if he does not give in to the temptation, and does not sin! Make sense?

He also didn't say that you don't have to believe in God. In that much misquoted letter which he sent to the atheist editor of La Reppublica, Pope Francis said "You [the atheist he was writing to] can be saved if you turn to Him with a sincere and contrite heart."

It's possible that part wasn't quoted in whatever garbled version of it you might have read. The secular press tends to cut out that kind of thing.

Third, neither the Pope nor any other knowledgeable person in the Church ever said that "priests will be allowed to get married." That is NOT possible. Once a priest has made a vow of celibacy, he is not an 'eligible bachelor'!

As this article points out, in some of the Eastern Catholic Churches (e.g. the Maronites and Melkites in Lebanon, the Chaldeans in Iraq, etc.) they already have the practice that married men can become priests. In that order: first marry, then be ordained as a priest. But not in the reverse order: priest, then marry. That ain't happening. Nor has, never will!

It aggravates me that the Pope is so much misquoted, and so misconstrued. It means people like myself have to go around correcting the record,

"This is what he said!"
and
"This is what he didn't say!!"
all over the blogosphere.

:`:`sigh:`:`

Any questions? Tagline.


26 posted on 09/18/2013 5:41:17 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The problem ain't what folks don't know. It's what they DO know, that ain't so!" - Will Rogers)
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To: G Larry

That’s why priests can’t get married.


27 posted on 09/18/2013 5:42:14 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The problem ain't what folks don't know. It's what they DO know, that ain't so!" - Will Rogers)
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To: Amendment10; NYer
The Catholic Church in the West (Latin Rite) has a celibate priesthood. In the 21 Churches of the East (Melkite, Maronite, Chaldean, Byzantine, etc.) married men are often ordained priests.

Roman Catholicism has married deacons. In fact, we have more married deacons in the US (14,000) than we have priests in religious orders like the Jesuits and the Franciscans (13,000).

If a man wanted to have the vows of Holy Orders AND the vows of matrimony, after he was married he could become an Eastern Rite priest or he could be an ordained deacon.

Or, o the other hand, he might have a vocation as a celibate Latin priest. Whatever his calling is (married or celibate, laity or clergy), it is a special gift from God.

It's all a matter of what his calling is from the Lord. St. Paul, who wrote that excellent description of what the qualifications of a bishop should be (in the Letter to Timothy) is also the one who also recommended celibacy:

"It is well for a man not to touch a woman.... I wish that all were [unmarried] as I myself am. But each has his own special gift from God, one of one kind and one of another (1 Cor. 7:1,7).

That's good Scriptural advice, isn't it?

28 posted on 09/18/2013 5:55:06 PM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("The problem ain't what folks don't know. It's what they DO know, that ain't so!" - Will Rogers)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; Amendment10; Coleus

Excellent. Very well expressed! To compliment your treatise, I would like to point out that the Eastern Churches also have celibate priests. Our pastor initially intended to marry before becoming a priest. In the process of his discernment, he felt a strong calling to live a monastic life as a missionary. That led him to enter the Maronite Lebanese Missionary community and be ordained as a celibate priest. He now serves as pastor in a small Maronite parish in the US.


29 posted on 09/18/2013 6:05:59 PM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Pope Francis said "You [the atheist he was writing to] can be saved if you turn to Him with a sincere and contrite heart."

That quote always kind of puzzles me. Doesn't it mean the atheist isn't an atheist anymore? How else could one turn to Him in whom the atheist doesn't believe exists? I conclude that atheists who remain atheists probably won't be saved but those who do not might well be (in other words, same as what we have believed all along).

30 posted on 09/18/2013 6:07:43 PM PDT by steve86 (Some things aren't really true but you wouldn't be half surprised if they were.)
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To: donmeaker
Sure, they get the occasional crank, but they recruit fewer pederasts.

Sexual Abuse of Children by Protestant Ministers

31 posted on 09/18/2013 6:08:06 PM PDT by NYer ( "Run from places of sin as from the plague."--St John Climacus)
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To: NYer

And these are the ones people know about.


32 posted on 09/18/2013 6:12:56 PM PDT by donmeaker (Youth is wasted on the young.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I suppose a priest could be defrocked, marry, and then become a priest again.

Did Martin Luther do that?


33 posted on 09/18/2013 6:14:51 PM PDT by donmeaker (Youth is wasted on the young.)
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To: count-your-change
The whole question is moot since there were no priests in the Christian church to marry or not marry.

WOW, thanks for setting us straight....the priests and bishops of the first 500 years of Christianity thank you for clearing this up!!!

34 posted on 09/18/2013 6:21:53 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: Burkean
But that does beg the question, why is nobody asking about nuns getting married? Doesn’t it at least warrant discussion? If it is that crucial for men, it should also at least be considered for women

priests , parish priests, live alone in a (usually) parish owned rectory...house..Nuns, on the other hand, usually live in communities with other nuns....hard to slip a husband in there!!!

35 posted on 09/18/2013 6:26:02 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: terycarl

The Scriptures say nothing about a priesthood in the Christian church.


36 posted on 09/18/2013 6:28:11 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: donmeaker
Sure, they get the occasional crank, but they recruit fewer pederasts.

wrong

37 posted on 09/18/2013 6:29:21 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: donmeaker
because the nuns are lesbians...

it never fails to amaze me how asinine some people can be....pathetic

38 posted on 09/18/2013 6:31:20 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: count-your-change
The Scriptures say nothing about a priesthood in the Christian church

scripture also says nothing about a legitimate protestant organization within the Christian chuch either.

39 posted on 09/18/2013 6:39:45 PM PDT by terycarl
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To: terycarl

Not relevant to the point. There were no priests in the Christian church therefore nothing in Scripture about such a priesthood.


40 posted on 09/18/2013 6:49:01 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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