Whomever translated the words born again was either ignorant or a deceiver. And some have made a fad out of dancing around the instruction given, claiming it to be the working of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit was given after this and the Holy Spirit is not about making or giving new doctrine. As Christ told Nicodemus when he did not understand,
John 3:11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
12 IF I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, IF I tell you of heavenly things?
Born again theology is the doctrine of Nicodemus, not of Christ and certainly does not come from the Holy Spirit.
Born again theology is a deviant unlearned, mixed up, and messed up one verse religion.
In John 3:10 Jesus answered and said unto him, "Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
There is no such notion of 'born again' found anywhere in the volume of the book. Had there been Christ would have pointed out the Scripture wherein He was bringing forward that instruction.
Then do Mankind a favor;
YOU produce a CORRECT translation or else be blamed for a LOT of souls going to Hell.
John 3:3 απεκριθη ο ιησους και ειπεν αυτω αμην αμην λεγω σοι εαν μη τις γεννηθη ανωθεν ου δυναται ιδειν την βασιλειαν του θεου -1550 Stephanus New Testament
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Whomever translated the words born again was either ignorant or a deceiver.
I guess I missed a few things in Theology 101–302 and Greek 101–203 classes when I attended Bible college. Maybe I've just forgotten such things since I first went there in 1976 and now I'm older and getting stupid. But I can't help thinking that you have a strange understanding that is much different from what I learned. My professors and instructors were all spirit filled men, who imparted a clear understanding when they taught their subjects.
Nicodemus responded to Jesus. Jesus told him “you must be born again”. The word "again” can also be translated “by the Spirit”, but in the context of what is presented, it is commonly used to say “born again”. Not only does the NIV translate it that way, but the KJV, the 1599 Geneva Bible and the others on my shelf find that same translation, I do see in the complete Jewish Bible that they say it more fully as “born again from above”.
I think it's important to note everything in context. It was Nicodemus next words that clarify what Jesus was really saying. Nicodemus asked “"How can an old man go back into his mother's womb a second time,…”. That makes it pretty clear to me and my simple understanding. Jesus had indeed used terminology saying “born again”. Jesus was explaining the concept of being born from above by his Spirit, and yes, Though we could not receive the Holy Spirit until after the resurrection and ascension of Jesus, the Holy Spirit is eternal. The Holy Spirit is God's motive force.
So, ignorance and deception seem to be coming from a different source than everything that I have learned. Your posts seemed to be more along those lines. I cannot understand what you are trying to say with your descriptions of what you're thinking. It just doesn't translate…