Skip to comments.Has the Pope Taken His First Steps into Last Days Apostasy?
Posted on 09/25/2013 8:27:57 PM PDT by WXRGina
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>> declaration that the church needs to shake off its obsession with abortion and homosexuality
if true — IF true — that would be heresy of the highest order.
Thank you. Great post
It’s the end of everything as you know it, that’s for sure. Ten years from now the religious landscape will be so totally transformed that no one will recognize it. And no, neither the anti-Christ nor the Second Coming, and certainly not any silly notion of “Rapture” will have come to pass.
Make a mental note of what I just told you.
Heresy . . . or what?
May be I read something in his statement that you don't, because I don't see how it's heresy.
"I" thought he meant that Abortion and Homosexuality are wrong in the Catholic Religion, and that all the obsessing over whether to allow it or not is ridiculous.
Reuters and other news agencies are reporting that the Pope has capitulated on several issues such as homosexuality, abortion and contraception.Someone is several days late following the news. The Pope blasted abortion in a sermon; and he excommunicated an Australian priest who was gay-marriage friendly, female-priest friendly and reportedly gave the communion host to a dog. (Among other things I cannot recall immediately.)
>> May be I read something in his statement that you don’t
Actually, I haven’t read the statement in question at all (hence my emphasis on the word ‘IF’). And unless I missed it, Pope Francis’ statement wasn’t part of the original post.
Do you know the statement? If so, can you please furnish a link to it?
Oh... that happened a ways back. Only about 1 million people, worldwide, disappeared, and no one really noticed.
Welcome to hell.
I’m not Catholic, and 5 years ago would never have thought of defending a pope! That said, here is a link to the entire interview. A great interview. He is not saying abortion, etc. is “okay”. He is saying that it is not the only thing, and not the MAIN thing.
An excerpt from the excerpt below, which I think is at the heart of the statement:
“The proposal of the Gospel must be more simple, profound, radiant. It is from this proposition that the moral consequences then flow.”
We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage and the use of contraceptive methods. This is not possible. I have not spoken much about these things, and I was reprimanded for that. But when we speak about these issues, we have to talk about them in a context. The teaching of the church, for that matter, is clear and I am a son of the church, but it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time.
The dogmatic and moral teachings of the church are not all equivalent. The churchs pastoral ministry cannot be obsessed with the transmission of a disjointed multitude of doctrines to be imposed insistently. The dogmatic and moral teachings of the church are not all equivalent. The churchs pastoral ministry cannot be obsessed with the transmission of a disjointed multitude of doctrines to be imposed insistently. Proclamation in a missionary style focuses on the essentials, on the necessary things: this is also what fascinates and attracts more, what makes the heart burn, as it did for the disciples at Emmaus. We have to find a new balance; otherwise even the moral edifice of the church is likely to fall like a house of cards, losing the freshness and fragrance of the Gospel. The proposal of the Gospel must be more simple, profound, radiant. It is from this proposition that the moral consequences then flow.
I say this also thinking about the preaching and content of our preaching. A beautiful homily, a genuine sermon must begin with the first proclamation, with the proclamation of salvation. There is nothing more solid, deep and sure than this proclamation. Then you have to do catechesis. Then you can draw even a moral consequence. But the proclamation of the saving love of God comes before moral and religious imperatives. Today sometimes it seems that the opposite order is prevailing. The homily is the touchstone to measure the pastors proximity and ability to meet his people, because those who preach must recognize the heart of their community and must be able to see where the desire for God is lively and ardent. The message of the Gospel, therefore, is not to be reduced to some aspects that, although relevant, on their own do not show the heart of the message of Jesus Christ.
The mainstream media are not your friends when it comes to new of the Church. The moral law depends on the Love of God in Christ Jesus, who is the righteousness of God. If we spend a disproportionate amount of time talking about the moral law as it pertains to sex and secual behavior, we risk neglecting the preaching to the Love of God which is in Christ Jesus. Woe is me if I preach not the Gospel!
Pope Says Church Is Obsessed With Gays, Abortion and Birth Control
“Six months into his papacy, Pope Francis sent shock waves through the Roman Catholic church on Thursday with the publication of his remarks that the church had grown obsessed with abortion, gay marriage and contraception, and that he had chosen not to talk about those issues despite recriminations from critics. “
“Silly notion of Rapture”
You are worse off than I realized, Mr. Kopp. WOW!
Just waiting for the, "There is no God!" quote.
Utterly and completely WRONG, boys and girls!!!
Look at it again.
If there’s no such thing as “Apostolic Succession,” and no “Catholic Church” before 300 A.D., why are there “bishops” (the Apostolic and sub-Apostolic Fathers) writing in the Second Century?
It’s fine to point out the media’s lies.
**Has the Pope Taken His First Steps into Last Days Apostasy?**
No, the following day after the interview he talked about the necessity of not performing abortions to a group of OB/gyns.
Did you see that?
The "MAIN" thing cannot be, without those of us who understand it, fiercely defending the lives of pre-born babies. Americans have become desensitized to the true horror of what "abortion" really is. No, there is no way to over-emphasize the evil of abortion.
The Pope was unwise to put it this way.
The wrongness of abortion and same-sex marriage are NOT matters of “Church teaching,” and need NOT be discussed only in the context of “Church teaching.”
The wrongness of both is knowable through an understanding of NATURAL LAW.
By insisting that they must be discussed in the context of “Church teaching,” the Pope has undermined the pro-life movement.
You’re attributing to the catholics the term “bishops,” when the catholic church did not even exist when the Scriptures were written. “Bishop” does not belong to, nor was it originated by, the catholics.
oh please....that nonsense sprang up sometime in the 19th or early 20th century....
oh please....that nonsense sprang up sometime in the 19th or early 20th century....
Terry, you completely misunderstood what I wrote. I DO NOT see a "pre-tribulation" "rapture" anywhere in the Bible. I was saying that the only "rapture" of the Body of Christ is when He comes back at the end. If you re-read what I wrote, perhaps this time you will get it.
da pope is a senile old man selling wickedness
Our righteous heroes are elsewhere, aren’t they: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3071366/posts
sure it did...the earliest Christians soon (in the first century) became known as Catholic (Universal)...they were therefore present in scriptural times...saved the bible, as you know it, for you....say thanks to the Catholics!!
well lets see, the Pope is infallible in matters of faith and morals but you are here to refute that....good luck!!
I am among those Christians who believe in a pre-wrath rapture (pre or mid trib):
For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, - I Th 5:9
For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: - 2 Th 2:7-8
Thank you for the link. Bookmarked!
Maybe you didn't even read Mr. Bresciani's column. He pointed out that the catholic church didn't even come into existence for several hundred years, although, no doubt 1 John 2:19 applies to those who would eventually create catholicism.
It's okay, though, because you and I will never agree. There's nothing we can do to change that.
Reuters interviewer to the Pope:
“Have you stopped beating your wife?”
With any news story, especially liberal MSM and doubly so for Reuters, VERIFY what the person being interviewed actually said and in context.
For conservative news sources, trust, but verify.
For emails with the latest incredible story forwarded by kind, loving, honorable (but all too often gullible) friends and relatives, VERIFY before forwarding them on to your entire mailing list.
Why do you say that? Are you brainwashed by Catholic haters?
Who is Rev. Michael Bresciani and why is he so concerned about the Catholic Pope? It’s really noble of him, the world apprec iates it, but let him become concerned about his own sect, whatever it is, Jehovah’s Witnesses, 7th Day Adventists, or Scientologists.
The rapture occurs at the Second Coming of Christ.
The notion of a rapture occurring apart from the moment of the Second Coming is daft. It is made up out of whole cloth and not scriptural.
I am saved, child. I am no worse or better off than you.
Exactly. Thank you. Any notion of a rapture occurring any time other than at the moment of the Second Coming is silly. My apologies for not making that more clear in the first post. Catholics have always believed in the rapture, the one that occurs at the Second Coming.
Some people just don’t get it.
The English word rapture does not appear in any of the current English translations of the Bible. If you are wondering where the English term originates from, it is an Old English word that was used in literature (including some Charles Dickens novels) that refers to being carried away.
Does your tagline mean that it is possible for the mainstream media to get something CORRECT when they write about the Pope?
Or does that like this latest round of crazy pronouncements remain impossible?
>> here’s a research project from several years ago
Very cool! Thanks for sharing the link.
As regards eschatology, put me down as a “who knows who cares”... how it all ends is a mystery to me, and doesn’t in the least affect how I should be living this day and every day for Jesus!
For a great series on what the bible really says about Daniels 70th week, I recommend The Revelation Film Series: KJV Prophecy