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Pope Francis Said What?! Actually, No, He didn't
American Thinker ^ | 09/27/2013 | Selwyn Duke

Posted on 09/27/2013 8:39:20 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

That NBC had doctored a 911 call for the purposes of making George Zimmerman look like a bigot was a shocking revelation. Yet cut-and-paste propaganda is a common media tactic, and I'm not sure anyone is victimized by it more than Pope Francis.

You've probably read the headlines. "Pope Francis urges global leaders to end 'tyranny' of money," "Pope Francis's stunning blow to conservatives," "Pope Francis assures atheists: You don't have to believe in God to go to heaven," "Pope Says Church Is 'Obsessed' With Gays, Abortion and Birth Control"; rinse, wash and repeat. Yet these headlines range from delusion to, possibly, deception. By and large, he said, she said is not what the pope said.

Let's start with the recent big news, the Jesuit magazine interview with Pope Francis called that "stunning blow to conservatives." The stunned (and stunted) journalist who wrote that line, the Guardian's Andrew Brown, used a Francis "quotation" prevalent throughout the media. To wit: "It is not necessary to talk about... abortion, gay marriage and [contraception] all the time." Now, it's not surprising Brown didn't provide a link to the actual interview. Because not only is his cut-and-paste job missing an ellipsis (between "and" and "all the time"), it's an elliptical formulation that omits 58 words -- and 58 miles of meaning.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: abortion; homosexuality; popefrancis

1 posted on 09/27/2013 8:39:20 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
After saying he hadn't talked about abortion, marriage and contraception much, here's what the pope actually stated:

"The teaching of the church, for that matter, is clear and I am a son of the church, but it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time [emphasis added]."

The media didn't omit the italicized words merely for brevity's sake. When Francis said that the teaching is "clear" and he's a "son of the church," he is reaffirming doctrine and his fidelity to it. He's saying that the teachings in question are definitive, set in stone, and that he is loyal to mother Church as any good "son" is to his mother.
2 posted on 09/27/2013 8:41:16 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...

Don’t tell the Protestant FReepers this...


3 posted on 09/27/2013 8:47:53 AM PDT by Old Sarge (Opinions are like orgasms: only mine count, and I couldn't care less if you have one...)
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To: Old Sarge

Not every Protestant is low information.


4 posted on 09/27/2013 8:51:15 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Thank you for this. There are even some on FR who are believing the spew from the media and not looking beyond the liberal inferences of other liberals’ carefully selected and abused “quotes”.


5 posted on 09/27/2013 8:53:53 AM PDT by Tanniker Smith (Rome didn't fall in a day, either.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Full quote is here

He said, "We cannot insist only on issues related to abortion, gay marriage and the use of contraceptive methods. This is not possible. I have not spoken much about these things, and I was reprimanded for that. But when we speak about these issues, we have to talk about them in a context. The teaching of the church, for that matter, is clear and I am a son of the church, but it is not necessary to talk about these issues all the time." He explained that the dogmatic and moral teachings of the church are not all equivalent. Instead of focusing on controversial issues all the time, he wants to give primacy to the preaching of the gospel: "A beautiful homily, a genuine sermon must begin with the first proclamation, with the proclamation of salvation. There is nothing more solid, deep and sure than this proclamation. Then you have to do catechesis. Then you can draw even a moral consequence. But the proclamation of the saving love of God comes before moral and religious imperatives. Today sometimes it seems that the opposite order is prevailing."

6 posted on 09/27/2013 8:54:08 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: SeekAndFind

After reading the words of the Free Republic Anti-Catholic League, it makes you wonder...


7 posted on 09/27/2013 9:01:07 AM PDT by Old Sarge (Opinions are like orgasms: only mine count, and I couldn't care less if you have one...)
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To: SeekAndFind
While the Pope was grievously wronged by the incorrect "quotations," there is still a problem. For better or worse, the only economy he has ever experienced personally is the Peronist/Fascist economy of Argentina. He is not a professional economist. He simply doesn't understand that what he has experienced is a warped and distorted version of what an economy should be. This may produce problems in the future, if he makes any pronouncements on economic issues.
8 posted on 09/27/2013 9:02:39 AM PDT by JoeFromSidney ( book, RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY, available from Amazon.)
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To: SeekAndFind

It is wide open for interpreatation. Maybe he should try it again, using a little more carefully thought out language.


9 posted on 09/27/2013 9:05:58 AM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA; SeekAndFind
It is wide open for interpreatation.

No it isn't. See Post 6. But he needs to wise up about selective editing.

10 posted on 09/27/2013 9:08:24 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: Old Sarge

Yes, we do have our eyes and our ears open.


11 posted on 09/27/2013 9:22:56 AM PDT by dadgum (Overjoyed to be the Pariah.)
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To: Old Sarge
Don’t tell the Protestant FReepers this...

Doesn't matter...It's been far, far too long...Your pope has been shocking the word for some time now...And with the world-wide repercussions, there has been nary a single rebuttle or defense from your pope...

What we have here is someone trying to cover the pope's tracks, for him...So who do we believe??? The pope or another reporter???

12 posted on 09/27/2013 10:01:57 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool; Old Sarge
So who do we believe??? The pope or another reporter???

How about the full quote in Post 6? It's from Christianity Today.

Btw, I'm not a Catholic. I just believe in honesty.

13 posted on 09/27/2013 10:06:25 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: DJ MacWoW
No it isn't. See Post 6. But he needs to wise up about selective editing.

I don't believe for a second that your pope is ignorant of the world wide repercussions of his statements...

How is it that not a single news outlet posted the correct translation...Even the Vatican news outlet was shocked and tried to find a way to justify what your pope has been saying, but couldn't...

Now, weeks later, up pops a new version of what he said...

14 posted on 09/27/2013 10:08:04 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool
I'm not Catholic. I simply prefer honesty.

Didn't read the quote from Christianity Today, did you.

How is it that not a single news outlet posted the correct translation.

Are really asking that question? Seriously?

15 posted on 09/27/2013 10:16:16 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: Iscool

Did you read the article? I don’t think so. The author shows how in some cases the media has flat out LIED about the pope’s statements.

The article also admits that the pope’s instincts probably are modernistic.


16 posted on 09/27/2013 10:25:15 AM PDT by Paladins Prayer
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To: DJ MacWoW

Thank you, DJ


17 posted on 09/27/2013 10:29:40 AM PDT by Old Sarge (Opinions are like orgasms: only mine count, and I couldn't care less if you have one...)
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To: Old Sarge

You’re welcome.


18 posted on 09/27/2013 10:30:56 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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To: SeekAndFind

The National Director of Priest for Life is not worried about the Pope, why are others?

http://www.priestsforlife.org/library/4787-i-am-not-alarmed-by-the-popes-interview


19 posted on 09/27/2013 5:46:37 PM PDT by NKP_Vet
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To: SeekAndFind

I happen to agree with the Pope on what i have heard him talk about, some assume that he shares the Marxist view, if that is the case i would not agree on that.

The pope seems to be interested in sharing the gospel rather than making Catholic authority on religion the main issue and i appreciate that.

How far would the Gospel have gone if the Apostles had of just been interested in who had the authority?

Paul may be an exception on this point in his accusation against The apostle Peter.

I hear mans doctrine from both Protestants and Catholic, vague scripture and assumptions that may or may not have anything to do with the subject.

Also i have no doubt that the Christian orthodox church who say they are the Church that descends directly from the early Church also has some man made doctrine.


20 posted on 09/28/2013 8:12:13 AM PDT by ravenwolf
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