Posted on 09/29/2013 9:21:12 PM PDT by Jedediah
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUxYcIySvHY
God means like what the Pagans were doing. This temple was Kosher(?).
But wait! It has been destroyed. It no longer exists. But we did get to find out about the Temple. We, Christians, are the temple of God. It isn't made from stone and full of gilt statues. It surely doesn't contain the Ark of the covenant. It is filled completely by his Holy Spirit, if we are His. You can believe the lies of your catechism, or you can accept what God has accomplished in the world. Jesus came to fulfill the law, finish, put it in the past, so that we who are grafted into his family through faith are no longer required to visit some fancy building to find God. I found the truth about Jesus in a laundromat, and he accepted me just as I was. Though my clothes were washed with soap and water, they were nowhere near as clean as my soul.
Believe it, or not!
Matthew 22: 22 Jesus spoke to them again in parables, saying: 2 “The kingdom of heaven is like a king who prepared a wedding banquet for his son. 3 He sent his servants to those who had been invited to the banquet to tell them to come, but they refused to come.
4 “Then he sent some more servants and said, ‘Tell those who have been invited that I have prepared my dinner: My oxen and fattened cattle have been butchered, and everything is ready. Come to the wedding banquet.’
5 “But they paid no attention and went off—one to his field, another to his business. 6 The rest seized his servants, mistreated them and killed them. 7 The king was enraged. He sent his army and destroyed those murderers and burned their city.
8 “Then he said to his servants, ‘The wedding banquet is ready, but those I invited did not deserve to come. 9 So go to the street corners and invite to the banquet anyone you find.’ 10 So the servants went out into the streets and gathered all the people they could find, the bad as well as the good, and the wedding hall was filled with guests.
11 “But when the king came in to see the guests, he noticed a man there who was not wearing wedding clothes. 12 He asked, ‘How did you get in here without wedding clothes, friend?’ The man was speechless.
13 “Then the king told the attendants, ‘Tie him hand and foot, and throw him outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’
14 “For many are invited, but few are chosen.”
So much lawyering we all do. You use Old Testament then back again to New Testament. Did you look in I think Ezekiel . An angelic description if I remember right. I am in bed. I do not have the time. Crashing with sleep. Good nite for another day.
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IOW, you cannot refute my words, so you try to change the subject. That is typical in a Roman Catholic response. I'm not a lawyer or anything (though I have been a pro se plaintiff four times in federal court successful every time), and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn last night! But surely you could find something with which to respond besides that pitiful try.
The Old Testament describes the history of the Jewish people. It begins with the creation of this earth and continues through the prophets. Everything in the Old Testament has been finished. God closed the door to that era, and everything that we read there points towards becoming of Jesus Christ. In the New Testament, we see the affirmation of the Old Testament including the history of Jesus walking on this earth. He is God and man.
In the Gospels, we have testimony of his walk. In the book of Acts, we see the implementation of his kingdom on earth through the dispensation of the Holy Spirit indwelling the new Christians. Then Paul writes letters to churches with problems. It's interesting that the first one is to Rome. he addresses their desire to live according to the laws and doctrines of the Old Testament. But beginning in Chapter 3, he clearly lays out the truth.
Salvation doesn't come by membership in an organization. Salvation doesn't come by being good. Salvation is out of the reach of humans because God has a better plan. He foretold the plan beginning in Genesis, and through all of the battles and all of the failing through the eons, he made it clear that salvation can only come through faith in him.
“Consider my servant, Job. He is an upright man…” Job was tested and tortured, but throughout everything he never lost faith in God. In the end of that book, Job had a new family, new riches, and then un-shattered faith. The same couldn't be said for his friends.
I will pray that God will take those Roman Catholics scales from your eyes, and that the Holy Spirit will come into your life. Without the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, you cannot understand. You cannot understand!
Galatians 2: 11 When Cephas came to Antioch, I opposed him to his face, because he stood condemned. 12 For before certain men came from James, he used to eat with the Gentiles. But when they arrived, he began to draw back and separate himself from the Gentiles because he was afraid of those who belonged to the circumcision group. 13 The other Jews joined him in his hypocrisy, so that by their hypocrisy even Barnabas was led astray.
14 When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?
15 “We who are Jews by birth and not sinful Gentiles 16 know that a person is not justified by the works of the law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have put our faith in Christ Jesus that we may be justified by faith in[d] Christ and not by the works of the law, because by the works of the law no one will be justified.
17 “But if, in seeking to be justified in Christ, we Jews find ourselves also among the sinners, doesn’t that mean that Christ promotes sin? Absolutely not! 18 If I rebuild what I destroyed, then I really would be a lawbreaker.
19 “For through the law I died to the law so that I might live for God. 20 I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21 I do not set aside the grace of God, for if righteousness could be gained through the law, Christ died for nothing!”
Notice there is no warning the tribulation being of nuclear wars...
There most certainly is!
This temple was Kosher(?).
14 When I saw that they were not acting in line with the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in front of them all, “You are a Jew, yet you live like a Gentile and not like a Jew. How is it, then, that you force Gentiles to follow Jewish customs?
Why is it that Paul felt he had to tell the whole world about something he perceived Peter had done wrong?
Many or even most Christians will thumb their noses at any one who questions any thing the Apostles might have said, and this is especially true where Paul is concerned.
But the point is if what Paul said it a fact then the Apostles could err and so could Paul.
So i will say something that has been on my mind for at least 40 years.
Although most of what Paul says makes a lot of sense he certainly spends a lot of time promoting himself, making sure every one knows that he is an apostle.
He builds himself up in this manner, but has very little good to say of the other Apostles.
28 And he was with them coming in and going out at Jerusalem.
and when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, notice it is still about Paul
That is about the only good thing Paul said about the other Apostles, what was it Jesus said about the brethren loving each other?
Paul seemed to be excepted by the other Apostles in spite of the cruelties to them which he had a hand in but was he even an Apostle?
The presence of God with the ark was in this temple. Deflecting the original meaning of what you brought up. So what of again I see “ lawyering.” It never stops. It is not a real “conversation” is it. Just amazing.
Jesus is God he was in King Solomon’s temple. The presence of God was with the Ark.
In Solomon’s Temple[edit]
The Ark carried into the Temple from the early 15th century Très Riches Heures du Duc de Berry
When Abiathar was dismissed from the priesthood by King Solomon for having taken part in Adonijah’s conspiracy against David, his life was spared because he had formerly borne the Ark (1 Kings 2:26). Solomon worshipped before the Ark after his dream in which God promised him wisdom (1 Kings 3:15).
During the construction of Solomon’s Temple, a special inner room, named Kodesh Hakodashim (Eng. Holy of Holies), was prepared to receive and house the Ark (1 Kings 6:19); and when the Temple was dedicated, the Ark—containing the original tablets of the Ten Commandments—was placed therein (1 Kings 8:6-9). When the priests emerged from the holy place after placing the Ark there, the Temple was filled with a cloud, “for the glory of the Lord had filled the house of the Lord” (1 Kings 8:10-11; 2 Chron. 5:13, 14).
When Solomon married Pharaoh’s daughter, he caused her to dwell in a house outside Zion, as Zion was consecrated because of its containing the Ark (2 Chron. 8:11). King Josiah also had the Ark put in the Temple (2 Chron. 35:3), whence it appears to have been removed by one of his predecessors (cf. 2 Chron. 33-34 and 2 Kings 21-23).
This is the verses you used with statues. I presented to you Cherubs( angel statues and carvings ) that were in the temple while the presence of God was on the ark( which also has carvings and statues of angels).
'You shall not make for yourself' is different from making what YHWH specifically and explicitly defined for use in His Temple services. Those of the Roman church seem to be inured to the fact that their imagery distracts from that which YHWH ordained. Just as their feast days distract from the Holy Days of YHWH... 'Anti' in the form of 'alternate'.
It is not that folks were bowing down to idols - it is that they were not bowing down to YHWH. The alternate distracts from the truth.
I had a sense this day to take a picture after heavy prayers. My uncle just died I picked up my brother to go to my uncle's funeral. We are over the hudson river bridge(The Tappan Zee).
The Last photo I put in black and white to highlight in color the number seven. Just so amazing. I never saw a number like this in a cloud. It looks like angel with a basket to collect the number "seventy." Awesome sight in the clouds.
"Seventy weeks are determined for your people and for your holy city, to finish the transgression, to make an end of sins, to make reconciliation for iniquity, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to seal up vision and prophecy, and to anoint the Most Holy." (Daniel 9:24)
Matthew 18:21-23
Revised Standard Version (RSV)
21 Then Peter came up and said to him, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? As many as seven times?” 22 Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you seven times, but seventy times seven.[a]
23 “Therefore the kingdom of heaven may be compared to a king who wished to settle accounts with his servants.
Praise Jesus Christ!!
I'm not trying to sound like the grammar police, but I think the proper word would be "accepted". But, to answer that question would be foolish of me since we have more writings from Paul than any other single writer in the New Testament. There's a lot of difference between laying out credentials and self-promotion. If you read what he says, you may properly understand it.
Paul was a Jew at the top of his game. He tells us he was foremost in the persecution of Christians. He had quite a reputation which preceded them everywhere he went. But, on that road to Damascus, Jesus apprehended him and turned his life upside down. Jesus is like that!
It's pretty clear that when Paul was chastising Peter, it was because Peter was doing two things wrong. First, when nobody was looking, he did things differently (Peter lived like a Gentile except when he was around Jews). Second, Peter was trying to teach the bondage of the law which Christ fulfilled so that we may be freed from it.
I'm not sure what you have been thinking for the past 40 years. Of one thing I'm sure though, you don't seem to grasp what's right in front of your eyes.
Galatians 1: 10 Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ.
11 I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. 12 I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.
I’m not sure what you have been thinking for the past 40 years. Of one thing I’m sure though, you don’t seem to grasp what’s right in front of your eyes.
Sorry about the grammar, that is the first time in my life i have made a mistake, ha, ha.
You are assuming that i am not grasping the situation while i could assume the same about your understanding of it.
What it proves to any one who gives it some thought is that no one is infallible, either Peter was wrong or Paul was wrong, you choose to except Peter as the culprit and i tend to believe Paul was using it to build himself up.
But i think if Paul wanted to be fair he would have went to Peter in private, and also he would not have advertised it to the whole world in his letter.
It does not show the love that Jesus taught his disciples.
So if Paul was right in what he was accusing Peter of then he was also just as wrong.
What Bible do you read? Jesus rebuked Peter and the others openly on more than one occasion...
Luke 954 When the disciples James and John saw this, they asked, "Lord, do you want us to call fire down from heaven to destroy them?" But Jesus turned and rebuked them, and they went to another village.
Mark 8: 33 But when Jesus turned and looked at his disciples, he rebuked Peter. “Get behind me, Satan!” he said. “You do not have in mind the concerns of God, but merely human concerns.”
34 Then he called the crowd to him along with his disciples and said: “Whoever wants to be my disciple must deny themselves and take up their cross and follow me. 35 For whoever wants to save their life[b] will lose it, but whoever loses their life for me and for the gospel will save it. 36 What good is it for someone to gain the whole world, yet forfeit their soul? 37 Or what can anyone give in exchange for their soul? 38 If anyone is ashamed of me and my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will be ashamed of them when he comes in his Father’s glory with the holy angels.” ...
Mark 10: 35 Then James and John, the sons of Zebedee, came to him. “Teacher,” they said, “we want you to do for us whatever we ask.”
36 “What do you want me to do for you?” he asked.
37 They replied, “Let one of us sit at your right and the other at your left in your glory.”
38 “You don’t know what you are asking,” Jesus said. “Can you drink the cup I drink or be baptized with the baptism I am baptized with?”
39 “We can,” they answered.
Jesus said to them, “You will drink the cup I drink and be baptized with the baptism I am baptized with, 40 but to sit at my right or left is not for me to grant. These places belong to those for whom they have been prepared.”
41 When the ten heard about this, they became indignant with James and John. 42 Jesus called them together and said, “You know that those who are regarded as rulers of the Gentiles lord it over them, and their high officials exercise authority over them. 43 Not so with you. Instead, whoever wants to become great among you must be your servant, 44 and whoever wants to be first must be slave of all. 45 For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his life as a ransom for many.”
What it proves to any one who gives it some thought is that you buy the Catholic theory, hook, line, and sinker. In the need for the Catholic Church to establish Peter's authority, they try to downplay Paul in every way possible. But, Paul's writings are certainly more authoritative and inspired by the Holy Spirit quite clearly. Otherwise, why would they be such a large part of the canon?
Paul wrote letters to churches, which were inspired by the Holy Ghost to be missives of love and learning. The first book attributed to him in the New Testament is his letter to Rome. Rome had a church full of Jews who found Christ as the answer. But, Romans wanted to cling to the law instead of understand the liberty that Christ gives to us. It is significant to note that there were many churches in the early days, and cities all over. There was a developed theology quite early, and Paul's writings were at the center.
Peter preached to the Jews, his appointed mission field. Paul preached to the larger world of Gentiles. It's funny that your group claims Peter as their head and displaces Paul's writings with traditions of men. Jesus spoke quite clearly about those traditions, and Paul told the Romans they were freed from the law through Christ Jesus. The Roman Catholic Church is still trying to keep the people under the law.
I understand it quite well, and my thinking for the past 40 years leaves me to know that Roman Catholicism is clearly a cult of personality, and Jesus is just talked about like the weather. To be saved in your church, you must be a member in good standing and if they decide you don't conform to their standards in any way, they can excommunicate you.
But thank God we have the Holy Spirit to lead us into all truth. He doesn't wear fancy garments and ride in armored limousines. He has given us everything we need, and it doesn't come through some men. Paul tells us that in his writings, and when he talks about himself, it isn't that he is a braggart, he is simply presenting his resume'…
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