Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Report: Are Mormon Missionaries Safe While Serving The Church? [10 deaths]
MidUtahRadio.com ^ | Oct. 2, 2013 | Kathy Farnsworth

Posted on 10/03/2013 5:22:07 AM PDT by Colofornian

(Salt Lake City, UT) — With ten deaths involving missionaries with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, some are questioning the safety of the church’s youth. The “Salt Lake Tribune” asked the question of church officials, who said missionaries are safe and will continue to serve the church. The church noted three of the deaths were from natural causes, while four died from an illness. There are currently 75-thousand men and women serving the church on a mission worldwide, which is up 28-percent, primarily due to the church lowering the missionary age from 19 to 18.


TOPICS: Current Events; General Discusssion; Other non-Christian; Religion & Culture
KEYWORDS: deaths; lds; missionaries; mormonism
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-52 next last
[1] 10 deaths among Mormon missionaries -- including three from "natural causes" [which seems high when we're talking about 18, 19, and 20 yo]... [2] Lots of Lds missionaries thru the years get "Dear John" letters from their girlfriends...

Perhaps Mormon parents should "rethink" entrusting missionary presidents & the entire Mormon proselyting enterprise and stop funding it all.

The same thing's been happening with all these weird Boy Scout deaths in Utah over these past few years...as the Mormon church runs most of the Boy Scout operations in Utah...and I didn't have to go back more than two years to highlight these 6 stories highlighting 7 Boy Scout deaths occurring in Utah or adjacent to it:
* Boy, 14, who died in accident at Utah Boy Scout camp is identified: Bruce “Rocky” Rhiddlehoover was run over by trailer
* Families of 2 hit by lightning sue Boy Scouts of America
* Another Boy Scout Killed In Utah, Second Death Of The Day Stuns The Scouting Community
* NV Couple Sues Boy Scouts Over Son’s UT Drowning
* Utah teen drowns in Supai Canyon during Boy Scout trip
* [And then this one involved a Utah teen drowning in the Grand Canyon]: Boy Scout from Utah drowns at Grand Canyon


1 posted on 10/03/2013 5:22:07 AM PDT by Colofornian
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Colofornian

That is really an unfair question.

Really any missionary is unsafe no matter what part of the world they go to. I have had (Baptist) missionaries in my own family so believe me I know!


2 posted on 10/03/2013 5:26:40 AM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Colofornian; Morgana

Seems pretty safe to me, statistically. Some died from illness, probably would have died anyway. Some died in accidents, just like young adults in any occupation. Etc.


3 posted on 10/03/2013 5:32:41 AM PDT by Tax-chick ("The heart of the matter is God's love. It always has been. It always will be."~Abp. Chaput)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Colofornian

Fun fact: 100% of everyone who ever eats carrots will die. STOP EATING CARROTS.


4 posted on 10/03/2013 5:37:14 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Colofornian

OMG. I know you really dislike the Mormons and their church. To include in your links BOYSCOUTS who were aged 12 and out camping seems to be more than a little gratuitous.

The boys parents are suing for ridiculous reasons if you read the article. PLUS there is no indication that they are Mormons (I know Utah etc etc).

Some day I hope you find some peace


5 posted on 10/03/2013 5:41:00 AM PDT by Nifster
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Nifster
It's pretty simple: If adults are poor spiritual caretakers of the young, parallels crop up in other areas of their caretaking as well.
6 posted on 10/03/2013 5:54:46 AM PDT by Colofornian
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Colofornian

who cares?


7 posted on 10/03/2013 5:57:26 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET (urope. Why do they put up with this.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Morgana

My wife uncle is a SBC pastor and have spent most of the past 20 years in Peru. He has been held up and robbed, and never sleeps outside of a high fence.


8 posted on 10/03/2013 7:08:03 AM PDT by Sybeck1 (Defunding does work!! Anyone remember fate of the border fence????)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Colofornian

Give it a rest. With the country truly falling apart and devolving into a complete communist state, it seems as if you are finding motes and ignoring logs


9 posted on 10/03/2013 7:16:57 AM PDT by Nifster
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Nifster; All
Give it a rest.

(Anti-First Amendment, too, eh?)

With the country truly falling apart and devolving into a complete communist state...

Unlike the Silent Generation, which was able to multi-task and take on more than one opposition at a time during WWII -- on multiple fronts each -- too many conservatives (like yourself) can't seem to be bothered with more than a solo task staring them in the face...No wonder we can't fight public battles effectively today.

And...from an eternal perspective, even what is going on in the USA today is merely but a backyard bonfire compared to the fires of hell.

To cite Jesus: 4 “I tell you, my friends, do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that can do no more. 5 But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear him who, after your body has been killed, has authority to throw you into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him."

No...don't fear the communists Jesus would tell Nifster...for communists are mere "motes" compared to eternal judgment.

10 posted on 10/03/2013 7:51:53 AM PDT by Colofornian
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Colofornian
In the news today a buseload of Baptists were in a bad accident and eight were killed.

And if memory these church related bus accidents happen some what frequency, does that mean Baptists are "poor guardians of their flock"?

I don't believe it but I don't believe Mormons nor Baptist, Methodists or Catholic missionaries wantonly put their believers in jeopardy. Accidents happen to all people, of whatever faiths or non believers.

11 posted on 10/03/2013 7:57:44 AM PDT by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: C. Edmund Wright
STOP EATING CARROTS.

**************************

Yes, sir! If I must..

I hate carrots.

12 posted on 10/03/2013 8:00:04 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Colofornian

“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.”


13 posted on 10/03/2013 8:05:44 AM PDT by S.O.S121.500 (Case back hoe for sale or trade for diesel wood chipper....Enforce the Bill of Rights. It's the Law!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Nifster; Colofornian

No kidding.


14 posted on 10/03/2013 8:07:21 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: RedMonqey
In the news today a buseload of Baptists were in a bad accident and eight were killed. And if memory these church related bus accidents happen some what frequency, does that mean Baptists are "poor guardians of their flock"?

'Twas a chartered bus. As far as I know, the busdriver wasn't a baptist. So try another tact if you're wanting to make a point worth considering.

In contrast, let's take the Boy Scout comparison I made in my initial post: Lds churches treat the Boy Scouts like a church youth group. Its lay leaders are "called" to Boy Scout leadership positions...and thus, those are Lds members.

As such, they act as both direct SPIRITUAL and physical guardians of these kids.

Of course, accidents happen to all families -- no matter what stripe they wear. Of course, missionaries of all denominations have died.

What I am talking about is how there seems to be such a great concentration of these for a people group that is only 1.7% of our population.

15 posted on 10/03/2013 8:11:24 AM PDT by Colofornian
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: S.O.S121.500
“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours.”

Two examples just from the New Testament:

* "For, as I have often told you before and now tell you again even with tears, many live as enemies of the cross of Christ. Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, and their glory is in their shame. Their mind is set on earthly things." (Phillippians 3:18)

A glutton's god can be his/her tummy.

5 "Put to death, therefore, whatever belongs to your earthly nature: sexual immorality, impurity, lust, evil desires and greed, which is idolatry." (Colossians 3:5)

Greed can also be an atheist's "replacement" God.

It can also be lust. Or just self-worship in general.

****************

Aside from then this being simply a "mathematical" issue -- as your quote portends -- with Mormonism 'tis also an entirely different GOD altogether.

16 posted on 10/03/2013 8:14:42 AM PDT by Colofornian
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Colofornian

Fairy Tales or corrupted and bastardized history books constitute not a religion unless for cowards, hypocrites, and charlatans.

There is a reason your ancestors worshipped the sun....

“I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours

Key word: Understand


17 posted on 10/03/2013 8:25:01 AM PDT by S.O.S121.500 (Case back hoe for sale or trade for diesel wood chipper....Enforce the Bill of Rights. It's the Law!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Colofornian
'Twas a chartered bus. As far as I know, the busdriver wasn't a baptist.

And who chartered the bus? Mormons?

Your splitting hairs to support your viewpoint.

A internet search of "Boy Scouts" "Died" and "Accidents" reveal a long list of scouts dying in a list of various ways in various states and countries.

The very nature of scouting means they leave the safty of their homes and go to places and have adventures that have an element of danger.



Please quit "cherrypicking" your "facts" and see the whole picture.
18 posted on 10/03/2013 8:26:50 AM PDT by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: RedMonqey
Well, it's probably safer to be a missionary than to be a college student in America.

I read recently where 4000 or so college students die every year.

19 posted on 10/03/2013 8:34:52 AM PDT by Mogger (Independence, better fuel economy and performance with American made synthetic oil.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: RedMonqey
And who chartered the bus? Mormons? Your splitting hairs to support your viewpoint.

RM, please review your post #11. What was the focus?
a. "guardians"
b. "flock"

Is a chartered budriver a "shepherd" of his "flock"???

20 posted on 10/03/2013 8:36:21 AM PDT by Colofornian
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: RedMonqey
A internet search of "Boy Scouts" "Died" and "Accidents" reveal a long list of scouts dying in a list of various ways in various states and countries.

Of course.

Now name me any state or country that has had even close to 6 incidents involving 7 Boy Scout deaths in a 50-month period.

If we were insurance agents discussing traffic accidents that occur in the U.S., we could both "high-five" each other in agreement that such accidents occur in EVERY county of the U.S...and whereever cars run worldwide for that matter.

But don't try to con us in claiming that just because such accidents happen "everywhere" that insurance rates are equal across the board in every county of this country.

I've seen online lists of worst cities for accidents. Some areas of the country feature excellent "asphalt neighbors"; others, just the opposite.

To hear you tell it, if we applied your logic to auto accidents, those who assess auto insurance rates should simply ignore that accidents are MULTIPLIED in certain cities of this country and they should simply dish out a one-size fits all rate.

21 posted on 10/03/2013 8:44:39 AM PDT by Colofornian
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: Mogger; RedMonqey; All
Well, it's probably safer to be a missionary than to be a college student in America. I read recently where 4000 or so college students die every year.

That's probably accurate...I found one source that seemed to say that the death rate per college student was about 22.4 per 100,000. And the Mormons have had 10 this year (more than one per month avg) among about 75,000. So the Mormons would need to have 16-17 deaths -- 6 or 7 more in the remaining three months of 2013 -- to equal a rate equivalent.

But these Lds missionaries are your more "valiant" Mormons ... the BYU types. So a fair comparison would be to compare the death rate among BYU students vs. Lds missionaries. I presently don't have those stats...but could easily conclude that it would have been safer for Lds missionaries to be BYU students in 2013.

Your 4,000 deaths per year among college students could be accurate...there's almost (at least) 17.5 million students.

******

Btw...for more on these missionary deaths, See: With 10 deaths this year: Are Mormon missionaries safe?

22 posted on 10/03/2013 9:04:57 AM PDT by Colofornian
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: Colofornian

No I am not anti-first amendment. No where does ANYTHING I have said suggest that.

You need to get your knickers untwisted and breathe a little bit.


23 posted on 10/03/2013 9:23:35 AM PDT by Nifster
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: Nifster
No I am not anti-first amendment. No where does ANYTHING I have said suggest that.

If you were opposing Obama on FR, and I told you to "give it a rest," what might one conclude? (Besides political lunacy, that is)

24 posted on 10/03/2013 9:31:52 AM PDT by Colofornian
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: Sybeck1
Oh please! When was it ever easy to be a missionary? All but one of the 12 disciples of Christ were martyred.
25 posted on 10/03/2013 9:39:25 AM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Morgana; Sybeck1; RedMonqey; All
When was it ever easy to be a missionary? All but one of the 12 disciples of Christ were martyred.

Sorry...but your comparison doesn't "compute" -- even from a simple mathematical comparison.

Question: What would have been the "martyr" rate among those disciples had they done what the Mormon missionaries do -- and thereby limited their travels to just two years.

Obviously we don't have an exact answer for that. But I don't believe too many if any of them died within a few years after Jesus' death.

ALSO: What this article shows is that Mormons are now averaging more than one missionary death per month -- and NONE of them are from your injection of PERSECUTION.

26 posted on 10/03/2013 9:45:54 AM PDT by Colofornian
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: Morgana

Several years ago 2 missionaries were murdered up in Springfield,MO. Tragic loss. Very fine, dedicated people. The French recently lost a medical team in Africa. Nuns among them. Murdered by the adherents of Islam. Life anywhere is dangerous...


27 posted on 10/03/2013 9:58:15 AM PDT by donozark (The voices inside my head may not be real, but they have some good ideas!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: Colofornian

You managed to avoid dealing with the WHOLE post which put my comment in context. I asked you to give it a rest because we are fighting far larger battles than whether you hate the mormons or not.

Right now the communists are working very very hard to destroy this country along with their muslim buddies. During WWII we didn’t fight the Russians because we were too busy fighting the PRIMARY threat of the hour...the Axis powers.

Pick your battles and you might actually find success.


28 posted on 10/03/2013 10:26:16 AM PDT by Nifster
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: Colofornian

By the way the folks who spend their time spewing Alex Jones’ paranoia on this sight (and there are some) get the same comment from me.

At least if this is the battle you are going to fight try and make some rational arguments instead of sighting an article which is about boy scouts. Logic is crucial in all cases. If you are perceived as foaming at the mouth (like so many on the liberal left seem to do) then one tends to lose the ability to convince anyone.

Yelling louder or posting more does not win the day


29 posted on 10/03/2013 10:30:15 AM PDT by Nifster
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 24 | View Replies]

To: Nifster; All
Pick your battles and you might actually find success.

You actually defeat your own purpose here.

If the content of this thread isn't worth discussing (at least in comparison to "other more important subject matters" on other threads)...
If people's efforts (toward whatever other "causes" or "campaigns" you would like to redirect them to) are better spent elsewhere...
...what are YOU doing here -- diluting your own efforts to fight such battles?

In fact, unless you are being some kind of FR instigator/activist, what are you even doing on FR at all??? (Versus being on actual socio-political "frontlines")

Where do you flesh out your contentions?

You've obviously chosen this thread as one of your "battles of the day."

IOW, your actions belie your words.

Furthermore, IF what you say is "so"...you would ensure that the "proper battles" for FREEPERS to fight -- whatever they might be -- at least get "proper" thread attention...
...and YOU, Nifster, as the "frontline" control person you're seeking to be...
...Can't do that by failure to post ANY THREAD at all over these past 13 months...
...And you Can't do that by posting ONLY two threads at all in the near 48 months that you've been a FREEPER.

Put your threads where your claims are.

And if this thread is diluting attention from where it needs to be, then be consistent and stop letting it divert your attention from where you claim it needs to be.

30 posted on 10/03/2013 10:59:28 AM PDT by Colofornian
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: Nifster; All
Pick your battles and you might actually find success.

I take it then, Nifty, that if we're to follow your glorious thread leadership: That we should really be focusing on...
(a) Chick-Fil-A
and (b) moving company recommendations...

Because THOSE encompass the entirety of the "key battles" that you've actually taken the time to post threads about...

(Be sure to let us know when you've moved on to other fast food & transportation companies so that we can rush to those threads of vital import)

31 posted on 10/03/2013 11:12:27 AM PDT by Colofornian
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: Colofornian

You’re making a fool of yourself. You might want to take a deep breath and re-think you’re strategy of witnessing for Christ by insulting virtually everyone with whom you communicate.


32 posted on 10/03/2013 11:47:04 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: Mr. Lucky
(And calling people "fools" isn't "insulting"??? Apparently some "insulters" on FR have special elite status, eh?)

Mr. Lucky's sermon-of-the-day "takeaway": "Fools, thou shalt not insult others"

33 posted on 10/03/2013 11:58:09 AM PDT by Colofornian
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: Colofornian

I think you’ve made my point quire adequately.


34 posted on 10/03/2013 12:08:11 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: Colofornian
In contrast, let's take the Boy Scout comparison I made in my initial post: Lds churches treat the Boy Scouts like a church youth group

And this is a surprise to you?

It's not secret that Boys Scouts are frequently sponsered by MANY faiths, not just Mormons. While I never reach Boy scout level I was a cub scout and reached Webelo before I bailed.

And we had our church(Methodist) sponser us and we had our Methodist Den mother led us in the pledge of alliance and a prayer at the start of and before we ended every meeting.

And we had some Baptists, Southern Cumberland Presbyteriana, and Methodists among us and nobody raised a stink about it.

And noone should be surprised that in an area with lots of Mormons)(or Catholics, Baptists, etc which ever applies) should be surprised that their religion might have some enflunece into their associatuion.

And besides the headline article of this post which is dreadfully short on details, and long on pointed questions, and the Rhiddlehoover story, the religion of those other accidents isn't mention... Maybe because it's a non factor. Utah and the west in general has numerous wilderness areas that are popular attractions to both tourists and scouts alike and, accidents happen in these areas.

To imply Mormoms(and theBoys Scouts as well) are callously indifferent to the safty of their members is silly and and counterintuitive to any organization that wants expand it's membership.

Not everthing can be pegged down to religion...
35 posted on 10/03/2013 12:17:37 PM PDT by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Mr. Lucky

And you showed — by example — your blatant inconsistent hypocrisy better than any accusation could ever register. Thank you.


36 posted on 10/03/2013 12:29:22 PM PDT by Colofornian
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 34 | View Replies]

To: RedMonqey
To imply Mormoms(and theBoys Scouts as well) are callously indifferent to the safty of their members is silly and and counterintuitive to any organization that wants expand it's membership.

(1) I never said they were indifferent to these deaths.

(2) Incompetence at the outing/camp level among some doesn't = out and out incompetence across the board.

37 posted on 10/03/2013 12:32:22 PM PDT by Colofornian
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: Colofornian; Morgana; Sybeck1; Nifster; Mr. Lucky
Btw...for more on these missionary deaths, See: With 10 deaths this year: Are Mormon missionaries safe?
I know you are impressed with the flashy hewadlines but do you ever care to read the WHOLE article? From the article you cite:

The church does not share its statistics on missionary deaths, but independent counts since the 1980s indicate the rate hovers between three and six a year.

That is substantially below death rates for those same age groups across U.S. and world populations — as tracked by the World Health Organization and several prominent academic journals. Liked-aged rates of death for non-missionaries are six to 20 times higher, depending on the measures used.


According to the source you cited it's safer to be Mormon missionaries than a non missionaries
38 posted on 10/03/2013 12:34:50 PM PDT by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: Colofornian

My nephew just made Eagle Scout and he is a...drum roll please...Byzantine Catholic. Nothing to do with LDS, I doubt my sister-in-law even knows what LDS is. Boy Scouts are guided by many leaders of many religions.

I have many LDS neighbors, they support their children joining Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts, 4H, and FFA in my area. My kids were in those organizations with the LDS children and the Catholic Church is pretty well represented here as well. The LDS nor any other religious group took over any of the kid’s organizations, nor did they try to. The adults became leaders, in about the same numbers as non-LDS; and their kids served as officers but not in any greater number than other groups around here. There was no take-over or religion interjected by LDS.

LDS also encourages military service, I haven’t heard whether they have managed to take over the military yet but in my opinion they would do a far better job than the current Commander in Chief.


39 posted on 10/03/2013 12:40:59 PM PDT by Tammy8 ( ~Secure the border and deport all illegals- do it now! ~ Support our Troops!~)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Colofornian; Morgana; Sybeck1; Nifster; Mr. Lucky
I never said they were indifferent to these deaths.

Oh Please, stop being so obtuse!

Then please tell what was the purpose of your post other than to rag on the purported dangers of an faith you have shown repeatedly to everyone on FR you vehemently opposed?


40 posted on 10/03/2013 12:44:03 PM PDT by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: RedMonqey
Then please tell what was the purpose of your post...

What are you so bent out of shape about?

If a parent has an 18 yo choosing to go into the military, for example, some article on the "risks" of being in various branches of the military would be appropriate to discuss.

This is THE first year that the LDS Church has allowed 18 yo to become missionaries; parents should at least weigh risks as they would having a kid go into the military.

There's nothing sinister 'bout that...

...purported dangers...

If you broke down these deaths case by case, I would say the majority of these specific missionaries would be alive if they didn't go.

In your other recent post, you want to discuss ONLY overall world death rates of similarly aged males.

Quite impersonal and abstract, I might add...because it doesn't address the realities of MOST of these specific missionaries: Would they have died in their young adult years had they stayed home from the mission field? That is the key question for their family members, not some impersonal abstract death rate you cite of any given citizen of the entire world.

41 posted on 10/03/2013 1:16:46 PM PDT by Colofornian
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 40 | View Replies]

To: Colofornian

**Report: Are Mormon Missionaries Safe While Serving The Church?**

I should hope so. I would hope they don’t send out missionaries who are dangerous!


42 posted on 10/03/2013 1:45:24 PM PDT by Gamecock (Many Atheists take the stand: "There is no God AND I hate Him.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Colofornian; Morgana; Sybeck1; Nifster; Mr. Lucky
parents should at least weigh risks as they would having a kid go into the military.

I imagine their families have discussed the matter better than any anonymous stranger on an online site.

In your other recent post, you want to discuss ONLY overall world death rates of similarly aged males.

Just using the articles you have provided. Can't help that they prove the exact opposite of what you want them to say...

If you broke down these deaths case by case, I would say the majority of these specific missionaries would be alive if they didn't go.

Can't argue with "logic" like that(rolls eyes)

But then the same can be said about Baptist missionaries...

Or Catholic missionaries...

Or taking a step outside one's front door...


Of course, statistic wise, one is more likely to die, suffer injury inside one's own home but what ya gonna do?

Life is full of risks....

Some people believe it worth the risk of living life to the fullest in pursuit of their passions, whether it be the scouts, missionary work or, in my case, farming.

That's what individual freedom is all about....
43 posted on 10/03/2013 1:48:16 PM PDT by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: Gamecock
should hope so. I would hope they don’t send out missionaries who are dangerous!

(LOL)
44 posted on 10/03/2013 2:00:59 PM PDT by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: RedMonqey
Some people believe it worth the risk of living life to the fullest in pursuit of their passions, whether it be the scouts, missionary work...

Well, there's true missionary work in Christ...
...
...and then there's counterfeit proselytization...

Take some of those who proselyted for Jim Jones, for example...
If we could place a spotlight upon say a few individuals who successfully recruited some people to come to Jonestown in Guyana...
...and say none of these spotlighted individuals actually wound up giving any koolaid to anybody there [IoW, they weren't active murderers]
...In fact, let's go further & say they were among the few who didn't commit suicide there...
...I don't think in hindsight you would be glorifying the "individual freedom" or "pursuing life to its fullest" theme-kick you've gotten on...

I mean, these people successfully brought people into a cult whereby the newbies committed suicide -- or were murdered...

And what is true in the physical realm (death) has a spiritual parallel: Eternal death, what the book of Revelation calls the second death...IoW counterfeit missionary work resulting in eternal death simply isn't laudable...

You stated: That's what individual freedom is all about..

Much to your potential chagrin, Jesus...for example...didn't glorify ALL of the proselytization under the sun -- as you might do:

Allow me to give you one example where Jesus didn't hoorah the proselyting activity of the Pharisees:

15 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are." (Matthew 23:15)

So go right ahead, RM...if you might chide me on my lack of "freedom" approaches on this...just be sure you chide Jesus, too for His lack of tolerance on that matter.

Hey, if you want to glorify...
...without qualifications or caveats...
...ALL proselytization under the sun...
...whether it was the Rajneeshees in Oregon in the 1980s -- where some of the women were raped at that cult...
...or David Berg's cult (Children of God/The Family), whereby Berg allegedly was guilty of pedophilia & other deviant sex (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Berg)...
...or wiccan witchcraft recruiting teens...
...or Muslim missionary work that's been done out of Pakistan going back to at least the 1980s...
...etc etc etc...

...as go right ahead, your accountability to a living God will come...

As for me...no...

I don't laud those Rajneeshees who recruited women to come to Oregon to be raped...
...or those who conned some into joing Berg's cult...only to be sexually abused (Koresh was another one like this)...
...or Heaven's Gate recruiters in San Diego who "missionary-ized" gullibles to believing that suicide was the doorway to getting in touch with aliens...

But if you want to treat "missionaries" as a one-size-fits all -- with zero recognition of any counterfeiters out there to the "real thing"
-- and frame their activity as allegedly "living life to the fullest"...
...then I gotta say it: You really haven't taken a very close look at the broad scope of "religion" -- have you?

45 posted on 10/03/2013 5:46:58 PM PDT by Colofornian
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 43 | View Replies]

To: Colofornian
Well, there's true missionary work in Christ... ... ...and then there's counterfeit proselytization...

Nice attempt at deflection but I 'll save Bible class for another time...another thread....

Not that I'm advesre to doing so but I find them counter productive and they always devolve to name calling and the "My faith is Holier than than thou"

It doesn't change minds or save soul(imho) and creates ill will among Christians of all sects.

Thanks but no thanks
46 posted on 10/03/2013 8:47:24 PM PDT by RedMonqey ("Gun-free zones" equal "Target-rich environment.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: Colofornian

You really have gone round the bend


47 posted on 10/03/2013 9:21:00 PM PDT by Nifster
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: Colofornian

Because I respond to posts rather than posting lots and lots is irrelevant. The posts you refer to are old. I asked for specific information from FR folks because I trust them. I received a most excellent referral and was successful in moving some family heirlooms.

The fact that you get so angry with anyone who does not agree with says much


48 posted on 10/03/2013 9:24:45 PM PDT by Nifster
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: Colofornian

What I am talking about is how there seems to be such a great concentration of these for a people group that is only 1.7% of our population.

<><><<

How would you know? You only data mine the Mormon disasters. Now if you actually dug down and did some real research and analysis, you might be able to make a case. But when you research no comparative data, your conclusions are simply made up out of whole cloth.


49 posted on 10/04/2013 6:07:00 AM PDT by dmz
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Nifster
OK, I REALLY wasn't challenging you to explain the threads you DID post...but rather explain why there aren't more...like, a WHOLE lot more.

Somebody who is supposedly so keen on trying to knock down threads that they believe dilute our attention from whatever key battles that they think we need to fight should better have a pulpit from which to preach upon...and frankly, you don't.

You defeat your own stances on this.

If you are such a marvelous director of being able to "ID" where our attention needs to be focused, you'd have links to threads you've posted all lined up...but you don't.

And if this thread is diluting attention from where it needs to be, by you focusing your attention here defeats your own claim. You would instead be so busy on threads re: subject matter that supposedly REALLY needs our focus, that you would bypass this one. But you don't...therefore you have only reinforced the very vitality of this thread.

Thank you for that.

50 posted on 10/04/2013 8:43:04 AM PDT by Colofornian
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 48 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-52 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
Religion
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson