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10 False Book

Embarrassment: Book of Abraham

9 Martyr or Coward?

Embarrassment: Smith’s death – suicide, heroic, or somewhere in between?

8 Missing History

Embarrassment: No archaeological evidence

7 Plagiarism

Embarrassment: Plagiarism of the King James Bible

6 Mormon Underwear

Embarrassment: Magical underpants

5 Polygamy

Embarrassment: Polygamy – now it’s valid, now it isn’t?

4 Lost Text

Embarrassment: First translation mysteriously lost

3 False Witnesses

Embarrassment: Witnesses were excommunicated

2 Stolen Rituals

Embarrassment: Stolen temple rituals

1 Slaughter of Innocents

Embarrassment: Mountain Meadows Massacre


1 posted on 10/03/2013 5:57:19 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Re-writing the Bible worked for Mad Mo when the child-molester, polygamist created Islam so why not for the Mormons. Want to have sex with children and multiple women, create a religion and call yourself a prophet.


2 posted on 10/03/2013 5:59:03 AM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: Colofornian

#1 should be Mitt Romney’s presidential campaign. ;-)


3 posted on 10/03/2013 6:02:19 AM PDT by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: Colofornian
Embarrassment: First translation mysteriously lost

The "sealed pages" supposedly found by Christopher Nemelka:
Didn't Do Your Homework
Sealed Fate (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints)
True Believer: A fabled portion of...Book of Mormon made a one-time believer of Christine Marie...

5 posted on 10/03/2013 6:08:22 AM PDT by Alex Murphy (Just a common, ordinary, simple savior of America's destiny.)
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To: Colofornian

Scientology proves that people will believe anything.


7 posted on 10/03/2013 6:09:20 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: Colofornian

Aside from antagonizing Mormons, which would seem to be a petty personal goal, is there any purpose to this thread? Are you attempting to illuminate the peculiarities of Mormonism? Or are you trying to discredit it because you don’t consider it a valid religion?


15 posted on 10/03/2013 6:32:43 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: Colofornian
No...the #1 embarrassment of the Church of Latter Day Saints is its blanket support for illegal alien amnesty.

From the top bishops to Mormon Judges like Murray Snow who has declared war of Sheriff Joe Arpaio - Mormons have become traitors within by pushing hard, with mucho dollars to support massive amnesty for tens of millions of foreign invaders. DAMN THEM!

16 posted on 10/03/2013 6:33:00 AM PDT by montag813 (NO AMNESTY * ENFORCE THE LAW * http://StandWithArizona.com)
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To: Colofornian; greyfoxx39; colorcountry; ejonesie22; Elsie; Godzilla; Holly_P; MHGinTN; narses; ...
Here are a few more to consider ...

  1. The Book of Mormon: the "most correct of any book on earth" with more than 3,913 changes, still containing stories of mass migrations in submarine barges, snakes herding cattle, American Indians smelting steel and living in cement houses and riding about in horse drawn chariots, and so much, much more.

  2. The Book of Abraham: Joseph's translation completely debunked by Egyptologists. The poor guy missed the author of the document, the purpose for the document, and every single word contained in the document.

  3. The Failed Prophesies: dozens to choose from including such gems as the violent overthrow of the United States in the 1830's, to the second coming of Christ sometime before 1891, to the discovery of the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel living in cement houses in a valley near the North Pole, to the finding the moon is inhabited by men dressed like Quakers, to the prediction the earth has knobs on each end. Joseph wasn't afraid go for broke. And he got there time and time again.

  4. The First Vision: or more specifically, the nine different versions of the first vision; or ten if you include the Salamander account pronounced genuine by LDS Church leadership.

  5. The 1826 Bainbridge Conviction for Fraud: the Conquistador's gold was really down there on that farm in Northern Pennsylvania. It wasn't Joseph's fault the farmer dug so slowly the ground opened up and kept swallowing the treasure.

  6. The Book of Commandments / Doctrine and Covenants: supposedly dictated to the prophet by Mormonism's god, but changed thousands of times and still replete with examples of false statements and contradictions with other Mormon scripture.

  7. The Kirtland Safety Society: Joseph preceded the Enron scandal by 170 years with what was for a long time the largest financial fraud in U.S. history (and still one of the most blatant). This happened shortly after Mormonism's god promised the banking institution, "like Aaron's rod shall swallow up all other banks … and grow and flourish and spread from the rivers to the ends of the earth, and survive when all others should be laid in ruins."

  8. The United Order: Rigdon talked Smith into trying communism about 30 years or so before Marx and Engels. The Saints got the same economic results as other “workers’ paradises” such as the Soviet Union, Cuba and North Korea. The Saints eventually abandoned this commandment in favor of “the law of tithing” even though the United Order was proclaimed to be “an everlasting order for the benefit of my church, and for the salvation of men until I [Jesus] come.”

  9. The Garden of Eden located in Independence, Missouri: This was the place where Adam and Eve were given Sacred Temple Garments (long johns with secret Masonic symbols) to cover their nakedness after they were expelled from paradise.

  10. The Kinderhook Plates: a hoax by evil gentiles who took pieces of brass, and then inspired by the characters on a box of Chinese green tea, etched strange markings on them with acid. Joseph pronounced the artifacts genuine and determined they contained information about a descendant of Ham.

  11. Doctrine & Covenants Section 132: polygamy as a result of a "new and everlasting covenant … [and] if ye abide not that covenant, then are ye damned; for no one can reject this covenant and be permitted to enter into my glory." This revelation convinced more than thirty women, many in their teens and several married to other men, to share Joseph's celestial bed. And it ruined the lives of thousands of his devout followers. And exactly how does one get rid of something that is “everlasting”? The LDS Church has been trying to figure that one out since the Federal Government almost put them out of business in 1887.

  12. The Science of Kolob: the Sun borrows its light from Kolob through the medium of Kae-e-vanrash, and other stars receive their power through the revolutions of Kolob. Similarly, the earth receives its power through the medium of Kli-flos-is-es, or Hah-ko-kau-beam.

  13. Salvation through Joseph: or more specifically, the idea no one receives exaltation without recognizing Smith is a prophet of god and will pass before him in order to gain entry to the highest kingdom of heaven.

  14. The Eternal Progression: As man now is, god once was. As god now is, man may become.

  15. I'm greater than Jesus: Joseph's pompous boast made on May 26, 1844. Less than a month later, the vain prophet Joseph Smith was thrown down exactly as he prophesied.

One thing about Mormonism ... we can all have our own different rather lengthy lists of silly moments, with very little overlap ... and that's what makes it such an interesting religious faith.
20 posted on 10/03/2013 6:45:45 AM PDT by Zakeet (Democrats haven't destroyed your freedoms ... you can still visit them at the Smithsonian)
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To: Colofornian
There is quite a stark contrast between Christian martyrs who – in virtually every case – trusted God enough to welcome their death and Joseph Smith who so lacked belief in his own “religion” that he was terrified of dying.

Nobody outside of Islam and some far east religions "welcomes" death. They accept it, yes, but even Christ asked of the Father that the cup might pass Him by.

As for suicide, that would blow away the "terrified of dying" statement. Those in great fear of death don't kill themselves.

32 posted on 10/03/2013 7:07:07 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: Colofornian

This list is incorrect, as the TRUE #1 embarrassment (fallacy) of Moronism is the fact that a large part of the book of Moron was PLAGIARIZED from a manuscript written by one of my ancestors, Solomon Spalding (some spell it Spaulding)! True story has been passed down in my family for 180+ years, including pastors, ministers, etc. who wouldn’t make it up or lie about it.


43 posted on 10/03/2013 7:50:53 AM PDT by bonnieblue4me (You can put lipstick on a donkey (or a dimrat), but it is still an ass!)
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To: Colofornian
These 10 listed and Numero Uno got left OUT???



Joseph Smith:

Conman,
Glass looker,
Wife stealer,
Megalomaniac,
plagerist,
false prophet...

52 posted on 10/03/2013 8:49:52 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian

Megalomaniac...

Surely NOT!!!



“I Will Be a Second Mohammed”

In the heat of the Missouri “Mormon War” of 1838, Joseph Smith made the following claim, “I will be to this generation a second Mohammed, whose motto in treating for peace was ‘the Alcoran [Koran] or the Sword.’ So shall it eventually be with us—‘Joseph Smith or the Sword!’ ”[1]

It is most interesting that a self-proclaimed Christian prophet would liken himself to Mohammed, the founder of Islam. His own comparison invites us to take a closer look as well. And when we do, we find some striking—and troubling—parallels. Consider the following.

  • Mohammed and Joseph Smith both had humble beginnings. Neither had formal religious connections or upbringing, and both were relatively uneducated. Both founded new religions by creating their own scriptures. In fact, followers of both prophets claim these scriptures are miracles since their authors were the most simple and uneducated of men.[2]

  • Both prophets claim of having angel visitations, and of receiving divine revelation to restore pure religion to the earth again. Mohammed was told that both Jews and Christians had long since corrupted their scriptures and religion. In like manner, Joseph Smith was told that all of Christianity had become corrupt, and that consequently the Bible itself was no longer reliable. In both cases, this corruption required a complete restoration of both scripture and religion. Nothing which preceded either prophet could be relied upon any longer. Both prophets claim they were used of God to restore eternal truths which once existed on earth, but had been lost due to human corruption.

  • Both prophets created new scripture which borrowed heavily from the Bible, but with a substantially new “spin.” In his Koran, Mohammed appropriates a number of Biblical themes and characters—but he changes the complete sense of many passages, claiming to “correct” the Bible. In so doing he changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place. In like manner, Joseph Smith created the Book of Mormon, much of which is plagiarized directly from the King James Bible. Interestingly, the Book of Mormon claims that this same Bible has been substantially corrupted and is therefore unreliable. In addition, Joseph Smith went so far as to actually create his own version of the Bible itself, the “Inspired Version,” in which he both adds and deletes significant portions of text, claiming he is “correcting” it. In so doing he also changes many doctrines, introducing his own in their place.

  • As a part of their new scriptural “spin,” both prophets saw themselves as prophesied in scripture, and both saw themselves as a continuation of a long line of Biblical prophets. Mohammed saw himself as a continuation of the ministry of Moses and Jesus. Joseph Smith saw himself as a successor to Enoch, Melchizedek, Joseph and Moses. Joseph Smith actually wrote himself into his own version of the Bible—by name.

  • Both prophets held up their own scripture as superior to the Bible. Mohammed claimed that the Koran was a perfect copy of the original which was in heaven. The Koran is therefore held to be absolutely perfect, far superior to the Bible and superceding it. In like manner, Joseph Smith also made the following claim. “I told the Brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding its precepts, than by any other book.”[3]

  • Despite their claim that the Bible was corrupt, both prophets admonished their followers to adhere to its teachings. An obvious contradiction, this led to selective acceptance of some portions and wholesale rejection of others. As a result, the Bible is accepted by both groups of followers only to the extent that it agrees with their prophet’s own superior revelation.

  • Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith taught that true salvation was to be found only in their respective religions. Those who would not accept their message were considered “infidels,” pagans or Gentiles. In so doing, both prophets became the enemy of genuine Christianity, and have led many people away from the Christ of the Bible.

  • Both prophets encountered fierce opposition to their new religions and had to flee from town to town because of threats on their lives. Both retaliated to this opposition by forming their own militias. Both ultimately set up their own towns as model societies.

  • Both Mohammed and Joseph Smith left unclear instructions about their successors. The majority of Mohammed’s followers, Sunni Muslims, believe they were to elect their new leader, whereas the minority, Shiite Muslims, look to Alī ibn Abī Ṭālib, whom they consider Divinely appointed, as the rightful successor to Muhammad, and the first imam. (Ali was the cousin and son-in-law of the Islamic prophet Muhammad). Similarly, the majority of Joseph Smith's followers, Mormons, believed their next prophet should have been the existing leader of their quorum of twelve apostles, whereas the minority, RLDS, believed Joseph Smith's own son should have been their next prophet. Differences on this issue, and many others, have created substantial tension between these rival groups of each prophet.

  • Mohammed taught that Jesus was just another of a long line of human prophets, of which he was the last. He taught that he was superior to Christ and superceded Him. In comparison, Joseph Smith also made the following claim.

“I have more to boast of than ever any man had. I am the only man that has ever been able to keep a whole church together since the days of Adam. A large majority of the whole have stood by me. Neither Paul, John, Peter, nor Jesus ever did it. I boast that no man ever did such a work as I. The followers of Jesus ran away from Him, but the Latter-day Saints never ran away from me yet.”[4] In light of these parallels, perhaps Joseph Smith's claim to be a second Mohammed unwittingly became his most genuine prophecy of all.


[1] Joseph Smith made this statement at the conclusion of a speech in the public square at Far West, Missouri on October 14, 1838. This particular quote is documented in Fawn M. Brodie, No Man Knows My History, second edition, (New York: Alfred A. Knopf, 1971), p. 230–231. Fawn Brodie’s footnote regarding this speech contains valuable information, and follows. “Except where noted, all the details of this chapter [16] are taken from the History of the [Mormon] Church. This speech, however, was not recorded there, and the report given here is based upon the accounts of seven men. See the affidavits of T.B. Marsh, Orson Hyde, George M. Hinkle, John Corrill, W.W. Phelps, Samson Avard, and Reed Peck in Correspondence, Orders, etc., pp. 57–9, 97–129. The Marsh and Hyde account, which was made on October 24, is particularly important. Part of it was reproduced in History of the [Mormon] Church, Vol. III, p. 167. See also the Peck manuscript, p. 80. Joseph himself barely mentioned the speech in his history; see Vol. III, p. 162.”

[2] John Ankerberg & John Weldon, The Facts on Islam, (Eugene, OR: Harvest House Publishers, 1998), pp.8–9. Eric Johnson, Joseph Smith & Muhammed, (El Cajon, CA: Mormonism Research Ministry, 1998), pp. 6–7.

[3] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.4, pp.461.

[4] Documentary History of the [Mormon] Church, vol.6, pp.408–409.




53 posted on 10/03/2013 8:51:01 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian

Wife stealer...

Surely NOT!!!




54 posted on 10/03/2013 8:51:46 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian

You forgot to list the part where dark skin was a curse from God—until God told some Mormon bishop in the 1970s that it wasn’t any more.


56 posted on 10/03/2013 8:56:16 AM PDT by Defiant (A rainbow curtain has descended upon the west, from Munich to San Francisco.)
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To: Colofornian

Would Harry Reid qualify as an embarrassment to the Mormon Religion? As a Baptist, it embarrasses me that Jimmy Carter was considered to be a Baptist.


70 posted on 10/03/2013 9:09:44 AM PDT by sport
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To: Colofornian

Who cares?


88 posted on 10/04/2013 2:48:12 AM PDT by cynwoody
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129 posted on 10/05/2013 7:27:12 PM PDT by narses (... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.)
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