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To: CynicalBear; jodyel
Pre Trib Rapture is the only thing that fits what scripture teaches.

I attended Bible college back in the 70s. One of the classes was on the book of Revelation. The professor was an amillennialist. All through the course, he presented his views as we study the Scripture. There was no test at the end, but we had to write a paper.

I did a lot of Bible study and had given it a lot of thought. So the title of my paper was “a pre-millennial response to the heresy of amillennialism”. When I got back my paper, it had a big A+ written at the top. He laughingly told me that while he still didn't agree, I have presented the case pretty well.

But, in the end, it's really just counting how many angels on the head of a pin. There's enough Scripture to let us know that it really doesn't matter when, or where, that the only thing important is to know we'll be there with Him in the end. Until then, it's interesting for debate, but it's better to spend the time preaching Christ crucified! The Gospel is the message, and all the rest is just something to talk about…

30 posted on 10/04/2013 4:48:11 PM PDT by WVKayaker ("The only place that the left hasn't placed the blame is on their agenda..." -Sarah Palin)
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To: WVKayaker; jodyel
>>Until then, it's interesting for debate, but it's better to spend the time preaching Christ crucified!<<

Some still need milk others have grown to include meat.

37 posted on 10/04/2013 4:58:58 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: WVKayaker
But, in the end, it's really just counting how many angels on the head of a pin. There's enough Scripture to let us know that it really doesn't matter when, or where, that the only thing important is to know we'll be there with Him in the end. Until then, it's interesting for debate, but it's better to spend the time preaching Christ crucified! The Gospel is the message, and all the rest is just something to talk about…

However, if the Rapture is pre-tribulation (which I believe it is), the Great Tribulation then is all about the Jews, Jerusalem and Israel...

And that explains tons of things in the scriptures that otherwise do not fit anywhere else...

Matthew 24 and 25...Tribulation passages...NOT for the church...Judgment of the Nations on how they treated the Jews during the Tribulation...James and Hebrews, Tribulation...Those Jews are going to need plenty of scripture to lean on during those horrific times...

The World's and especially the attitudes of Christian churches toward Israel during the Church age...

Whether people admit it or not, and most don't, the Gospels teach salvation is by faith AND works...That's whyu so many people believe it...They read it because it's in there...

And those are the same people that skip over Paul's epistles where the formula deletes the works aspect of salvation...

My side does the same thing, but the opposite...We believe in grace by faith without works so everything in the scriptures has to teach without works...Ain't so...

I'd say it is very important to understand when the Rapture shows up and who it does and doesn't apply to...

104 posted on 10/05/2013 9:52:12 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: WVKayaker
I heard Stuart Briscoe preach on this and he was very convincing in his presentation of pan millenialism. It will all pan out in the end. I know, it is cute but when you are staring at end times and feeling the cold breath on your neck, it gets more serious.
179 posted on 10/06/2013 7:19:49 PM PDT by goosie
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To: WVKayaker

AMEN!!! Be ready, be faithful, be watching!

John 14:1-6. Jesus tells the faithful all that is important.

Focus on the Upper Room Discourse. Those who truly trust and obey Jesus Christ fear not the Olivet Discourse.


766 posted on 10/15/2013 8:01:46 PM PDT by redleghunter
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