Posted on 10/09/2013 11:14:38 AM PDT by Colofornian
OK by me too.
Oh yes, the Joyce Meyers, Creflo Dollar, et al. Blech!
Oneness Pentecostals deny the Trinity, say that the evidence of salvation is by speaking in tongues, women don’t cut their hair, don’t wear makeup, and don’t wear pants. Lots of ‘em down here in Texas where I live.
Had a family of OPs living across from me a few years back and they did not like me very much. Their kids did cause all kids love me and I love them, but I don’t hold back where Christ is concerned. So all that tongues stuff and denying the Trinity...nah, I told ‘em exactly what was what with that malarkey.
So I tend to piss everyone off cause I tell it like it is...Catholics here don’t like me, don’t know any Mormons yet but have a feeling I am fixin’ to, and then the OPs left the neighborhood because I was so outspoken. Don’t care though....will never compromise or water down the Gospel to please anyone. Me and Paul all the way, man!!
Don’t need no stinkin’ apparitions!
So OPs are absolutely NOT Biblical.
Keep on keeping on.
I have fiber optic to the home.
What's 'bandwidth'?
I've not seen this data. Got a link to it?
Until then, read a transcript of what the security audio recorded shorty after that incident...
JESUS: Hey Smith! Remember that boast you made about doing more than even I had done to hold the 'church' together?
JOSEPH SMITH: Where am I?
JESUS: Don't you remember? A few seconds ago you were in that jail.
JOSEPH SMITH: Oh; yeah; but where am I NOW?
JESUS: Don't you remember? Does bang - bang ring a bell?
JOSEPH SMITH: Oh; yeah - that crummy gun I had was about USELESS!
JESUS: I hope you left instructions on how to hold your church together.
JOSEPH SMITH: Dang! I knew there was SOMETHING I was forgetting!
JESUS: Looks like there's a power struggle going on down there.
JOSEPH SMITH: Yeah; there was always SOMEone who wanted the power that I held - especially over the LADIES - wink wink.
JESUS: No need to worry about that now; remember what my friend Matthew wrote down?
JOSEPH SMITH: This? “At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven” (Matthew 22:30)
JESUS: That's it.
JOSEPH SMITH: I thought that was mistranslated.
JESUS: Nah - it was right.
JOSEPH SMITH: Oh well; it was fun while it lasted. My buds will still get it on with the girls.
JESUS: Uh; I'm sorry; in just a few more years; your followers will cavein to the United States government and abandon the 'Eternal Covenant' that you came up with.
JOSEPH SMITH: ME!? YOU are the one that told me to do that!
JESUS: Sorry; but you must have mistranslated what I told you. What part of Do NOT commit ADULTERY did you not understand?
JOSEPH SMITH: mumble....
JESUS: What did you say?
JOSEPH SMITH: Oh, nothing.
JESUS: Well; it was interesting talking to you; but now I must get back to perparing a place for those who believe in Me.
JOSEPH SMITH: Oh, yeah; the Celestial Kingdom.
JESUS: No...
JOSEPH SMITH: The Telestial one?
JESUS: Nope.
JOSEPH SMITH: SUREly not the TERRESTRIAL one!!
JESUS: Nope. Didn't you read that the mind of man had NOT conceived of it? Paul wrote it down in 1 Corinthians 2:9.
JOSEPH SMITH: I thought that was mistranslated.
JESUS: No; it wasn't.
JOSEPH SMITH: You SURE?
JESUS: Yes. Now I must be going: what did you say your name was again?
JOSEPH SMITH: Joseph Smith.
JESUS: Hmmmm. According to my Heavenly FAITHbook, you didn't sign in as one of my friends - sorry, I never knew you.
JOSEPH SMITH: But....
Coffee?!
Worry more about steaks grilled to perfection in the summertime!
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No, but they think they are. And you cannot tell them anything different or they will get their tail feathers in a twist and walk away.
Pride, man, pride. Keeps many a good person away from the Lord.
Go to their website, order a BoM, and I can almost assure you that a couple of fine young folks will come visit you!
You might try to get a copy (free, of course) of their OTHER scriptures - the ones that actually contain some doctrine.
Oh; they’re biblical alright; just very highly selective of the verses they use and how they ‘interpret’ them.
You will NOT find this in ANY of their 'scripture'.
I wonder why??
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I think I will pass. Don’t need a lot of gobbledygook in my head...got enough as it is. :)
You never heard that before? That Catholicism teaches that there is no salvation outside the Catholic church?
Heard it all through my pre-Vatican 2 growing up years and now I'm being told that I was *poorly catechized*.
ah, no
wow, I did not realize Catholicism was so far off the mark.
I’m still learning and I was raised Catholic with priests and a nun in the family.
http://sidneyrigdon.com/criddle/Smith-ConMan.htm
http://mormonconspiracy.com/joseph-smith.html
keep in mind that there were two people with guns in the Carthage hotel/Jail. One was Joseph Jr. the other was Hyrum. Joseph Smith Jr. was shot inside and crashed through the window, falling outside, after he had attempted to fire 6 shots (only 3 igniting). Hyrum was shot in the face. The Smith brothers got off 4 shots. Only 2 of the mob approaching them were hit. Where did the other shots go?
Excellent question!
I've addressed that several times on FR threads -- including one from 3.5 years ago: Mormon Times [The Mormon Times is no longer published as such, but owned by the Mormon Church]: 'A different take on the Carthage mob -- BYU Studies Symposium' [see especially post #2...which I've recopied below].
From all indicators, one bullet likely (accidentally) went into his brother Hyrum's back...but was not the fatal shot that killed Hyrum, which came from the front.
Note this source: Official History of the Church (Vol. 7, pp 100-103):
"I shall never forget the deep feeling of sympathy and regard manifested in the countenance of Brother Joseph as he drew nigh to Hyrum, and, leaning over him, exclaimed, 'Oh! my poor, dear brother Hyrum!' He, however, instantly arose, and with a firm, quick step, and a determined expression of countenance, approached the door, and pulling the six-shooter left by Brother Wheelock from his pocket, opened the door slightly, and snapped the pistol six successive times; only three of the barrels, however, were discharged. I afterwards understood that two or three were wounded by these discharges, two of whom, I am informed, died."
And: "It certainly was a terrible scene: streams of fire as thick as my arm passed by me as these men fired, and, unarmed as we were, it looked like certain death. I remember feeling as though my time had come, but I do not know when, in any critical position, I was more calm, unruffled, energetic, and acted with more promptness and decision. It certainly was far from pleasant to be so near the muzzles of those firearms as they belched forth their liquid flames and deadly balls. While I was engaged in parrying the guns, Brother Joseph said, 'That's right, Brother Taylor, parry them off as well as you can.' These were the last words I ever heard him speak on earth."
From two other sources, as cited by Tangible Information:
Reporter John Hay, of the Atlantic Monthly identified three men who were shot by Joseph Smith:
John Wills in the arm,
William Vorhees in the shoulder,
and William Gallagher in the face.
Hay was a son of Charles Hay, a surgeon of the Carthage militia and apparently a member of the mob.
"Smith had two loaded six-barrelled revolvers in his room. How a man on trial for capital offences came to be supplied with such luxuries is a mystery that perhaps only one man could fully have solved; and as General Deming, the Jack-Mormon sheriff, died soon after, and left no explanation of the matter, investigation is effectually baffled. But the four shots which I have chronicled, and two which had no billet, exhausted one pistol, and the enemy gave Smith no time to use the other. Severely wounded as he was, he ran to the window, which was open to receive the fresh June air, and half leaped, half fell, into the jail yard below." - John Hay, "The Mormon Prophet's Tragedy," Atlantic Monthly (December 1869) 671-678.
The same Web site says:
In another contemporary account from a faithful Latter-Day Saint: "Of the three barrels discharged by Joseph, it is believed he hit three men:
an Irishman named Wells-who was in the mob from his love of a brawl-in the arm;
Voorhees-an oversized kid from Bear Creek known for his lack of good sense-in the shoulder;
and a man named Gallagher-a Southerner from the Mississippi Bottom-in the face."
"Two other men were known to get hit in the hall, one a man named Townsend from Fort Madison, Iowa Territory, who died nine months later from the arm wound that wouldn't heal,
and another named Mills, who was shot in the arm." - Elder Reed Blake, 24 Hours to Martyrdom, p. 129
So as these mob members were shot down by Joseph Smith and perhaps another left standing in room, how is it that Joseph's brother, Hyrum, came to have a back wound?
From a Mormon author:
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