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The Great Apostasy [Mormonism labels ALL Protestant, Catholic & Orthodox churches 'apostate']
Mormonism Research Ministry ^ | Aaron Shafovaloff

Posted on 10/09/2013 11:14:38 AM PDT by Colofornian

Around the world the fame of Christ spreads. Men and women lift their hands to praise the name of Jesus, worshiping him as the King of kings and Lord of lords. Full of the Holy Spirit, they lift him up as their savior, redeemer, and advocate. His gospel is preached, his word is believed, and his death and resurrection are celebrated in the Lord's Supper. Millions are baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, trusting in the person and work of Christ for forgiveness of sins, eternal life, and the transformation of their heart. Hundreds of millions of Christians gather to fellowship over the risen Christ.

Yet Mormonism pats these Christians on the heads and pities them. The "one true church", Mormonism says, is found nowhere in non-Mormon Christendom. The gift of the indwelling Holy Spirit is found nowhere outside Mormonism. The God of Mormonism recognizes no missionary work, no baptism, and no communion outside The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as authorized. Despite patronizing us with the uninteresting affirmation that all religion has some truth in it, Mormonism still teaches that God told Joseph Smith:

"I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: 'they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.'" (Joseph Smith—History)

Mormonism teaches that Christ's church fell into what has been described as a complete and universal apostasy. Though LDS leaders cannot agree as to when this actually happened, they do agree that it must have happened. “Nothing less than a complete apostasy from the Christian religion would warrant the establishment of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints” (B.H. Roberts, History of the Church 1:XL).

Evolution of the doctrine

Charles R. Harrell writes in This Is My Doctrine:

The earliest recorded LDS teachings give little indication of a universal apostasy, especially in the way it is currently understood. At first, Mormonism shared the popular evangelical sentiment that the apostasy simply consisted of a departure from gospel teachings and practices, and not the withdrawal of priesthood authority. The Book of Mormon, for example, makes no prediction of an apostasy which involves either the priesthood or the Church being taken from the earth; nor does it mention that important ordinances pertaining to exaltation (e.g., temple ordinances) would be discontinued and need to be restored. Rather, the earliest Mormon teachings of an apostasy, like those from other contemporary restorationists, spoke only of moral corruption, a clouding or perversion of the basic teachings of Christ causing “an exceedingly great many . . . to stumble” (1 Ne. 13:29), and a denial of the power of the Holy Ghost—which includes the working of miracles (2 Ne. 28:4–15; Morm. 8:26–31).

The Book of Mormon refers to the “formation” after the time of the apostles of a “great and abominable church” (1 Ne. 13:6–9, 26–28), which early Saints understood as referring primarily to the Catholic Church. But since the Book of Mormon further defined it non-denominationally as any group opposed to “the church of the Lamb of God” (1 Ne. 14:10), Saints also came to see it as referring to any religion or government opposing God’s work. Notably, the Book of Mormon doesn’t ever suggest that the church of the Lamb would be taken from the earth, only that in the latter days, “its numbers . . . [would be] few, because of the wickedness and abominations of the whore who sat upon many waters” (1 Ne 14:12).

Prior to 1834, there is no mention of priesthood being taken from the earth—or restored for that matter (see Chapter 4). Instead, the Lord tells the Saints in December 1832, “The priesthood hath continued through the lineage of your fathers . . . therefore your life and the priesthood have remained” (D&C 86:8–10; emphasis mine). It isn’t until several years after the restoration of the Church that apostasy narratives began to include a loss of authority along with essential saving ordinances, thus paving the way for the current LDS understanding of the Great Apostasy.

Throughout the nineteenth century and well into the twentieth century, the apostasy continued to be defined primarily as a period of gospel perversion, spiritual darkness and loss of priesthood authority. Catholicism continued to be seen by many as being the principal culprit in corrupting the church.

Current LDS historians note a cultural bias underlying early Mormon characterizations of Christianity as a corrupt morass of false teachings; moreover, there is still considerable inertia which keeps these legacy teachings alive. In his historical survey of LDS literature on the apostasy, BYU history professor Eric Dursteler observes that early LDS treatises on the apostasy were “clearly” influenced by “the highly polemical, popular, confessional, historical literature of the nineteenth century and the anticlerical literature of the eighteenth-century enlightenment.” He further notes that, although the characterization of the Middle Ages as a dark and decadent era and the Renaissance as an era of spiritual awakening has been repudiated by virtually all modern historians of the past century, “Latter-day Saint treatments of the apostasy . . . have retained much of their binary vision of the Middle Ages and Renaissance.”

With modern scholarship having an increasing influence on Mormon perceptions of history, Dursteler observes that there seems to be a growing tendency among LDS writers to “move away” from depicting the apostasy as bringing on a long period of darkness followed by the dawning of the Reformation. “Instead,” he notes, “the apostasy is depicted simply as an age in which priesthood authority did not exist.” Thus, the concept of the apostasy has shifted from a loss of spiritual gifts and truths to primarily a loss of priesthood authority.

LDS characterizations of other religions as the “church of the devil” have significantly diminished. In 1990, for example, the mock representation of Protestant ministers as hirelings of Satan was removed from the LDS temple ceremony.

BYU professor Spencer Fluhman observes:

"I don't think the early Latter-day Saints discerned a doctrinal restoration in the ways that you and I do until Nauvoo. Until Joseph Smith's teaching gravitated to those topics like the nature of God. And he began saying things in distinctive enough ways that the Latter-day Saints began to discern a real addition to their understanding of God and humanity and eternity and so on. Many of the revelations in the 1830s put forward new ideas, but the Saints didn't discern a doctrinal restoration really until the late 30s and into the Nauvoo period... In some ways the cosmos was rearranged for them in Nauvoo." (BYU professor Spencer Fluhman, Mormon Identity)

True to the Faith, a currently used "correlated" booklet, summarizes the Great Apostasy this way:

"After the deaths of the Savior and His Apostles, men corrupted the principles of the gospel and made unauthorized changes in Church organization and priesthood ordinances. Because of this widespread wickedness, the Lord withdrew the authority of the priesthood from the earth. During the Great Apostasy, people were without divine direction from living prophets. Many churches were established, but they did not have priesthood power to lead people to the true knowledge of God the Father and Jesus Christ. Parts of the holy scriptures were corrupted or lost, and no one had the authority to confer the gift of the Holy Ghost or perform other priesthood ordinances. This apostasy lasted until Heavenly Father and His Beloved Son appeared to Joseph Smith in 1820 and initiated the restoration of the fulness of the gospel. We now live in a time when the gospel of Jesus Christ has been restored. But unlike the Church in times past, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints will not be overcome by general apostasy. The scriptures teach that the Church will never again be destroyed (see D&C 138:44; see also Daniel 2:44)"

Today, Mormonism associates the Great Apostasy with a:

Mormons see the Restoration of the LDS Church as a reversal of the above.

Soft vs. harsh definitions

Depending on the context and person either a soft or harsh definition is used for "Great Apostasy." Soft Mormon definitions of "apostasy" are minimized to the loss of priesthood authority. More harsh Mormon definitions of "apostasy" encompass the loss of any true, faithful Christians. At the very least, in this view the professing Christians grovel in spiritual darkness, being under the power of Satan himself. The common New Testament prooftexts used by Mormons for the Great Apostasy usually operate with a more harsh Mormon definition, but when scrutinized, Mormons will often revert to a minimal or soft definition. Mormons are in a tough spot today, wanting simultaneously to affirm their traditional and scriptural teachings on the Great Apostasy (replete with harsh, sweeping moral indictments), yet generalizing these "apostate" Christians as having good intentions and the light of Christ.

Examples of the "harsh" approach

Example of the "soft" approach

The gospel itself, lost from the earth?

Mormon Prooftexts

Old Testament

New Testament

As a rule of thumb, texts Mormons use to support the Great Apostasy from the New Testament usually either:

Harell writes:

"On careful examination, none of the New Testament passages referring to heresies within the church or persecution from without seems to predict a wholesale departure from the faith; all seem to assume that there would be faithful saints who remain on the earth until Christ comes. Miami University New Testament professor Roy Ward observed that every prediction of an apostasy in the New Testament and other apocalyptic literature 'always assumes that the righteous will have a continuing existence until the end, despite the apostasia.'" (ch. 2)

Passages that refute the Great Apostasy

Did a Universal Apostasy and Restoration Really...

Jesus as the groom, friend, shepherd, and true vine

Hypocritical standards

Prioritizing intellectuals over apostles and prophets as cause for apostasy

BYU professor Kent P. Jackson writes:

"Though pagans and persecutors often caused difficulties for early Christians, from the historical record there is no reason to believe that persecution had anything to do with the Apostasy, and the evidence does not point to Church members abandoning the faith to revert to their ancestral paganism. Nor do the sources suggest that the Apostasy was the result of Christians becoming less active in their faith or losing interest in it. Instead, we see zealous Church members who were not content with 'sound doctrine' but still had 'itching ears' for religion (2 Tim. 4:3-4). And they did what their counterparts do in our own day. They sought out what a modern apostle has called 'alternate voices,' 5 teachers whose words they found to be more 'pleasing unto the carnal mind' (Alma 30:53)—more intellectually stimulating, more in style with contemporary ideas, or more spiritually titillating—than were the teachings of the Lord's authorized servants. In due time this process resulted in a spiritual transformation in the Church. The divinely revealed authority of apostles was replaced by the self-appointed authority of intellectuals." (From Apostasy to Restoration, ch. 3)

Yet this is precisely what is happening in modern Mormonism. Informed Mormons are prioritizing the voices of Robert Millet, Stephen Robinson, Michael Ash, Blake Ostler, Daniel Peterson, etc., over apostles and prophets like Spencer Kimball, Dallin Oaks, Richard G. Scott, Boyd K. Packer, etc. Jackson might as well be talking about Sunstone, FAIR, FARMS, or the BYU religion department.

Disregarding truth to promote the interests of the church as evidence of apostasy

Mormon apostle James Talmage writes:

"Disregard for truth. As early as the fourth century, certain pernicious doctrines embodying a disregard for truth gained currency in the Church. Thus, it was taught "that it was an act of virtue to deceive and lie, when by that means the interests of the church might be promoted." Needless to say, sins other than those of falsehood and deceit were justified when committed in the supposed interests of church advancement, and crime was condoned under the specious excuse that the end justifies the means. Many of the fables and fictitious stories relating to the lives of Christ and the apostles, as also the spurious accounts of supernatural visitations and wonderful miracles, in which the literature of the early centuries abound, are traceable to this infamous doctrine that lies are acceptable unto God if perpetrated in a cause that man calls good." - The Great Apostasy, ch. 7

Other Quotes

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Ministry/Outreach; Other non-Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: apostasy; christian; cult; flds; lds; mormonism; nonchristian; principle; whackadoodle
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To: Colofornian
Well, Mormons have endorsed Joseph Smith's rewriting of the Bible.

Some have (the ones SLC won't 'allow' to be CALLED Mormons!) but SLC itself says the JST is NOT to be considered 'scripture'.

SLC Mormonism has 4 books they consider to be Scripture:

The Book of MORMON
The KJV of the bible (with it's undocumented translation errors)
The Doctrines and Covenants
and the Pearl of Great Price (That contains the bogus Book of Abraham)


http://www.lds.org/scriptures?lang=eng&cid=rdscriptures

61 posted on 10/09/2013 1:13:32 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Ransomed

Some of us more talented folks can multitask.


62 posted on 10/09/2013 1:14:44 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: jodyel
Can’t be bashing Christians cause Mormons are not Christian.

But the SIGN on every one of their 'churchs' says...


63 posted on 10/09/2013 1:19:16 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
...maybe your Mormon buddies or a few of the apostates on this forum...

Not very many of them around these days.

I guess politics means more to them than religion.

64 posted on 10/09/2013 1:20:35 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Colofornian
REMEMBER:

The best MORMON tactic is to get P's and C's to fight!

That way, they can tuck their little tails between their legs and slink away.

65 posted on 10/09/2013 1:22:10 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Yes, I thought about that.

The other factor was that a high-reply thread at least garners the attention of others into wonderin: "What's drawing so many into this thread?" (And the curiosity factor opens the door for many to at least visit & check it all out)

66 posted on 10/09/2013 1:24:16 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian
(a) See if you can find EVEN ONCE where the entity that appeared to Smith is DIRECTLY referenced as God or as Jesus.

Some might be to uninterested to look it up; so I'll be like the little Shake'nBake girl and say: "and I helped!"


The so-called 'CHRIST' personage said nothing...

Read it for yourself:

 

 
 
 


http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/17#17

  17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!
  18 My object in going to inquire of the Lord was to know which of all the sects was right, that I might know which to join. No sooner, therefore, did I get possession of myself, so as to be able to speak, than I asked the Personages who stood above me in the light, which of all the sects was right (for at this time it had never entered into my heart that all were wrong)—and which I should join.
  19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
  20 He again forbade me to join with any of them; and many other things did he say unto me, which I cannot write at this time. When I came to myself again, I found myself lying on my back, looking up into heaven. 


67 posted on 10/09/2013 1:26:16 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Jessy Dixon's words speak for me on this topic:

Chorus I am redeemed, bought with a price, Jesus has changed my whole life. If anybody asks you, just who I am, tell them I am redeemed.

Verse 1 Where there is hat, love now abides, where there was confusion, peace now reigns. I'm a child, child of the King, it's all because I am redeemed.

Chorus

Verse 2 I'll tell of His favor, I'll tell of His love, I'll tell of His goodness to me. He purchased my redemption with His own precious blood, and from sin I've been set free.

Chorus

Verse 3 There's no shackles on me, I'm as free as I can be; because Jesus changed my life. He died up on the cross, that's why I can tell the world that I am redeemed.

Chorus

Verse 4 If you run across anybody that used to know me, tell them I'm doing fine. The last time that you saw me, I was lifting up holy hands, I'll tell them I've been redeemed.

You can call me 'Redeemed'.

(-:

68 posted on 10/09/2013 1:26:18 PM PDT by MeganC (A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don't have one, you'll never need one again. 969)
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To: MeganC

Works for me!


69 posted on 10/09/2013 1:28:07 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: YHAOS

That’s OK. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

I label them as a cult.


70 posted on 10/09/2013 1:30:21 PM PDT by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of faith....)
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To: MeganC
Jessy Dixon's words speak for me on this topic:

Here are some other words that address this topic; too!


(click)
Praise to the Man!
 
 
 
Praise to the man who communed with Jehovah!
Jesus annointed that Prophet and Seer.
Blessed to open the last dispensation,
Kings shall extol him, and nations revere.

Chorus
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.

Praise to his mem'ry, he died as a martyr;
Honored and blest be his ever great name!
Long shall his blood, which was shed by assasins,
Plead unto heav'n while the earth lauds his fame.

Chorus
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.


Great is his glory and endless his priesthood.
Ever and ever the keys he will hold.
Faithful and true he will enter his kingdom,
Crowned in the midst of the prophets of old.

Chorus
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.


Sacrifice brings forth the blessings of heaven;
Earth must atone for the blood of that man.
Wake up the world for the conflict of justice.
Millions shall know 'Brother Joseph' again.

Chorus
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.


71 posted on 10/09/2013 1:30:23 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie
Comandment the First: Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

And that was literally written by the Hand of God...no interpretation needed.

72 posted on 10/09/2013 1:32:35 PM PDT by MeganC (A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don't have one, you'll never need one again. 969)
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To: YHAOS

Thanks for the ping!


73 posted on 10/09/2013 1:42:16 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: katana

Katana, you are right. i have posted a link from the catechism of the catholic church. see #845:

“outside the Church there is no salvation (extra ecclesiam nulla salus)”

http://www.vatican.va/archive/ENG0015/__P29.HTM


74 posted on 10/09/2013 1:42:54 PM PDT by stonewall_jackson215
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To: jodyel

The RC’s are a little slippery on that point. They do make allowances that salvation is attainable through other churches, but they still claim they are the only truly reliable way, and that all the salvation you might find elsewhere still “flows through” them.


75 posted on 10/09/2013 1:51:50 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Ransomed

Thanks to everyone who responded. I might let someone at our church whose mother was Catholic and father Protestant know that the nun at her school who told her that her father was going to Hell was in error. She knows that now but it was more than a little traumatic for a little girl to hear.


76 posted on 10/09/2013 2:09:48 PM PDT by katana (Just my opinions)
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To: laotzu

You’ve got some nerve calling people liberals when you are the one parroting liberal talking points about “bashing” just because someone voices a little criticism.


77 posted on 10/09/2013 2:17:57 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Elsie

Yup. Funny how as soon as Mittens lost, they all vanished. Maybe they really were the true church and all got beamed up to Kolob?


78 posted on 10/09/2013 2:19:47 PM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Elsie

snicker


79 posted on 10/09/2013 2:23:06 PM PDT by svcw (Socialism is so great, that it will be forced on you.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

Actually, Battle Star Galactica is based on the book of mormon.......really good sifi (new one not the original)


80 posted on 10/09/2013 2:24:54 PM PDT by svcw (Socialism is so great, that it will be forced on you.)
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