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The Great Apostasy [Mormonism labels ALL Protestant, Catholic & Orthodox churches 'apostate']
Mormonism Research Ministry ^ | Aaron Shafovaloff

Posted on 10/09/2013 11:14:38 AM PDT by Colofornian

Around the world the fame of Christ spreads. Men and women lift their hands to praise the name of Jesus, worshiping him as the King of kings and Lord of lords. Full of the Holy Spirit, they lift him up as their savior, redeemer, and advocate. His gospel is preached, his word is believed, and his death and resurrection are celebrated in the Lord's Supper. Millions are baptized in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, trusting in the person and work of Christ for forgiveness of sins, eternal life, and the transformation of their heart. Hundreds of millions of Christians gather to fellowship over the risen Christ.

Yet Mormonism pats these Christians on the heads and pities them. The "one true church", Mormonism says, is found nowhere in non-Mormon Christendom. The gift of the indwelling Holy Spirit is found nowhere outside Mormonism. The God of Mormonism recognizes no missionary work, no baptism, and no communion outside The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as authorized. Despite patronizing us with the uninteresting affirmation that all religion has some truth in it, Mormonism still teaches that God told Joseph Smith:

"I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: 'they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.'" (Joseph Smith—History)

Mormonism teaches that Christ's church fell into what has been described as a complete and universal apostasy. Though LDS leaders cannot agree as to when this actually happened, they do agree that it must have happened. “Nothing less than a complete apostasy from the Christian religion would warrant the establishment of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints” (B.H. Roberts, History of the Church 1:XL).

Evolution of the doctrine

Charles R. Harrell writes in This Is My Doctrine:

The earliest recorded LDS teachings give little indication of a universal apostasy, especially in the way it is currently understood. At first, Mormonism shared the popular evangelical sentiment that the apostasy simply consisted of a departure from gospel teachings and practices, and not the withdrawal of priesthood authority. The Book of Mormon, for example, makes no prediction of an apostasy which involves either the priesthood or the Church being taken from the earth; nor does it mention that important ordinances pertaining to exaltation (e.g., temple ordinances) would be discontinued and need to be restored. Rather, the earliest Mormon teachings of an apostasy, like those from other contemporary restorationists, spoke only of moral corruption, a clouding or perversion of the basic teachings of Christ causing “an exceedingly great many . . . to stumble” (1 Ne. 13:29), and a denial of the power of the Holy Ghost—which includes the working of miracles (2 Ne. 28:4–15; Morm. 8:26–31).

The Book of Mormon refers to the “formation” after the time of the apostles of a “great and abominable church” (1 Ne. 13:6–9, 26–28), which early Saints understood as referring primarily to the Catholic Church. But since the Book of Mormon further defined it non-denominationally as any group opposed to “the church of the Lamb of God” (1 Ne. 14:10), Saints also came to see it as referring to any religion or government opposing God’s work. Notably, the Book of Mormon doesn’t ever suggest that the church of the Lamb would be taken from the earth, only that in the latter days, “its numbers . . . [would be] few, because of the wickedness and abominations of the whore who sat upon many waters” (1 Ne 14:12).

Prior to 1834, there is no mention of priesthood being taken from the earth—or restored for that matter (see Chapter 4). Instead, the Lord tells the Saints in December 1832, “The priesthood hath continued through the lineage of your fathers . . . therefore your life and the priesthood have remained” (D&C 86:8–10; emphasis mine). It isn’t until several years after the restoration of the Church that apostasy narratives began to include a loss of authority along with essential saving ordinances, thus paving the way for the current LDS understanding of the Great Apostasy.

Throughout the nineteenth century and well into the twentieth century, the apostasy continued to be defined primarily as a period of gospel perversion, spiritual darkness and loss of priesthood authority. Catholicism continued to be seen by many as being the principal culprit in corrupting the church.

Current LDS historians note a cultural bias underlying early Mormon characterizations of Christianity as a corrupt morass of false teachings; moreover, there is still considerable inertia which keeps these legacy teachings alive. In his historical survey of LDS literature on the apostasy, BYU history professor Eric Dursteler observes that early LDS treatises on the apostasy were “clearly” influenced by “the highly polemical, popular, confessional, historical literature of the nineteenth century and the anticlerical literature of the eighteenth-century enlightenment.” He further notes that, although the characterization of the Middle Ages as a dark and decadent era and the Renaissance as an era of spiritual awakening has been repudiated by virtually all modern historians of the past century, “Latter-day Saint treatments of the apostasy . . . have retained much of their binary vision of the Middle Ages and Renaissance.”

With modern scholarship having an increasing influence on Mormon perceptions of history, Dursteler observes that there seems to be a growing tendency among LDS writers to “move away” from depicting the apostasy as bringing on a long period of darkness followed by the dawning of the Reformation. “Instead,” he notes, “the apostasy is depicted simply as an age in which priesthood authority did not exist.” Thus, the concept of the apostasy has shifted from a loss of spiritual gifts and truths to primarily a loss of priesthood authority.

LDS characterizations of other religions as the “church of the devil” have significantly diminished. In 1990, for example, the mock representation of Protestant ministers as hirelings of Satan was removed from the LDS temple ceremony.

BYU professor Spencer Fluhman observes:

"I don't think the early Latter-day Saints discerned a doctrinal restoration in the ways that you and I do until Nauvoo. Until Joseph Smith's teaching gravitated to those topics like the nature of God. And he began saying things in distinctive enough ways that the Latter-day Saints began to discern a real addition to their understanding of God and humanity and eternity and so on. Many of the revelations in the 1830s put forward new ideas, but the Saints didn't discern a doctrinal restoration really until the late 30s and into the Nauvoo period... In some ways the cosmos was rearranged for them in Nauvoo." (BYU professor Spencer Fluhman, Mormon Identity)

True to the Faith, a currently used "correlated" booklet, summarizes the Great Apostasy this way:

"After the deaths of the Savior and His Apostles, men corrupted the principles of the gospel and made unauthorized changes in Church organization and priesthood ordinances. Because of this widespread wickedness, the Lord withdrew the authority of the priesthood from the earth. During the Great Apostasy, people were without divine direction from living prophets. Many churches were established, but they did not have priesthood power to lead people to the true knowledge of God the Father and Jesus Christ. Parts of the holy scriptures were corrupted or lost, and no one had the authority to confer the gift of the Holy Ghost or perform other priesthood ordinances. This apostasy lasted until Heavenly Father and His Beloved Son appeared to Joseph Smith in 1820 and initiated the restoration of the fulness of the gospel. We now live in a time when the gospel of Jesus Christ has been restored. But unlike the Church in times past, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints will not be overcome by general apostasy. The scriptures teach that the Church will never again be destroyed (see D&C 138:44; see also Daniel 2:44)"

Today, Mormonism associates the Great Apostasy with a:

Mormons see the Restoration of the LDS Church as a reversal of the above.

Soft vs. harsh definitions

Depending on the context and person either a soft or harsh definition is used for "Great Apostasy." Soft Mormon definitions of "apostasy" are minimized to the loss of priesthood authority. More harsh Mormon definitions of "apostasy" encompass the loss of any true, faithful Christians. At the very least, in this view the professing Christians grovel in spiritual darkness, being under the power of Satan himself. The common New Testament prooftexts used by Mormons for the Great Apostasy usually operate with a more harsh Mormon definition, but when scrutinized, Mormons will often revert to a minimal or soft definition. Mormons are in a tough spot today, wanting simultaneously to affirm their traditional and scriptural teachings on the Great Apostasy (replete with harsh, sweeping moral indictments), yet generalizing these "apostate" Christians as having good intentions and the light of Christ.

Examples of the "harsh" approach

Example of the "soft" approach

The gospel itself, lost from the earth?

Mormon Prooftexts

Old Testament

New Testament

As a rule of thumb, texts Mormons use to support the Great Apostasy from the New Testament usually either:

Harell writes:

"On careful examination, none of the New Testament passages referring to heresies within the church or persecution from without seems to predict a wholesale departure from the faith; all seem to assume that there would be faithful saints who remain on the earth until Christ comes. Miami University New Testament professor Roy Ward observed that every prediction of an apostasy in the New Testament and other apocalyptic literature 'always assumes that the righteous will have a continuing existence until the end, despite the apostasia.'" (ch. 2)

Passages that refute the Great Apostasy

Did a Universal Apostasy and Restoration Really...

Jesus as the groom, friend, shepherd, and true vine

Hypocritical standards

Prioritizing intellectuals over apostles and prophets as cause for apostasy

BYU professor Kent P. Jackson writes:

"Though pagans and persecutors often caused difficulties for early Christians, from the historical record there is no reason to believe that persecution had anything to do with the Apostasy, and the evidence does not point to Church members abandoning the faith to revert to their ancestral paganism. Nor do the sources suggest that the Apostasy was the result of Christians becoming less active in their faith or losing interest in it. Instead, we see zealous Church members who were not content with 'sound doctrine' but still had 'itching ears' for religion (2 Tim. 4:3-4). And they did what their counterparts do in our own day. They sought out what a modern apostle has called 'alternate voices,' 5 teachers whose words they found to be more 'pleasing unto the carnal mind' (Alma 30:53)—more intellectually stimulating, more in style with contemporary ideas, or more spiritually titillating—than were the teachings of the Lord's authorized servants. In due time this process resulted in a spiritual transformation in the Church. The divinely revealed authority of apostles was replaced by the self-appointed authority of intellectuals." (From Apostasy to Restoration, ch. 3)

Yet this is precisely what is happening in modern Mormonism. Informed Mormons are prioritizing the voices of Robert Millet, Stephen Robinson, Michael Ash, Blake Ostler, Daniel Peterson, etc., over apostles and prophets like Spencer Kimball, Dallin Oaks, Richard G. Scott, Boyd K. Packer, etc. Jackson might as well be talking about Sunstone, FAIR, FARMS, or the BYU religion department.

Disregarding truth to promote the interests of the church as evidence of apostasy

Mormon apostle James Talmage writes:

"Disregard for truth. As early as the fourth century, certain pernicious doctrines embodying a disregard for truth gained currency in the Church. Thus, it was taught "that it was an act of virtue to deceive and lie, when by that means the interests of the church might be promoted." Needless to say, sins other than those of falsehood and deceit were justified when committed in the supposed interests of church advancement, and crime was condoned under the specious excuse that the end justifies the means. Many of the fables and fictitious stories relating to the lives of Christ and the apostles, as also the spurious accounts of supernatural visitations and wonderful miracles, in which the literature of the early centuries abound, are traceable to this infamous doctrine that lies are acceptable unto God if perpetrated in a cause that man calls good." - The Great Apostasy, ch. 7

Other Quotes

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TOPICS: Apologetics; Ministry/Outreach; Other non-Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: apostasy; christian; cult; flds; lds; mormonism; nonchristian; principle; whackadoodle
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To: MeganC; Elsie; All
Comandment the First: Thou shalt have no other gods before me. And that was literally written by the Hand of God...no interpretation needed.

Well, unfortunately, I think what the slippery Mormon leaders elected to do was to take that as ("Well, we can at least have other gods after Him!")

81 posted on 10/09/2013 2:25:50 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

You know what I told you......
Are you a bandwidth hog?


82 posted on 10/09/2013 2:26:22 PM PDT by S.O.S121.500 (Case back hoe for sale or trade for diesel wood chipper....Enforce the Bill of Rights. It's the Law!)
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To: stonewall_jackson215

Yes, and their lds god have physical sex with Mary.
That their lds god was once a man who worked his way to godhood.


83 posted on 10/09/2013 2:34:38 PM PDT by svcw (Socialism is so great, that it will be forced on you.)
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To: laotzu

What Christian basing thread?
mormonsim is not Christianity, this is another mormonism exposing thread.


84 posted on 10/09/2013 2:36:48 PM PDT by svcw (Socialism is so great, that it will be forced on you.)
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To: donmeaker

cath·o·lic (kth-lk, kthlk)
adj.
1. Of broad or liberal scope; comprehensive: “The 100-odd pages of formulas and constants are surely the most catholic to be found” (Scientific American).
2. Including or concerning all humankind; universal: “what was of catholic rather than national interest” (J.A. Froude).
[Middle English catholik, universally accepted, from Old French catholique, from Latin catholicus, universal, from Greek katholikos, from katholou, in general : kat-, kata-, down, along, according to; see cata- + holou (from neuter genitive of holos, whole; see sol- in Indo-European roots).]

That is what Paul wrote about.

That is very nearly the opposite of what the Catholic Church is today.


85 posted on 10/09/2013 2:37:44 PM PDT by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar are soon to be relearned.)
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To: Elsie

In Utah, most women marry young.

Brigham Young.


86 posted on 10/09/2013 2:39:29 PM PDT by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar are soon to be relearned.)
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To: jodyel

oneness pentecostal, That I am not familiar with (unless there is also another name)

I would include those formally Christian churches that went the way of “name it and claim it”, or “all paths lead to God” (sure you know who they are)


87 posted on 10/09/2013 2:39:57 PM PDT by svcw (Socialism is so great, that it will be forced on you.)
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To: Elsie

Joseph Smith Jr. was shot to death by Hyrum, his brother.

It was an accident, in a moment of stress.


88 posted on 10/09/2013 2:41:39 PM PDT by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar are soon to be relearned.)
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To: Elsie

They are nice to visitors, at least the first few times.


89 posted on 10/09/2013 2:45:09 PM PDT by donmeaker (The lessons of Weimar are soon to be relearned.)
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To: stonewall_jackson215

What?
There is NO Salvation outside of Jesus Christ - period.


90 posted on 10/09/2013 2:46:24 PM PDT by svcw (Socialism is so great, that it will be forced on you.)
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To: Boogieman

Good point


91 posted on 10/09/2013 2:47:28 PM PDT by svcw (Socialism is so great, that it will be forced on you.)
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To: svcw

OK, I concede, Mormonism makes really good sci-fi, so long as you aren’t forced to wear the magic underwear and give up coffee (I need the caffeine sometimes just to operate!)


92 posted on 10/09/2013 2:48:18 PM PDT by Greetings_Puny_Humans (If anyone tells you it's a cookbook, don't believe them.)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans

True.
If you notice in the show everyone wears the same black short sleeved undergarment.
They also smoke, drink, take drugs and sleep around......because the “gods” did.


93 posted on 10/09/2013 2:58:14 PM PDT by svcw (Socialism is so great, that it will be forced on you.)
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To: donmeaker
My understanding is that the Roman Catholics hold that the Mormons are heretics.
This is a good website: http://comparing-views.com/index.html
94 posted on 10/09/2013 3:14:17 PM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: All

placemarker


95 posted on 10/09/2013 3:40:49 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (I grew up in America. I now live in the United States..)
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To: Elsie

“Don’t you be lustin’ after MY position!”

KNEW you’d notice that post!


96 posted on 10/09/2013 3:41:29 PM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (I grew up in America. I now live in the United States..)
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To: Colofornian

Gee, to be called an apostate by a group of people whom Protestant, Catholic and Orthodox Churches label a cult. Somehow it just does not bother me too much.


97 posted on 10/09/2013 3:43:03 PM PDT by Lady Heron
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To: Colofornian

Don’t claim to be protestant, mormon, catholic, or anything but born again and filled with the Spirit.

So not applicable to moi, but thanks anyway.


98 posted on 10/09/2013 3:43:39 PM PDT by jodyel
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To: Colofornian
Question now for you fellow Protestants who want to condemn the pre-Luther reformation years of the Catholic church to total apostasy: What part of "in the church"..."throughout all ages/generations"... & "for ever & ever/world without end" don't you understand?
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I'll answer that... "the Church" is not an organization it's a family..
Most all churches are synagogues.. with officials and titles..

The titles in "the Church" are father mother and child..
Most all churchs are CLUBS.... not a family..

A Body............................. not as in Club BUT as in family..
John 10 talks of coming OUT of the sheep pen...
Therefore out of the synagogue(club)..

99 posted on 10/09/2013 4:07:28 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Colofornian

Glad to see you’re keeping vigil on the false teachers. Where are all those Romney supporters from last year who accused you of so much horse manure?

I really wish we had a voluntary idealogical litmus matrix here on FR. We could have avoided so much idealogical manure on that last round if it were in place...

from my home page

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I would like to see a VOLUNTARY idealogy litmus matrix here on Free Republic, but when I proposed it to Jimrob, he called me a newbie.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2145065/posts?page=130#130
To: babygene I don’t think he’s all that interested.
To: MHGinTN It doesn’t matter what a FReeper thinks. It’s just a list that they tell us what they think. That way we can tell who we’re dealing with.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2145065/posts?page=130#130
To: Jim Robinson Hah hah, that’s great. I signed up 2 months after you and I’m a newbie. Back then no one even said, “Welcome to FR”. But yeah, I do think that there are tons of RINOs. To be more accurate, the term would be CINOs.
I’ve been pushing for an idealogical litmus matrix here on FR, not to get rid of RINOs but to expose them.
THE GOP DOESN’T WANT US- SO WHAT’S NEXT?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1965735/posts?page=762#762
***It simply takes too long. Look at this thread alone. I see evidence of RINOism in some of the FReepers on this thread. It takes 700 posts to drill down. We need the matrix posted and available so that we don’t have to drill down on every FReeping thread. They’re wasting our time. Deliberately.

Agreed to a large degree. Perhaps a way to rate members by other members???
762 posted on Thursday, February 07, 2008 8:43:23 PM by roamer_1
130 posted on Monday, December 08, 2008 2:39:20 PM by Kevmo (Palin/Hunter 2012)
49 posted on Monday, December 22, 2008 7:29:27 PM by Kevmo ( It’s all over for this Country as a Constitutional Republic. ~Leo Donofrio, 12/14/08)
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100 posted on 10/09/2013 4:59:12 PM PDT by Kevmo ("A person's a person, no matter how small" ~Horton Hears a Who)
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