Evolution vs. God: Shaking the foundations of Faith

Way of the Master ministries ^ | Oct 2, 2013 | Ray Comfort

[ex-snook]

Since TToE makes no such representation, it is on par with its fellow branches of science."

Science is therefor insufficient to explain the origin of matter.

[freedumb2003]

>>So you are claiming Lamarckianism is true?<<

I made no such statement nor can one be inferred from my post(s).

[Viennacon]

Ah, but it allows you to say “Well, we don’t know what the conditions on this alien planet would be. Perhaps they might make life more probable!”

There is another problem that presents itself however. Let’s say aliens did seed life on earth.
One of the problems evolution has encountered is with each successive discovery, it seems the first life has been pushed further back in time. That shortens the amount of time available for the variables to line up, decreasing the probability.
How many years would an alien species take to evolve to the level of space travel required to reach earth from the nearest possible system? Far longer than earths’ history for sure. So we’re pushing the time back further. And what if life on the alien planet was just as unlikely as here, and was in fact seeded by ANOTHER alien race? With each successive ‘seeding’ the probability would get closer and closer to bumping up against a period where no life could have existed in the universe, period.

[freedumb2003]

I see now this is in the Religion forum.

I shall now retire from the thread at least knowing I have informed lurkers many of us Conservatives do know and embrace science AND do not buy into invented false dichotomies of faith vs. science (there is no conflict).

Have a good day all.

[Viennacon]

I would fully agree with this statement. Since matter (as we known it) comes into being with the creation of the ‘natural world’, science cannot exceed its bounds to before that time. When the ‘natural world’ begins, science begins. When the ‘natural world’ ends, science ends.

[ransomnote]

bfl

[muir_redwoods]

Theory is the highest level of proof in science. Newton’s Laws of Motion were corrected by Einstein’s Theory of Relativity.

[Cvengr]

Darwin at 22 after leaving Christ’s College, Cambridge, and previously raised in a Unitarian environment, jumped upon the opportunity to join a an evangelical trip abroad on the converted brig ship, the Beagle, to return Christianized natives to Tierra Del Fuego circa 1832, personally financed by his father’s 400 pound annual allowance and labeled himself a self-financed gentleman’s companion to the 26 year old Captain.

The Christian communities at that time believed in the harmony of science and theology, but sought to explain Scripture based upon science, rather than science upon the Providence of God. Cambridge considered his findings more heretical than scientific a he definitely lacked the prior academic background to be considered a postgraduate student at the time. Many of his assertions for transmutation were within several years pointed out as improper identification of well known species and improper labeling, rather than ancient evolutionary evidence.

The consequence of begging the question, placing science before God, simply seeks to justify its premise by reasserting its premise, placing the Creation before the Creator.

[peeps36]

We have a Sunday morning TV show called Give Me An Answer. The pastor from a Connecticut church goes to different college campuses to debate with students about God and the Bible. The pastor knows his stuff and he can explain it in simple terms. He runs circles around the die hard atheists.

[attiladhun2]

So Lamarckianism is true? Mutations create new species? There are vestigial structures? There is junk DNA?What are you implying?

Scientists may have discovered the fakes, but there were many who regarded the fakes as genuine, even after the fakery was discovered. I used to have the same kind of awe for scientists you seem to have. However, the alar scare, the global cooling and then the global warming scares, the population-bomb scare, the running out of resources scare, hocky-stick graphs, and a number of other things have showed me that scientists are often wrong and very often defend their errors with vehemence.

[RedHeeler]

pfl

[ifinnegan]

Someone wrote a series of statements including:

“Lamarckianism has been shown to be false”

To which you responded:

“Every single statement is scientifically incorrect”

[Boogieman]

“If physics, geology, chemistry and astronomy are not compelled to answer the question of abiogenesis as a prerequisite, neither is TToE.”

Ok, sure. However, you do need to establish common descent as a prerequisite, which you cannot do.

[Boogieman]

“And there is no such thing as “Darwanism.””

Have you called up Stanford and informed them of this yet? They’re still listing it in their encyclopedia of philosophy as if it was an actual thing!

http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/darwinism/

[Boogieman]

God didn’t create any man as a leftist. He just gave us free will, and some of us chose to become douchebags.

[Tenacious 1]

Religious people who disrespect science are every bit as annoying as scientific people who disrespect faith.

There is something true in that, within reason. "Science says we are causing our planet to heat up."

[dfwgator]

If God specially created them then he is not good.

Well we all have our crosses to bear....Liberals are one of them.

[ilovesarah2012]

What troubles me is how scientists who balk at evolution are treated by their peers who espouse the evolutionary line. Reminds me of close-minded liberals.

[Wanderer99]

God didn’t create any man as a leftist. He just gave us free will, and some of us chose to become douchebags.

Nonsense. None of us could be as stupid as them. Not even if we tried our hardest. It's one thing to consciously choose evil out of rebellion against God. It's an entirely different thing to a mindless, soulless left-wing goon.

[Iscool]

Indeed, it takes a very blind leap of faith to hold to Darwinism.

For a scientist...For the average Joe, not so much...Actually you don't have to know anything about it other than it's the antithesis of Christianity...