Posted on 10/19/2013 9:21:37 AM PDT by piusv
http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/bishop-obeys-govt-order-to-remove-catholic-school-teaching-on-sinfulness-of
Who do you want to condemn it? When you say “The Church,” who or whom exactly do you mean? In his diocese, that bishop is supreme, an equal to all other bishops, with the Supreme Pontiff being the first among equals.
If you mean the people of his diocese, that is up to them. If you mean the universal Church, that is 1.2 billion people who would have to render an opinion.
In other words, you are creating a false choice.
Regarding the Pope’s statements, which you take out of context, his meaning was that both clergy and lay alike must teach not only the Gospel of words, but also the Gospel of action. We can’t just sit in the pews and nod “Amen” when we are told homosexual actions, abortion, divorce, and contraception are grave sins.
We need to preach the Gospel with our actions, through the corporal and spiritual works of mercy. We can’t look upon homosexuals, prostitutes, thieves, co-habitors, etc., saying “tsk, tsk,” and walk away.
We need to engage them, insure them of God’s love and mercy, and encourage them to seek it, through conversion.
Regarding the clergy, we need to pray for them, encourage them in their vocations, and counsel with patience. If you find they persistent, then write the Papal Nuncio, and the Pope himself. Look at what William Blatty did.
If you are really concerned, take the action noted above. Otherwise, quit grinding your ax.
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So in the Council documents (and sections of the Catechism based on Council documents) there was an opportunity to briefly allude to the things that are legitimately true in Islam, and what we have in common with them (left column), hoping it would be part of a larger evangelization strategy, as you can see in the immediately following sections of the Catechism:
| 844 In their religious behavior, however, men also display the limits and errors that disfigure the image of God in them. Very often, deceived by the Evil One, men have become vain in their reasonings, and have exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and served the creature rather than the Creator. Or else, living and dying in this world without God, they are exposed to ultimate despair. 845 To reunite all his children, scattered and led astray by sin, the Father willed to call the whole of humanity together into his Son's Church. The Church is the place where humanity must rediscover its unity and salvation.
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I think in retrospect we can doubt that that has turned out to be a good evangelization strategy; nevertheless, nothing said in the Council documents or in the Catechism was false.
Marred by mis-emphasis, no doubt. Scandalous to readers who don't have a clue or a context, we've seen that. But there's nothing false in it.
Don't get me started on Catholics and the bible.
Who was it that said: “The road to hell is paved with the skulls of Bishops”?
He missed a great opportunity to suffer for Christ.
I have no idea where your start button is. Don’t worry about me pushing it but you’re welcome to do whatever JR allows on his forum.
He suffeed, too: deposed, banished, exiled.
To say that Islam worships the same God as we do is false. The Church teaches that all public revelation ended with the Apostles. Therefore Mohammed’s revelation is 100% false because it came after Christ. Mohammed got a revelation, but it wasn’t from God.
No, you can’t say that when popes called Islam diabolical that they meant anything but that (unless Satan is sometimes right). They were not saying they were right on some things and not right on others. They were saying that the religion did not come from God...full stop.
And I still want to hear how the ecumenism taught in Vatican II suddenly makes it okay for Catholic popes (!) to participate in non-Catholic services when doing so was always condemned by the Catholic Church. Did that change to “sometimes” it’s okay too?
Vatican II teaches false ecumenism....heresy.
I don’t know, maybe the Pope who is above all(supreme) in the Church? Supremacy, not just primacy.
And this is the problem SpirituTuo. Regardless of those who wish to continue to say that I (and others) take Francis out of context, he does not speak out against these things. On the contrary, he is sending the message that we spend too much time on them, that we should be spending that time on youth unemployment and the lonely elderly. Why wouldn’t this bishop respond the way he did?
It honestly does appear that way, doesn’t it?
Even in private schools the influence of Bill Ayers and his fellow Marxists are seen. Remember! Nearly every teacher in this nation ( both private and government schools) was trained by godless Marxists in godless colleges and universities.
I pray that God will save our nation and Western Civilization in general. But...Why should He, given that Christians and conservatives willingly turn their children over to school indoctrinators ( oops! "teachers")?
I work in a public school and the indoctrination has become so obvious to me.
If the Koran says 2 + 2 = 4, it is true and it is not a product of a divine annunciation to Muhammad.
As for praying with non-Catholics, I do that every time I pray with my husband, and consider that to fail to do so would be a peril, if not to Faith, then certainly to Hope and Charity.
If my priest goes out with us and stands in front of a "women's" clinic and prays with one of our vigils against abortion, he is undoubtedly praying hand-in-hand and in concert with prolife Evangelicals and their ministers and pastors. Is he wrong?
Are they wrong?
I will tell you straight out that any friend of Jesus is a friend of mine.
Sure does. Early Christians died rather than offer a pinch of incense to the Emperor. Now it’s “Show me the money!”.
Does doing God’s will depend upon a government subsidy? If it does then perhaps it isn’t God’s will and should not be done.
Mortalium Animos, Pope Pius XI, 1928.
And yet we have popes taking part in the assemblies of non-Catholics under the guise of "ecumenism".
When has the Church given any credence to the Muslim Faith prior to Vatican II?
I think that's a question worth asking and I'm very interested in the possible answers because the question has been bothering me for some time.
Perhaps you will define the underlined term?
Replace the word "credence" with "legitimacy" for example. This bothers me a great deal because I can't reconcile the current position with the historical.
What is there about the First Amendment that the government is failing to understand?
And just where is the backbone in Catholicism?
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