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Falling on Deaf Ears?—Why So Many Churches Hear So Little of the Bible
AlbertMohler.com ^ | 10-14-13 | Albert Mohler

Posted on 10/21/2013 7:46:32 PM PDT by ReformationFan

“It is well and good for the preacher to base his sermon on the Bible, but he better get to something relevant pretty quickly, or we start mentally to check out.” That stunningly clear sentence reflects one of the most amazing, tragic, and lamentable characteristics of contemporary Christianity: an impatience with the Word of God.

The sentence above comes from Mark Galli, senior managing editor of Christianity Today in an essay entitled, “Yawning at the Word.” In just a few hundred words, he captures the tragedy of a church increasingly impatient with and resistant to the reading and preaching of the Bible. We may wince when we read him relate his recent experiences, but we also recognize the ring of truth. Galli was told to cut down on the biblical references in his sermon. “You’ll lose people,” the staff member warned. In a Bible study session on creation, the teacher was requested to come back the next Sunday prepared to take questions at the expense of reading the relevant scriptural texts on the doctrine. Cutting down on the number of Bible verses “would save time and, it was strongly implied, would better hold people’s interest.” As Galli reflected, “Anyone who’s been in the preaching and teaching business knows these are not isolated examples but represent the larger reality.”

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Good words from Dr. Mohler. Ignorance of the Bible is a major reason our nation and world is in so much of a mess.
1 posted on 10/21/2013 7:46:32 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: ReformationFan

My people are destroyed for a lack of knowledge? Something like that...


2 posted on 10/21/2013 7:50:08 PM PDT by AD from SpringBay (http://jonah2eight.blogspot.com/)
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To: ReformationFan

Bump for later


3 posted on 10/21/2013 7:59:07 PM PDT by RightField (one of the obstreperous citizens insisting on incorrect thinking - C. Krauthamer)
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To: ReformationFan
As a Catholic, I highly recommend Jeff Cavin's "Great Adventure Bible Study" materials.

And lest anyone want to make this into a denominational war, these materials were made possible because Jeff Cavins came from a Protestant minister background, with its emphasis on complete Bible study, before he converted (? back ?) over to Catholicism.

That "Bible study discipline for the pewsitter" culture that the Protestants kept alive is much appreciated, and its reintroduction into Catholicism is helping many members learn and solidify our faith.

4 posted on 10/21/2013 8:02:40 PM PDT by Yossarian
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To: ReformationFan

All true, and the abandonment of old hymns in most congregations has ruined the atmosphere of spirituality. The American people are impatient with God but patients with their secular powers.


5 posted on 10/21/2013 8:28:05 PM PDT by Theodore R. (The grand pooh-bahs have spoken: "It's Jebbie's turn!" to LOSE!)
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To: ReformationFan

I had the opportunity to travel with an associate pastor to a hear him preach a message at a church in a neighboring town. He is a great expositor of the Word and taught aspiring young preachers at a local Bible college.

On the way back home he asked me “Did you notice anything wrong with that church?”

My mind flashed back through the service and I remembered that their pastor was very nice, the people were nice, the church facilities and grounds were nicely maintained, the choir and singing was nice, etc..

I replied, “No, what was wrong?”

He said “No-one had their Bible with them.”

Then I remembered seeing “nice” hymnals in the nice pews, but not even a Bible there in the pews, or anyone carrying a Bible.

I’ll never forget that.


6 posted on 10/21/2013 8:28:20 PM PDT by haffast (Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.)
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To: haffast

Indeed. Stories like that make me think of this country gospel song by Kitty Wells-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KpaV50HEgzM


7 posted on 10/21/2013 8:34:21 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: haffast

My Bible is on my iPhone.

But you’re free to judge and condemn if you’d like, since I don’t carry a leather-bound book with me when I go to church ...


8 posted on 10/21/2013 8:35:12 PM PDT by Theo (May Christ be exalted above all.)
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To: haffast

Hmm - I keep a good Bible on my iPhone, and is a service really the best time to do Bible reading? I know that I need to do my reading in a quiet, disciplined fashion....


9 posted on 10/21/2013 8:37:09 PM PDT by Yossarian
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To: ReformationFan

FWIW, I used to be a staunch 9-Marks adherent, including emphasis on expositional preaching. Until I remembered that Jesus was not an expositional preacher. He was a thematic preacher.


10 posted on 10/21/2013 8:38:20 PM PDT by Theo (May Christ be exalted above all.)
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To: Theo

A few people having Bibles on mobile devices, corresponding with typical social distribution of e-book readers, is one thing.

A church completely devoid of paper Bibles is still indicative of a major problem.


11 posted on 10/21/2013 8:39:21 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: ReformationFan

Sensitive context aside, here’s a response to that I wrote:


The source article laments those who grow impatient with a half dozen verses. There is, of course, a problem with churches which barely have references to Scripture at all in favor of “relevance”. We should, of course, read the Word in depth and breadth, focusing on the content therein rather than upon ourselves.

Addressing this in no way should lead to _ignoring_ the needs of the people, relentlessly hammering away at verses in minute detail without helping listeners grow into the material from where they are and without removing stumbling blocks that hinder them. Christ’s ministry time and again focused on the debilitating needs of individuals, resolving those problems by application of the Word and using that resolution as an opportunity to teach it. When children clamored to see Christ and the disciples resisted, He insisted on allowing them to come; surely He taught them, and did so on their intellectual level and with examples relevant to them, however simplistic.

Yes, we have the model of presenting the Word to the people at rapt attention, given at length and explained as needed. Yes, the people stood at attention - and we may safely presume the presenters did not go on at indefinite length, testing the strength and will of the people until just a few hardened minds & bodies were left standing. And yes, the Word was presented - as a manageable totality in the context of limited human existence, not spending years on a small portion thereof.

Of course the people must hear the word - all of it, at their level. The source article criticizes those who refuse to hear more than a minuscule fraction of Scripture, preferring to hear about their own concerns. The other extreme is no better, presenting such that most cannot comprehend more than a minuscule fraction, and ignoring their very real concerns. When the people come to hear the Word, meet them where they are in mind and body - else they are unable to receive it.


12 posted on 10/21/2013 8:43:16 PM PDT by ctdonath2 (Making good people helpless doesn't make bad people harmless.)
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To: ReformationFan

Netzarim.

Educated, and can read! Hated as well, very sad! So much for tolerance.

therefinersfire.org/mj.htm


13 posted on 10/21/2013 8:44:49 PM PDT by foundedonpurpose
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To: Theodore R.

Very true on both counts.


14 posted on 10/21/2013 8:46:03 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: ReformationFan
It is possible to go to far in the other direction as well. I have sat though sermons which were scripture chases with one verse after another coming at you then only lightly touching on what we were suppose to learn before racing on to the next.

Have your scripture and then preach it.

The Word is for instruction. Some of us are kind of slow. You will have to bear with us while we try to understand. And how can we understand if no one will guide us?

15 posted on 10/21/2013 8:51:36 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Proud Infidel, Gun Nut, Religious Fanatic and Freedom Fiend)
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To: ReformationFan

I’m an Orthodox Christian. Many Protestants think that there is little or no Biblical preaching in the Orthodox Church.

That is not true. We have reading of the Epistle and the Gospel, and Biblical preaching every single Sunday and Feast Day. (I’m a lay Reader, so I am blessed to do some of that Epistle reading).

And we have truly powerful Sacraments, too!!!!


16 posted on 10/21/2013 8:57:01 PM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: ReformationFan
“It is well and good for the preacher to base his sermon on the Bible, but he better get to something relevant pretty quickly, or we start mentally to check out.” That stunningly clear sentence reflects one of the most amazing, tragic, and lamentable characteristics of contemporary Christianity: an impatience with the Word of God.

An impatience with the Word of God? Or a lack of the flow of Grace because of what Bible versus are being selected and for what reasons?

IF, when Jesus said in Matthew 22:35-40 and Mark 12:28-34, "Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind", and "Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself" are the commandments upon which "hang the whole of the Law," He actually MEANT it,
AND
When Jesus said in John 13:34-35, "A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another," He actually meant THAT too,
THEN,
Perhaps, just perhaps, He was teaching us HOW to teach - not just what to teach.

In fact, maybe He was also giving a Special Dispensation, so that His power would flow maximally through the teachings IF they were taught in this manner.

In which case, the darkness of this age would not be able to prevail over His teachings, and people would not get bored hearing them, and would not get angry hearing them, and would not turn away from Him, and turn, instead, towards Islam and progressive communism and late-term abortion and drugs and self-hatred.

For as Jesus also said in Matthew 11:28-30, “Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”

Which means if people were sharing Jesus' teachings in the proper way, with "gentleness and a humble heart," that "easy yoke," that "rest," is what those hearing those teachings would experience. Instead however, people arrogantly teach damnation, against Jesus' instructions, and drive people away - and straight into the hells that have plagued the world to this day.

17 posted on 10/21/2013 8:58:08 PM PDT by Talisker (One who commands, must obey.)
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To: ReformationFan

“Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ.”
~~St. Jerome


18 posted on 10/21/2013 8:58:09 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Theo
My Bible is on my iPhone.

But you’re free to judge and condemn if you’d like, since I don’t carry a leather-bound book with me when I go to church ...

Psalm 119:11 -New International Version (NIV) 11 I have hidden your word in my heart that I might not sin against you.

That must have been it then. They all had the Word hidden in their heart. Thank goodness it's on your Iphone.

19 posted on 10/21/2013 8:58:11 PM PDT by haffast (Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.)
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To: ReformationFan

Cracks me up when folks contend Catholic’s unfamiliarity with the Bible.

Each Mass has a reading from the Old Testament, one from the New, and a Gospel.

Citing chapter and verse is a parlor game, having little to do with the knowledge of the Bible.


20 posted on 10/21/2013 8:58:38 PM PDT by G Larry (Let his days be few; and let another take his office. Psalms 109:8)
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To: Theodore R.

Amen. Talk about overkill. Attract new members with a rock concert while abandoning the people who are there now by eliminating the old hymns! I said it was a mistake 10 years ago and I stand by that comment today.

We go to a Bible church (that we love), but it is all I can do to make it through the music.


21 posted on 10/21/2013 8:59:08 PM PDT by my small voice (A biased media and an uneducated populace is the biggest threat to our nation.)
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22 posted on 10/21/2013 9:00:17 PM PDT by narses (... unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.)
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To: Yossarian
Hmm - I keep a good Bible on my iPhone, and is a service really the best time to do Bible reading? I know that I need to do my reading in a quiet, disciplined fashion....

A quiet time of Bible study is good to be able to hear over our own voice to hear the Holy Spirit teach us.

Acts 17:11 - New International Version (NIV)

11 Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.

23 posted on 10/21/2013 9:06:26 PM PDT by haffast (Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.)
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To: ReformationFan

Good song. Thanks.

(Kinda sad, yet glad, the Gaither era/generations had a revival, and now may be passing on into Glory.)


24 posted on 10/21/2013 9:12:20 PM PDT by haffast (Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.)
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To: ReformationFan

Any church that reads and teaches only out of the King James Version, I can understand the problem.

I grew up with the New American Standard Bible and even that now is starting to sound archaic in places.

Some of the newer versions are easier to hear and relate to but may not always be the most precise translation.

Yet, deep down, it is the human heart that has the problem. Those that are hungry for God’s Word will take the time to study it and understand it. Those that don’t will find any excuse not to.

The Holy Spirit will provide the wisdom and understanding if you take the time to read with an open and sincere heart.

Timothy says it best in “2 Timothy 3”:

1 But realize this that in the last days difficult times will come.

2 For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy,

3 unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good,

4 treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God,

5 holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these.

I emphasize verse five. They will *claim* they know God but they will deny God’s infinite power. That, to me, represents quite a few churches that have decided to compromise with God’s clear commands in order to satisfy their lusts or because they, in their blindness, believe they know better than God does when it comes to some topics.

Jesus will tell them “I do not know you.”


25 posted on 10/21/2013 9:15:53 PM PDT by OrangeHoof (Howdy to all you government agents spying on me.)
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To: Theo

“...including emphasis on expositional preaching.”

I’ve come to the conclusion that most expositional preaching is nothing more than an excuse for some people to interject their own agendas into the text (prosperity preachers are notorious for this.)

I’ve had enough of junk theology preached from the pulpit.


26 posted on 10/21/2013 9:29:15 PM PDT by Stingray (Stand for the truth or you'll fall for anything.)
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To: ReformationFan

“Don’t use too much scripture, you’ll loose people”.

The making of LIC (Low Information Christians)


27 posted on 10/21/2013 9:35:20 PM PDT by TMA62 (Al Sharpton - The North Korea of race relations)
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To: Talisker
Which means if people were sharing Jesus' teachings in the proper way, with "gentleness and a humble heart," that "easy yoke," that "rest," is what those hearing those teachings would experience. Instead however, people arrogantly teach damnation, against Jesus' instructions, and drive people away - and straight into the hells that have plagued the world to this day.

And yet some of the greatest, Holy-Spirit driven Revivals were started by men who dared preached about Heaven AND Hell and our just deserts if we did not Repent and Believe the Gospel.

Men like Jonathan Edwards, George Whitefield, John and Charles Wesley and many of those that followed in their foot steps.

They did not tailor their message so as to not offend, but spoke the truth plainly and convincingly, and as a result, God the Holy Spirit blessed their efforts with hundreds of thousands, if not millions of born-again converts to Christianity, not just those who had "Accepted" Jesus, but those who had truly repented and received the Spirit of the Love of God in their hearts crying "Abba Father"....
28 posted on 10/21/2013 9:44:57 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: OrangeHoof
Any church that reads and teaches only out of the King James Version, I can understand the problem.

And yet millions through multiple centuries have found God, have repented and believed and received the Holy Spirit using just that version.

Could the problem not be the version of the bible used, but the watered-down, ineffective, non-offending sermons preached from it?
29 posted on 10/21/2013 9:46:46 PM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: All

What could be more relevant than the Bible?

I think churches are making a mistake by trying to attract seekers by trying to make church too fun and entertaining. When I was housesitting in Seattle I went to a Presbyterian Church I hadn’t been to in 2 or 3 years and was disappointed in how watered-down things had gotten.

When I moved to Everett I sampled 4 churches before settling on one. There are literally dozens of churches in downtown Everett if you count storefront churches. Now I will be frank and hope I don’t hurt any feelings. At the Baptist church the people were very nice but the sermon too long and they sang that awful new music ad nauseum. Hardly anybody, even the preacher, was dressed up. The Episcopal church seemed to be a lot of ceremony, props and costumes and not too much substance. She preached about the Prodigal son, which was OK.
Judging by the bulletin, they are heavily into environmental causes. The Presbyterian church on Wall and Rockefeller is very historic( as is practically everything in downtown Everett) has a good organ and serves the best food. At least they sang old hymns. But I didn’t like how they managed volunteers at the rummage sale. The Presbyterian church on Hoyt, where I now go, is part of Presbyterian Church in America and fairly old school. Yesterday the pastor preached from a book of one of the well-known Old Testament prophets, the Sunday before it was an obscure prophet I’d never heard if(I confess I haven’t read the whole Bible.) I think he hits the right note between verbatim scripture and the rest of the sermon. His sermons are not too long. And we do sing old hymns. Yesterday was the first time I heard him mention a hot social issue(gay marriage) in so many words. So I don’t expect them to be hanging rainbow banners up as so many of the churches in Seattle have. Sunday before there were pro-life flyers in the bulletin, though they weren’t mentioned in the sermon.


30 posted on 10/21/2013 10:06:30 PM PDT by crazycatlady
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To: G Larry; Salvation
Cracks me up when folks contend Catholic’s unfamiliarity with the Bible...Each Mass has a reading from the Old Testament, one from the New, and a Gospel...Citing chapter and verse is a parlor game, having little to do with the knowledge of the Bible.
Yes! It's true. Catholics are fed Holy Scripture [along with the Body of Christ] on Sundays, and daily too! The homily then reflects the readings. Here is a photograph of our Weekday Missal, well worn, which is the condition of many a missal one will see at daily Mass. This is Volume 1; Volume 2 (which we are currently using) is out in the car, which we will be perusing in a few hours. :)

And to be reminded (of the readings) throughout the day, I go to Salvation's "daily" threads of Catholic Readings that she provides, along with a plethora of other Good information -- (here is yesterday's; today's will be shortly forthcoming): http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/3081884/posts

Thank you, Salvation, for all that you do!
31 posted on 10/22/2013 1:39:39 AM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: mlizzy; Salvation

Correction: the link given above is to TODAY’s readings. Salvation is on top of things!! :)


32 posted on 10/22/2013 1:45:02 AM PDT by mlizzy (If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic adoration, abortion would be ended. --Mother Teresa)
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To: Honorary Serb

Do not forget also that the beautiful icons also do the job of preaching the scriptures of God as well.


33 posted on 10/22/2013 3:46:05 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: TMA62

They forget the famous saying from St. Jerome, “ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ”.


34 posted on 10/22/2013 3:47:55 AM PDT by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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To: Biggirl

Indeed they do!!!!

And so do the Orthodox Sacraments, every one of which is mentioned in the Scriptures (unless the Scriptures are misinterpreted and/or mistranslated).


35 posted on 10/22/2013 5:42:35 AM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: ReformationFan

501C3 ties a good preacher’s hands. And all churches want it to stretch their donation $$.

The truth does not matter to these false preachers, it is outside the limit of the Bible.


36 posted on 10/22/2013 5:59:02 AM PDT by GailA (THOSE WHO DON'T KEEP PROMISES TO THE MILITARY, WON'T KEEP THEM TO U!)
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To: ReformationFan

For all:

Get in the habit of asking people one of two questions when you go to church:

1) What did you hear in the sermon?

2) What did you read in your Bible this past week?

This will tell you a lot about your church. But, be prepared to answer that question too.


37 posted on 10/22/2013 6:07:36 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple
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To: Theo

But you’re free to judge and condemn if you’d like, since I don’t carry a leather-bound book with me when I go to church ...


Why is an observation so IMMEDIATELY thought of as judgment and condemnation? (rather than a learning and correction opportunity) The world has been VERY EFFECTIVE in it’s JUDGE NOT message, hasn’t it?


38 posted on 10/22/2013 6:14:16 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple
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To: my small voice

Amen. Talk about overkill. Attract new members with a rock concert while abandoning the people who are there now by eliminating the old hymns! I said it was a mistake 10 years ago and I stand by that comment today.


Right now I am in a cocoon, working my way out as to the purpose of the church. Like most problems, it is several things coming together for the “perfect storm” It is not just the music, but that is a part of it.

Our retired preacher vested every church in town and I asked him what he observed. He keyed in on two things. Passive/active involvement of the congregation and music. In essence the mechanics.

“Some churches have responsive reading and a lot congregation involvement, others just listen, we do a good job of balancing. Some churches have modern music, others old. We have a good mix of both in our church so we are doing pretty good.”

I am still thinking this through......................


39 posted on 10/22/2013 6:30:18 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple
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To: SoConPubbie
And yet millions through multiple centuries have found God, have repented and believed and received the Holy Spirit using just that version.

True but expecting the modern churchgoer to wade through thiseth and thoueth and all sorts of archaic words is an impediment to understanding God's truths. It's like expecting today's people to understand Beowolf.

Languages change and words change their meaning. As long as the translations from the original Greek and Hebrew are steadfast, using the words and idioms of the 21st century can only enhance understanding, not impede it.

The KJV was a remarkable work in its time but so was the Model T.

40 posted on 10/22/2013 6:36:52 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (Howdy to all you government agents spying on me.)
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To: Theodore R.
You're being unfair.

Middle aged former hippies, who couldn't carry a tune in a milk pail, standing in front of the congregation banging on tambourines and trying to sing something to the tune of Kumbaya are the key to restoring spirituality in our churches.

41 posted on 10/22/2013 6:50:57 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: PeterPrinciple

My own test is to listen to the presentation and ask who is the main focus of their service.

If it is the Jehovah God of the Bible and His Son, Jesus Christ, they are probably on the right track.

If it is on anything else, it’s not the right place for me. I’ve been to mainstream churches where the focus is squarely on men, not God. Their solutions are of this world.

It is good that churches come together and attempt to solve the needs of this world but they will go astray if they are not focused on teaching and studying God’s word and our relationship with God first and foremost. He is able to meet my needs and He is able to be sufficient in what I lack if I continue to focus on Him and relate with Him.

I was reminded this Sunday that almost all the Ivy League universities began as Christian institutions and they’ve all pretty much shoved God out the door today, producing mostly god-hating liberals who believe first and foremost in socialism and collectivism. They may be great colleges of learning but they have lost their way in terms of their original intent. Likewise, too, our country is headed the same direction.


42 posted on 10/22/2013 6:52:04 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (Howdy to all you government agents spying on me.)
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To: OrangeHoof
Languages change and words change their meaning. As long as the translations from the original Greek and Hebrew are steadfast, using the words and idioms of the 21st century can only enhance understanding, not impede it.

The KJV was a remarkable work in its time but so was the Model T.


Changing the version of the Bible is not going to change the results, until the Preachers preaching the message find out what it means to be saved from their sins.

Until they can preach a message of Repentance and Faith that leads the sinner to a salvation experience whereby God himself forgives the sinner of his/her sins AND CHANGES their heart, or gives them deliverance from their sins, nothing is going to changes.

The So-called Christianity of today has walked away from an experiential relationship with Christ whereby "His Spirit witnesses with our spirit that we are the children of God" (Romans chapter 8 I think vs. 18), to one where you can simply accept Jesus and keep on sinning, because don't you know, there is no real victory on earth over our sin (Sarcasm intended).

I've heard many a preacher preach a sermon about Romans Chapter 7 being where Christians have to live and they completely ignore Romans Chapter 8 where Paul states "Now There is no Condemnation to those that are in Christ Jesus".

Our preachers don't even know what it means to be saved from their sins, how can they lead?

We've got much bigger problems then just the version of the bible being used.
43 posted on 10/22/2013 7:18:26 AM PDT by SoConPubbie (Mitt and Obama: They're the same poison, just a different potency)
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To: OrangeHoof

MANY newer versions omit words, rearrange words that completely change what the scripture is. KJV was the Bible extant for centuries prior to new versions cropping up this century.

Look in newer versions for Acts 8:37 and ponder the differences/omissions.


44 posted on 10/22/2013 7:31:05 AM PDT by RoadGumby (This is not where I belong, Take this world and give me Jesus.)
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To: SoConPubbie
We've got much bigger problems then just the version of the bible being used.

No disagreement there. Ultimately, it is leading to repentance, forgiveness and trusting in Christ that matters more than what translation is preached.

45 posted on 10/22/2013 7:59:44 AM PDT by OrangeHoof (Howdy to all you government agents spying on me.)
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To: PeterPrinciple

I’d kill for “a good mix of both”.

Satan has done an effective job of distracting all with the economy and material goods so that the Church of Acts is very tough to attain in most eyes. After all the singing....everyone goes home and snaps back into the ho hum.......


46 posted on 10/22/2013 8:10:46 AM PDT by my small voice (A biased media and an uneducated populace is the biggest threat to our nation.)
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To: ReformationFan

Many just want a social occasion, not a service.


47 posted on 10/22/2013 8:17:28 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: PeterPrinciple; haffast

The pastor in the comment #6 isn’t merely “observing.” He’s condemning. And I reject that casual condemnation.

The pastor asked, “Did you notice anything wrong with that church?”

The man replied, “No, what was wrong?”

The pastor stated, “No-one had their Bible with them.”

The pastor passed judgment on the church based on the observation that there were no physical paper-and-ink Bibles in the back of the pews or the hands of the congregants. My point was that fewer and fewer people use printed Bibles; many more are using their iPhones and iPads and Kindles and Nooks and Androids and so on.

Let’s be a bit slower to condemn others. Let’s be a bit slower to condemn an entire church based on a 2-hour cursory observation, that may be misinformed.


48 posted on 10/22/2013 9:49:55 AM PDT by Theo (May Christ be exalted above all.)
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To: RoadGumby

I’ve recently learned that the KJV was written in response to the publication of the Geneva Bible. It’s really got a fascinating history. Click to http://genevabible.com/ and scroll to the bottom for background on the Bible that the Pilgrims/Puritans read, that was brought over on the Mayflower.


49 posted on 10/22/2013 9:53:13 AM PDT by Theo (May Christ be exalted above all.)
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To: ReformationFan

2 Tim 4:3


50 posted on 10/22/2013 2:53:57 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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