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Do Mormons Believe in Ghosts? [The OTHER World Series: 'spirits...not far from us']
Suite101.com ^ | Jan. 4, 2011 | Jenny Evans

Posted on 10/24/2013 9:46:20 AM PDT by Colofornian

Jenny Evans

Jenny Evans is a freelance writer and editor specializing in parenting and the family. She is also the Mormonism Topic Editor for Suite101.

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Does the afterlife theology of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS or Mormon) leave any room for a Mormon belief in ghosts?

Mormonism and Spirits

The LDS church believes that everyone has a spirit (sometimes called a "soul" in other theologies,) which is believed to continue living independently of the body after its death.

Since a ghost is defined as "a disembodied soul" (Merriam-Webster's Dictionary,) Mormons technically do believe in ghosts. That is, they believe that everyone has a spirit that continues living even without a physical living body.

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Though it is not doctrinal, non-canonical sources suggest that the spirit world is on this earth but not visible to human eyes most of the time. Early Mormon leaders Joseph Smith and Brigham Young said that the spirits of the righteous departed "are not far from us,"...

Sources:

Brigham Young and Joseph Smith quoted by Dale C. Mouritsen in “The Spirit World, Our Next Home,” Tambuli, December 1977.

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Obviously although this author on the one hand concedes the consistent Mormon leader teaching that "disembodied souls"..."are not far from us"
...she attempts to provide distance from such teachings by claiming they are "not doctrinal, non-canonical..."

Yet the very "Source" she uses at the end of the article is an "OFFICIAL" Lds.org article!

Sorry...but Lds "prophets" and "apostles" speaking as such on the Lds church published dime is official:

For this Lds church article, see: The Spirit World, Our Next Home
[For previous FR discussions on this article, see: The Spirit World, Our Next Home and The Spirit World, Our Next Home(The OTHER World Series: Mormon beliefs beyond this world)]

Similar thread in The OTHER World Series posted today:
Interesting Similarities between Mormonism and Spirit Release Therapy [The OTHER World Series...]

1 posted on 10/24/2013 9:46:20 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To show Evans -- and Mormon grassroots generally -- how common this teaching is among Lds "prophets" and "apostles" -- just note these citations:

From the blog thread cited in other FR thread today [see:Interesting Similarities between Mormonism and Spirit Release Therapy [The OTHER World Series...]]
-- citing 2nd Lds "prophet" Brigham Young
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“Where is the spirit world? It is right here. Do the good and evil spirits go together? Yes they do…. Do they go beyond the boundaries of the organized earth? No, they do not…. Can you see it with your natural eyes? No. Can you see spirits in this room? No. Suppose the Lord should touch your eyes that you might see, could you then see the spirits? Yes, as plainly as you now see bodies.”

* 4th "prophet" of the Mormon church, Wilford Woodruff: “If the veil could be taken from our eyes and we could see into the spirit world, we would see that Joseph Smith, Brigham Young and John Taylor had gathered together every spirit that every [sic] dwelt in the flesh in this Church since its organization . . . The eyes of the dead are upon us."

* Woodruff again: "The dead will be after you, they will seek after you as they have after us in St. George [temple]. They called upon us, knowing that we held the keys and power to redeem them. I will here say before closing, that two weeks before I left St. George, the spirits of the dead gathered around me, wanting to know why we did not redeem them." (Journal of Discourses, vol. 19, p. 229).

* 13th "prophet" of the Mormon church: "Visitors, seen and unseen, from the world beyond, are often close to us." (Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, p.35)

From Lds.org [official Mormon church Website, citing 2nd "prophet" Brigham Young and Benson and then Parley P. Pratt, Lds "apostle"]:
"President Young confirmed that the spirit world 'Is on this earth.' (Discourses of Brigham Young, p. 376.) In a recent general conference, President Ezra Taft Benson declared that 'the spirit world is not far away. Sometimes the veil between this life and the life beyond becomes very thin. Our loved ones who have passed on are not far from us.' (Ensign, June 1971, p. 33.) Apparently the spirit world is incorporated with the physical world. The earth has a spirit in it just as our physical bodies have spirits in them. Elder Parley P. Pratt wrote that the spirit world 'is here on the very planet where we were born; or in other words, the earth and other planets of like sphere, have their inward or spiritual spheres, as well as their outward, or temporal. The one is peopled by temporal tabernacles, and the other by spirits. A barrier is placed between the one sphere and the other, whereby all the objects in the spiritual sphere are rendered invisible to those in the temporal,'” (Key to Theology, 9th ed., Deseret Book, 1965, pp. 126–27.)
Source: The Spirit World, Our Next Home
[For previous FR discussions on this article, see: The Spirit World, Our Next Home and The Spirit World, Our Next Home(The OTHER World Series: Mormon beliefs beyond this world)]

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Now...what's a proper pro-Christian...in Christ critique of these Mormon occultic worldviews???

…the Mormon church erects a false division between ‘godly’ and ‘satanic’ spirit contact. They allege that all Mormon contact with the dead is ‘godly’ practice. But biblically, there is no such division, nor can Mormonism justify one. There is no biblically endorsed practice involving “godly” contact with the dead, “godly” mediumism, “godly” channeling, or “godly” spiritism – it is all classified as an abomination to God (Deuteronomy 18:9-13)…Nevertheless, there are a number of books by Mormons that recount temple manifestations of dead family members as truly “faith-promoting” experiences. Joseph Heinerman’s books, Spirit World Manifestations, Eternal Testimonies, and Temple Manifestations details scores of stories of dead family members and other spirits instructing Mormon leaders, missionaries, and laymen…In fact, these and other books reveal that for many Mormons, “true” religion involves not only ministering to the spirits of the dead by proxy baptism, but also receiving guidance and instruction from spirits of the dead for spiritual growth. Heinerman explains, The inhabitants of the spirit world have received special permission to visit their mortal descendants and assist them and impress upon their minds…
* See: The Facts on the Mormon Church By John Ankerberg, John Weldon, Dillon Burroughs, page 194, Harvest House, 1991

For a previous thread discussion on this, see: The Facts on the Mormon Church (The OTHER World Series - Macabre Manifestations)

2 posted on 10/24/2013 9:47:22 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

I believe in spooks.

The spooks at the NSA are doubtless recording this right now...


3 posted on 10/24/2013 9:49:02 AM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: Colofornian
Spoiler Alert!!: Religion-bashing thread
4 posted on 10/24/2013 9:50:07 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: Colofornian

What a stupid post. Nobody gives a crap about Mormon ghosts.


5 posted on 10/24/2013 9:56:37 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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Nobody gives a crap about Mormon ghosts.

You say that now, but when they come around on Halloween wearing magical ghosty-pants you'll sing a different tune.

6 posted on 10/24/2013 10:01:55 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner

You say that now, but when they come around on Halloween wearing magical ghosty-pants you’ll sing a different tune.


Your stupid reply proves my point.


7 posted on 10/24/2013 10:07:57 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: Colofornian

What does this constant picking on the Mormons accomplish?

If you want to pick on a completely dorky religion followed only by low IQ types try Scientology.

If you want to pick on a completely warlike religion followed only by tribalists with no morals, try Islam.

If you want to pick on a completely worthless religion with virtually no good attributes at all, try progressivism.


8 posted on 10/24/2013 10:12:57 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: laotzu

Spoiler Alert! Basher of false isms’ critics post!


9 posted on 10/24/2013 10:13:08 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Spoiler Alert! Basher of false isms’ critics post!


Spoiler Alert! Stupid post, period.


10 posted on 10/24/2013 10:15:26 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: Da Coyote
Scientologists & Muslims tend not to roam FR; Mormons do.

What does focusing on Mormonism here do?

Well, thus far three Mormons have left the Mormon church and have come into Christian churches (that we know about).

I'm sure others have taken steps toward that as well...perhaps active Lds becoming Jack Mormons, etc.

11 posted on 10/24/2013 10:15:36 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: null and void
I believe in spooks. The spooks at the NSA are doubtless recording this right now...

(They certainly are shadowy entities)

12 posted on 10/24/2013 10:17:02 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: laplata

[Thanks for bumping the thread]


13 posted on 10/24/2013 10:18:12 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: laotzu

When did we have our last Mormon suicide bomber? Remind me.


14 posted on 10/24/2013 10:19:05 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Colofornian

No problem.


15 posted on 10/24/2013 10:28:14 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: Olog-hai; laotzu; All
1. The first Sept. 11 domestic terror mass murder in this country was due to Mormons massacreing 120 innocent children & their parents (9/11/1857)

2. Hundreds of thousands of Mormons are third/4th generation Mormons whose grandparents & great-grandparents uttered the following oath in the Mormon temple thru circa 1926/27:

LAW OF VENGEANCE: "You and each of you do solemnly promise and vow that you will pray, and never cease to pray, and never cease to importune high heaven to avenge the blood of the prophets on this nation, and that you will teach this to your children and your children's children unto the third and fourth generation." "All bow your heads and say yes."

This oath was sworn by Mormons during the Mormon Temple Endowment...The above reconstruction of the endowment, drawn upon various accounts of the ceremony, was published in 1931. The text appears to describe the pre-1927 endowment and thus was already outdated by the time it was published. The temple referred to in this text is the Salt Lake Temple.

Source: LDS Endowment: 1931 Account

16 posted on 10/24/2013 10:32:24 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Haters gona’ hate. What the heck did a Mormon do to you to hate them so much?
There is so much more wrong in this world than worrying about people in white shirts and ties riding bicycles.


17 posted on 10/24/2013 10:34:33 AM PDT by baddog 219
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To: laplata

Don’t get your magical panties in a bunch about it.


18 posted on 10/24/2013 10:40:30 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner

Yours got all wadded up, not mine.


19 posted on 10/24/2013 10:41:58 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: Colofornian

Thanks for pimping.


20 posted on 10/24/2013 10:43:18 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: laplata

Your are magically un-bunchable, huh?


21 posted on 10/24/2013 10:43:47 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: null and void
The spooks at the NSA are doubtless recording this right now....

Read Harry Turtledove's book THE CASE OF THE TOXIC SPELL DUMP. In it, CIA agents really are spooks, and demonstrations are conducted by demons. I enjoyed it.

22 posted on 10/24/2013 10:45:53 AM PDT by JoeFromSidney ( book, RESISTANCE TO TYRANNY, available from Amazon.)
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To: JoeFromSidney

Thanks! I will look that one up!


23 posted on 10/24/2013 10:48:52 AM PDT by null and void (I'm betting on an Obama Trifecta: A Nobel Peace Prize, an Impeachment, AND a War Crimes Trial...)
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To: baddog 219
Learn to multi-task.

The "silent generation" fought multiple wars on multiple fronts.

24 posted on 10/24/2013 10:49:20 AM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Da Coyote; laotzu; Colofornian

Why does pointing out the aforementioned problems, contradictions, doctrine, teachings, etc. of mormonism bother you guys so much? I don’t see anyone claiming that the average, run of the mill mormon is anything but a nice person...yet, some here appear to have reading comprehension problems, big ones.

Afterall, it’s not like they (mormons) claim that Christianity is an abomination or that the Christian preachers and pastors serve lucifer or anything? Or do they? Why yes they do. So the posting of their teachings and doctrine for scrutiny is called for.

In addition, to the above, it’s apparent that attempts to deflect the discussion abound by directing the attacks to the poster of the thread, no rebuttal of the information is forthcoming, typical Alinsky (progressive scum) tactic.

Btw, not that it probably matters to folks who insist on attacking the messenger, but the message(s) posted by Colofornian and likeminded Christians here on FR have been received by folks, whether it’s liked or not.


25 posted on 10/24/2013 11:00:42 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: Olog-hai
When did we have our last Mormon suicide bomber?

Never.

26 posted on 10/24/2013 11:22:35 AM PDT by laotzu
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To: Colofornian; laotzu; laplata; Da Coyote; Olog-hai; baddog 219
It isn't rocket science but if you don't want to discuss Mormon doctrine and practices, go to another thread. It is in the Religion Forum for a reason. There are several Freepers who enjoy discussing theology, including Mormonism. If you think that there are better topics to discuss, then go to a more meaningful thread.

For those of you who have suggestions about better topics for threads - GO START ONE - no one is stopping you (unlike what you're trying to do to Colofornian).

27 posted on 10/24/2013 12:58:36 PM PDT by CommerceComet (Enough with politicians, this conservative is only voting for someone with courage and conviction.)
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To: CommerceComet

What’s the reason?

I do believe in the principles of Amendment 1, for the record.


28 posted on 10/24/2013 1:01:42 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Olog-hai
What’s the reason? I do believe in the principles of Amendment 1, for the record.

I'm not sure that I understand your question. Let me take a stab at a couple of different ideas. The thread is in the Religion Forum because it deals with a religion topic. The reason for the topic is that it is a discussion of Mormon doctrine and practice which is common fare in religious discussions. If you're not interested in talking about the topic, you're free to go somewhere else and let those who are interested, talk about it.

To what part of the 1st Amendment are you referring? Why is it pertinent? You aren't setting its parts in opposition, are you? Claiming to protect "free exercise of religion" by impinging on others "freedom of speech" would be doing exactly that. Once again, I'm not quite sure what you mean by this statement.

29 posted on 10/24/2013 1:49:29 PM PDT by CommerceComet (Enough with politicians, this conservative is only voting for someone with courage and conviction.)
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To: Colofornian
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30 posted on 10/24/2013 2:46:41 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: humblegunner; laplata

“Nobody gives a crap about Mormon ghosts.

You say that now, but when they come around on Halloween wearing magical ghosty-pants you’ll sing a different tune.”

Humblegunner, I crash every costume party come Halloween, have done so for 25 years now. I have had countless trick or treat-ers come to the door. I have seen every costume you can think of and then some. I HAVE NEVER seen an adult or kid dressed in Mormon underwear on Halloween. Madonna underwear yes, but not/never Mormon!!!!


31 posted on 10/24/2013 2:54:44 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Morgana

:)


32 posted on 10/24/2013 2:59:55 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: Morgana
I HAVE NEVER seen an adult or kid dressed in Mormon underwear on Halloween. Madonna underwear yes, but not/never Mormon!!!!

But it would be a good costume, yes?

33 posted on 10/24/2013 3:06:21 PM PDT by humblegunner
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Humblegunner, I crash every costume party come Halloween, have done so for 25 years now. I have had countless trick or treat-ers come to the door. I have seen every costume you can think of and then some. I HAVE NEVER seen an adult or kid dressed in Mormon underwear on Halloween. Madonna underwear yes, but not/never Mormon!!!!

In most climates it's cold Oct. 31...coats cover that underwear -- not to mention other wardrobe wear.

34 posted on 10/24/2013 4:09:56 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Morgana
I crash every costume party come Halloween, have done so for 25 years now. I have had countless trick or treat-ers come to the door.

If you're out crashing parties, how are you answering your door?

35 posted on 10/24/2013 4:17:56 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Colofornian

In most climates it’s cold Oct. 31...coats cover that underwear — not to mention other wardrobe wear.

It appears the weather has hijacked the Mormon spirit world thread.


36 posted on 10/24/2013 4:39:28 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: laplata
It appears the weather has hijacked the Mormon spirit world thread.

It's all integrated...per the Mormon worldview, that is...you see, if you've actually paid attention to any of their leaders' quotes early in this thread...you'd see that they conclude that the "spirit world" is actually on this earth...

(I guess that'd make such spirits experiencing the same climatic details we go thru)

37 posted on 10/24/2013 4:55:21 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

I’m leaving cookies and milk out for the Mormon ghosts.


38 posted on 10/24/2013 4:59:49 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: humblegunner

Parties right up to halloween. At churches and other groups.


39 posted on 10/24/2013 5:11:33 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: laplata

Dude it’s Halloween, you are suppose to leave Jack ‘lanterns for Mormons Ghosts. Cookies and milk is for Santa Claus!


40 posted on 10/24/2013 5:13:35 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: laplata; All
May I suggest you pass on the milk & cookies should one of them disguises himself as an "angel" & presents another gospel...
...& tells you to diss 100% of the existing churches...
...& start a new religion...
...by putting an emblem of him atop your new temples...
...btw, just so we can keep the same "weather" theme you point out...but still keep it pertinent to this post...these emblems atop the religion-in-question are gold-gilded fiberglass weathervanes once made out of copper, brass & aluminum...in case anybody wanted to know what these icons that substitute for the cross consist of...[see Looking Up to Moroni

laplata, just leave a note for your Mormon ghosts with this reminder:
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. 9 As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. (Galatians 1)

And laplata, since I'm sure you don't like Christian apostles who go 'round "cursing" counterfeit angels proclaiming counterfeit "gospels," why don't start bashing the apostle Paul, too...

(If only the apostle Paul had learned to be a bit more tolerant...like you & a few other FReepers 'round here!!)

41 posted on 10/24/2013 5:17:02 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: Morgana

I stand corrected. The Mormon ghosts and I thank you!

I’m going to inspect those Mormon ghosts underwear and make sure it’s up to Mormon standards. If not, they will need to Trick or Treat like the little kids.

And if any Mormon ghosts bring more than three wives, they will be called selfish for hogging all the goodies.


42 posted on 10/24/2013 5:20:24 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: humblegunner
"But it would be a good costume, yes?" scared cat photo:  zergling-cat.gif
43 posted on 10/24/2013 5:27:09 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: laplata

“And if any Mormon ghosts bring more than three wives, they will be called selfish for hogging all the goodies.”

Oh come on..one treat for the Mormon ghost and one for each wife. One treat per trick or treat-er. That’s my rule.


44 posted on 10/24/2013 5:30:52 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Morgana

That’s a good rule to follow. Those Mormon ghosts are a tricky bunch.....especially in cold weather when they bundle up and hide their magic underwear.; then they’re downright unrecognizable as Mormon ghosts.


45 posted on 10/24/2013 5:48:08 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: laplata; All
Hey, if anybody IS searching for a Halloween costume...get one of those Moroni gold-gilded fiberglass weathervanes and wear that on their cap...

This anti-cross is a "good fit" for a dark night like Halloween...

46 posted on 10/24/2013 5:51:32 PM PDT by Colofornian
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To: laplata
I just had a thought. Who are the Mormon Ghost-busters? ghostbusters photo: ghostbusters ghostbusters.gif
47 posted on 10/24/2013 6:05:47 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Colofornian

Moroni gold what?


48 posted on 10/24/2013 6:07:07 PM PDT by Morgana (Always a bit of truth in dark humor.)
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To: Colofornian

Hey, if anybody IS searching for a Halloween costume...get one of those Moroni gold-gilded fiberglass weathervanes and wear that on their cap...
This anti-cross is a “good fit” for a dark night like Halloween...


You must be under the misguided impression that Mormons are a great threat. You are on some kind of kooky Crusade.

I’m Catholic and have no fear of anything Mormon.

If they are a threat to you, you have some serious issues.


49 posted on 10/24/2013 6:15:44 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: Morgana

I just had a thought. Who are the Mormon Ghost-busters?


Casper and his buddies.


50 posted on 10/24/2013 6:16:35 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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