Posted on 10/30/2013 3:08:23 PM PDT by NYer
Those of you familiar with the ever-foul-mouthed Gavin McInnes, the co-founder of Vice magazine (so bad I won’t link to it) and founder of Street Carnage (another sleazy website I can’t link to), might be shocked by his declaration this week that he considers himself a God-fearing pro-life Catholic.
McInnes’ remarks follow a dust-up with feminists during an appearance on a HuffPo panel, during which he dared to suggest that feminism has made women “miserable” by “trivializing motherhood” and forcing women to “pretend to be men.”
In a follow-up interview with The Daily Caller today (WARNING: they didn’t bleep out his foul language) McInnes let go this bombshell about his reaction to having had three children.
“It made me religious. I was an atheist most of my life and now I am a God-fearing Catholic, because of the miracle of life. And I’m pro-life,” he said, noting that he used to be pro-choice and became pro-life with the birth of his first child.
“Amongst my peers abortion is cool,” he continued. ”It’s like, empowering, and they make jokes about it. Some of my best friends go, ‘I accept that it’s murder and I am pro-choice.’ That’s the world I live in.”
No less stunning (and refreshing) were McInnes remarks (minus the expletives) about feminism during the Huffington Post panel that sparked the backlash that led to the interview with The Daily Caller.
“We’ve trivialized childbirth and being domestic so much that women are forced to pretend to be men,” McInnes said. “They’re feigning this toughness. They’re miserable. Study after study has shown that feminism has made women less happy. They’re not happy in the workplace for the most part.”
As you can imagine, he was pounced on by the Huff Post host, and the other guests.
In his follow-up interview with The Caller, McInnes was able to expand his argument, noting: “I see the housewife as a far superior vocation to mine, and to most.” He added: “I’m sick of women who haven’t experienced [child birth] trivializing it.”
McInnes said that the only reason people reacted so strongly was because they know what he said is true.
“I think a lot of women smash through the ‘glass ceiling’ and get to where [men] are and they go, ‘wait a minute, I thought you guys had brandy and went to strip clubs, you’re going over expense reports?’ And they see their friends from their small town with 3 kids going to soccer practice and they think, ‘That looks kind of cool, actually.’
“I see a lot of women without kids, in their 40s, who are miserable and I see a lot of women after they have children saying, ‘what the f**k was I doing? Why was I doing fashion PR? I was doing seating plans for a fashion show telling what people sit in what chair. Now I’m shaping human life,” he said.
“And that is another thing maybe I didn’t get across, I see the housewife as a far superior vocation to mine, and to most,” McInnes added. “I mean I make commercials, and funny videos, and T.V. shows or whatever, film projects that people will watch for ten minutes and go ‘heh’ and get on with their day. I essentially… make comic books. You flip through it and you’re done. My wife creates life from her vagina and then — that’s just the beginning — then she shapes this human life.”
“Who is changing the world more?” he asked.
It seems that McInnes is at least on the road from atheism to a fully lived-out Christianity. Being public about being a ‘God-fearing Catholic’ and pro-life in an atmosphere such as his is courageous to say the least. Let’s hope and pray he sees the light and removes himself from the ‘vice’ he promotes with visuals and language, just as he left Vice Magazine in 2008.
Christ fulfilled through the new covenant, not protested.
And Don, do you want to go to the Church Fathers?
Let’s go straight to scripture and John 6. There’s no way around Christ stating several times eat my flesh and drink my blood and many left... He didn’t say you missed my point, I was kidding or I meant the word (which would have been the OT, since nothing had been written or requested to be written, except through John). He asked the disciples if they wanted to leave too. He wasn’t playing, he was for real. This was no allegory, parable, etc..
Of course you know Paul spoke on being guilty of the body and blood of the Lord re: receiving unworthily.
It could be spun anyway you want, translation error (but where did you get the word); The Catholics put that in and that’s a prohibition of Revelation re: adding, removing (I know you don’t want to go there with the reformers). Remember, 10 years after Luther they were having huge problem between themselves. At the Marburg Colloquy Luther went off regarding the Eucharist because he felt they went too far, only for the Zwingli crew to get concession from Calvin (who was right of Bullinger), at the Tigurinus consensus (Calvinists couldn’t understand why he pushed for it, especially with Bucer’s doings in the background).
I’m sure we agree that Luther thought he knew better, he wasn’t the first, will not be the last. But also, all the reformers, if they came back today to view their congregations, would be in shock and not recognize them.
Even Melanchthon wrote his mother that the Protestant religion is the best to live by, but the Catholic the best to die in.
I grew up in the South as a Baptist (down the line, at least four days a week in church for bible study and meetings with the grandparents, visiting the sick and shut in, still do, Sunday school, later teaching, dinner after service, the whole nine); But I was blessed with a pastor, sinner though he was, he was a man, who never dissed other faiths protestant or otherwise, loved Mary and not just on Christmas and really struggled re: Lord’s Supper because he knew there was more, but couldn’t lose his church, or take the embarrassment of moving the church back to it’s roots or teaching more about the fathers.
He thought about his teachers at seminary, his fellow pastors, the family... he would be ostracized. He confided that when many came to him re: marriage, divorce, dying spouse, or even a fellow pastor on his preaching on a certain portion of scripture with a different take... where do you go? Who do you ask? You dig in the scripture and pray/fast and trust you get a word from the Lord or a confirmation through others or a situation.
But we had people some would call blue bloods on the other side of town, till this day I don’t know which denomination folks outside always ranted about, I knew it wasn’t Catholics. Maybe Pres, Methodists, etc..
But we were more worried of being called out from the pulpit, as my pastor did with vigor, on being seen at the juke joint with a woman not your wife or gambling or spotted kissing a boy with your skirt rolled up higher than you left home with (down South, the grapevine was lethal and you may get whipped or admonished 6 times before you made it home).
Wouldn’t trade it for anything. The preaching, hymns, bible drills, etc.. laid a foundation towards the truth. It’s sad many kids today will never have that foundation, much less build upon it and live it.
The typology from scripture itself...
Moses and the chair (we see what Korah, a Levite, with Dathan and Abiram tried to do re: Hey, we’re all holy, who do you think you are to lord it over us? We know better. Cut to hole in the ground, see ya). See, first they went the we’re concerned about you Moses, we can help out; We don’t think God meant for only you to judge from the chair re; disputes, handing down the word, rules. Mind you, God had already given them roles of service, it wasn’t good enough. They had to lead and thought they knew better than God where they were to serve. So obviously, since they called Moses and Aaron out in public, with 250 leaders and representatives of the congregation (so they had to be right you know), they were meeting behind the scenes and plotting ahead of this. It always turns ugly and the truth comes out. So Moses give them what they wanted, told them to fill the censers and incense (priest duties), and let the Lord choose. As I said earlier, it didn’t go well. After picking through the charred bodies of the 250 for the censers, because they were holy, they hammered them into plates on the altar to remind the congregation. God chose Moses, he didn’t choose himself.
The next day, people had the nerve to run their mouths, accusing Moses and Aaron of killing them (I would have been dug in deep, somewhere). Pure blindness and obstinacy. Like I said, nothing new. Again, God said get away from them... Knowing what might come next, Moses asks Aaron to burn incense in a censer to intercede for them, make atonement... Plague. Aaron stands between the dead and the living and God stops it.
To go further, the tribes rods were brought to the holy place and Aaron’s blossomed and grew ripe almonds, hence the priesthood, shut up the congregation, done.
Then we have Balaam wanting to do his own thing after God told him no the first time. Hey, the second offering of bling from the king was too much to resist. Yeah, he didn’t curse Israel and couldn’t if he tried... but he told them how to infiltrate and cause God’s people to sin... therefore invoking the wrath of God upon them (their inside secrets and their past soft spots re; seduce them with the foreign women, then on to Baal or other foreign worship, etc.). Even the ass knew that wasn’t going to work out.
So protest and revolt is nothing new. It started in the garden, because Eve knew better... and her hubby, who was to watch over her and the garden, shirked his duty and went along. Just like the 250 upstanding elders in the congregation re: Korah, Dathan and Abiram; Just like Balaam, who knew better and those throughout history that knew and know better.
We pray the Lord will lead us to all truth.
Christ was born in a world that had existing religions. He taught people who had a base of knowledge derived from those existing religions. Where he differed from what came before, he had to explain himself, just as Wycliff, Luthor, Hus and Calvin had to explain themselves.
Jesus was murdered by those threatened by his teaching as were Jan Hus and Ulrich Zwingli. Wycliff has an empty tomb, as does Jesus Christ. Jesus pointed out the corruption in Jewish temple practices, as did Zwingli. Christ’s teachings live on, as do those of Luther, Zwingly, Calvin and Wycliff. Calvin, like Jesus, has multiple sects who claim adherence to his ideas.
Jesus is not the only one who died due to the sins of Christians, or due to the sins of established religion.
My limited understanding is that Jesus spoke in parables. Certainly he was familiar with the concept of “metaphor”. I think it a form of insanity to accept biblical metaphors in one situation, but not in another.
“Drink my blood” is quite simply a metaphor. Deal with it.
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