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19th century occultic Mormon phenomena: Paranormal intermingling, demonic possession [Vanity]
Colofornian | Oct. 31, 2013 | Colofornian

Posted on 10/31/2013 9:56:18 AM PDT by Colofornian

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To: StormPrepper; BlueDragon; colorcountry; All
Your statement is offensive and wrong.

SP, ALL: StormPrepper seems to be trying to kill two-birds-with-one-theme on his posts in this particular thread.

What do I mean?

His focus seems to seek accomplishment of two things:
(a) By attempting to make this thread about my choice of words, he seeks to reduce the thread focus to me alone...a tactic used commonly by a Mormon apologist wannabe, a Mr. G. West on his site.

For example, West -- who went south from his baptist roots long ago -- will comment upon a thread I post, then quote the thread article itself as if I wrote the article or came up with that very slant as introduced by either a blogger, a journalist, a Mormon leader, or whoever wrote that particular thread! In this way, the Mormon apologist doesn't have to face the very content of the argument itself. They get to simply focus on me! So, ALL, when you see this tactic being exercised, note that the very content of the thread itself is an "expose'" that Mormon apologists just don't want to touch!
And then (b) -- the second "bird": By placing the alleged "offense" upon me for using a word that means "dead," he seeks to actually reverse the offense itself?

What do I mean? Well, this became quite plain when I noticed this comment by poster "Flat Lander" published in a Mormonism Recovery Board Feb. 22, 2012:

Some think these baptisms make no difference since they have no power, but I think that they are as offensive as prayers said by Westboro Baptist protestors at funerals for fallen soldiers."


Source: Necro Baptism is as Offensive as the Westboro Baptist folks

You see...

THE REAL OFFENSE HERE IS MORMONS BAPTIZING HOLOCAUST VICTIMS, JEWS, CATHOLICS, PROTESTANTS, THE ORTHODOX, ETC. -- SAYING THAT THEY ARE REALLY 'MORMONS' ONCE THE LDS MISSIONARIES ARRIVE TO THEIR 'LOCATION' IN THE ALLEGED 'SPIRIT WORLD' -- AND -- ONCE THEY'VE BEEN DEAD-DUNKED BY PROXY

When we see headlines like the above truly offensive ones, anything that a Mormon apologist can do to turn the "offense" away from the offensive practice itself -- in this case -- Necro-baptism by proxy...could wind up a minor digital victory:
* Anne Frank has been posthumously baptized (Mormon) [thread posted by ColorCountry]
* Anne Frank, a Mormon?
* Mormons apologize for posthumous baptism of parents of Jewish rights advocate Wiesenthal
* Mormons' macabre Jewish baptisms won't benefit Mitt

[Note: StormPrepper -- to be consistent -- be sure you write an e-mail of objection to the South Florida Sun-Sentinel to alleged "guilt by association" headline linking "macabre" Mormons baptizing the Jewish dead!]

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A little over three weeks ago, I mentioned the following parallel situation on an FR thread...it fits StormPrepper's responses, as well:
Blacks Ridiculed again by the Mormon Church.

I can recall when people have intentionally shown pictures of aborted babies to high schoolers & junior highers adjacent to campuses in states where those student-teens can get an abortion minus parental consent or even parental knowledge.

Now, you would think people who haven't seen pictures of aborted babies would get riled & upset & provoked by the very people who dismembered these precious babies in said pix. You know.
Planned Parenthood.
The abortion industry.
The insurance company who pays for some of these abortions.
ObamaCare that wants to expand such payments.
The boyfriend, partner, incest perp, teacher, or parent who drove the mom to the abortuary.
The black-robed rogues who legalized abortion-on-demand.
Etc.

But, no. These citizens, some parents of these kids, get riled & upset & provoked at the people who show the pictures! Forget about the murderers & those who engaged in accessory-before-the-fact; just go after those who refuse to censor the truth! Those bold enough to unveil the "behind-the-scene" realities!

Some of these citizens simply prefer to EITHER be in denial; or to continue their enabling of the abortion culture.

So, do we have parallels to this on some FR threads? Do we see at times some non-Mormons & Mormons alike reacting in similar ways to aborted-babies' pix as they are confronted with the realities of Mormonism?

Yup. Hence, they go after the "picture" bearer; they assume the accusatory route & make the thread about the poster...

[End of Oct. 10, 2013 FR post]

In this same way, baptizing the dead -- and involving teens in the process -- claiming that Holocaust victims, etc. have become Mormons...is offensive. Hence, what we see StormPrepper attempting to do is re-route the offense of the practice itself! Instead, just shoot the messenger!

[Of course, next he might object to use of the phrase "shoot the messenger" as advocating violence and making Mormons "guilty by association" with 'shooters'"! This is becoming more hilarious by the post!]

41 posted on 11/03/2013 5:21:57 PM PST by Colofornian
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To: StormPrepper; MHGinTN

The poster evidently wrongfully believes you are a retread of DelphiUser.


42 posted on 11/03/2013 8:00:59 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: Religion Moderator

Yep ... not the first time I’ll be wrong and not the last, either.


43 posted on 11/03/2013 9:46:40 PM PST by MHGinTN (Being deceived can be cured.)
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To: BlueDragon
Things are pretty grim when even the mummies cackle at ya'.

Indeed.

And, no, I have not looked at explanations for Smith's translation of the Egyptian scroll though I am fairly certain he would not have made the translation he did were he aware of what would be happening in the future, i.e. the Rosetta Stone.

Also, I suspect the belief system survives despite such things mostly because the beliefs are widely integrated with a culture. Rejecting the beliefs might also require rejecting the culture.

It would be like having to give up being a Texan in order to walk away from Koresh's Branch Davidians. But Koresh's beliefs were not integrated into a culture beyond his own compound in Waco. Praise God!

Thank you so much for sharing your insights, dear BlueDragon!

44 posted on 11/04/2013 8:17:52 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Colofornian
Indeed, what I gather from the etymology of the word "necro" is that its usage as a prefix entails death or corpse.
45 posted on 11/04/2013 8:20:53 AM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Alamo-Girl; BlueDragon; StormPrepper; All
Indeed, what I gather from the etymology of the word "necro" is that its usage as a prefix entails death or corpse.

Exactly.

Official Lds.org Web site: Gospel Principles: The Postmortal Spirit World: Definition of 'Spirit Body' per official Mormon teaching:
What Are Spirits Like?

Spirit beings have the SAME BODILY FORM AS MORTALS EXCEPT THAT THE SPIRIT BODY IS IN PERFECT FORM (see Ether 3:16).

Now why is this quote relevant to our discussion?

Because StormPrepper, the Mormon, is attempting to make a big deal about attempted LDS interactions with dead bodies...

Whereas most people tend to think of a "spirit body" as distinct from a "physical flesh-and-bones body", the Mormon church itself is unique in that Joseph Smith taught that the "spirit body" is the SAME PHYSICAL bodily form as "mortals."

Hence, these dead people, per Mormonism, already have PHYSICAL bodily forms...only these corpses have been perfected.

Christianity holds to an eventual similar teaching -- but futurizes perfected physical bodies until the final resurrection.

"Necro" simply both historically -- and currently -- has ONLY had two meanings: "Dead" and "corpse"...and, given that "corpse" comes from its root "corpus" (which just means "body")...
...and the Mormon church teaches that dead spirits have such corpuses (physical bodies)...
...this shows exactly how spurious this Mormon apologist wannabe argues.

46 posted on 11/04/2013 9:06:54 AM PST by Colofornian
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To: Colofornian

Thank you for sharing those insights, dear Colofornian!


47 posted on 11/04/2013 7:56:47 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: WilliamRobert

You showed up in this thread; shouted something; and then disappeared.

Are you OK?


48 posted on 11/16/2013 3:11:06 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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