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Conservative U.S. Catholics Feel Left Out of the Pope’s Embrace [Catholic/Orthodox/SV Cauci]
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/10/us/conservative-us-catholics-feel-left-out-of-the-popes-embrace.html?pagewanted=1&_r=0&hp ^

Posted on 11/10/2013 6:55:07 PM PST by ronnietherocket3

“It seems he’s focusing on bringing back the left that’s fallen away, but what about the conservatives?” said Ms. Kurt, a hospice community educator. “Even when it was discouraging working in pro-life, you always felt like Mother Teresa was on your side and the popes were encouraging you. Now I feel kind of thrown under the bus.”

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TOPICS: Catholic; Ecumenism; Ministry/Outreach; Orthodox Christian
KEYWORDS: abortion; crybabies; deathpanels; liberalliars; obamacare; pope; popefrancis; romancatholicism; zerocare
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I am still confused as to what Pope Francis has done to drive people away from the Church. As far as I can tell, he is the only world leader people talk about who has not lied or murdered. It appears that he is bringing people back to the Church.
1 posted on 11/10/2013 6:55:07 PM PST by ronnietherocket3
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To: ronnietherocket3

Although Jesus did associate with sinners, eating at their houses and so forth, He did so expecting them to change, not that their sins could just go ignored. The Catholic church should take the position that if you’re going to remain pro-abortion, then join another church, not this one.


5 posted on 11/10/2013 7:08:00 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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Undecided as to what I think about the new pope, but it’s worth clicking through to the article to see the very nice pictures of some of the pro-life women and their efforts and some of the moms being helped by them. I’m astonished.

I would have bet my bottom dollar that the Times would NEVER show pro-lifers actually helping women and children, but they do.

I had to leave a comment and thank them.

So thanks for posting this piece.


7 posted on 11/10/2013 7:41:29 PM PST by jocon307
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For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire workers for his vineyard. 2 He agreed to pay them a denarius for the day and sent them into his vineyard.

3 “About nine in the morning he went out and saw others standing in the marketplace doing nothing. 4 He told them, ‘You also go and work in my vineyard, and I will pay you whatever is right.’ 5 So they went.

“He went out again about noon and about three in the afternoon and did the same thing. 6 About five in the afternoon he went out and found still others standing around. He asked them, ‘Why have you been standing here all day long doing nothing?’

7 “‘Because no one has hired us,’ they answered.

“He said to them, ‘You also go and work in my vineyard.’

8 “When evening came, the owner of the vineyard said to his foreman, ‘Call the workers and pay them their wages, beginning with the last ones hired and going on to the first.’

9 “The workers who were hired about five in the afternoon came and each received a denarius. 10 So when those came who were hired first, they expected to receive more. But each one of them also received a denarius. 11 When they received it, they began to grumble against the landowner. 12 ‘These who were hired last worked only one hour,’ they said, ‘and you have made them equal to us who have borne the burden of the work and the heat of the day.’

13 “But he answered one of them, ‘I am not being unfair to you, friend.Didn’t you agree to work for a denarius? 14 Take your pay and go. I want to give the one who was hired last the same as I gave you.15 Don’t I have the right to do what I want with my own money? Or are you envious because I am generous?’

16 “So the last will be first, and the first will be last.”

8 posted on 11/10/2013 7:42:02 PM PST by Oratam
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To: Telepathic Intruder

It all sounds rather like the prodigal son story. But you can’t preach to the people if they are not in the pews.


9 posted on 11/10/2013 7:42:14 PM PST by ALPAPilot
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but it’s worth clicking through to the article to see the very nice pictures of some of the pro-life women and their efforts and some of the moms being helped by them.

Thanks for pointing that out.
10 posted on 11/10/2013 7:49:25 PM PST by ronnietherocket3 (Mary is understood by the heart, not study of scripture.)
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You are welcome, I was truly amazed by it.


11 posted on 11/10/2013 8:25:40 PM PST by jocon307
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“He said he had come to suspect that Francis is a “self-styled revolutionary” who wants to change the church fundamentally.”

Where have I heard that before?


12 posted on 11/10/2013 8:43:02 PM PST by aquila48
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To: ronnietherocket3
From a recent Gospel -- I think last week sometime.

Luke, chapter 15

 

 

10 In just the same way, I tell you, there will be rejoicing among the angels of God over one sinner who repents.”


13 posted on 11/10/2013 8:49:17 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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I see your point. Yes, let them sit in the pews, but also don’t fail to remind them of the error of their ways. I’m guessing they’ll either change them or soon leave on their own.


14 posted on 11/10/2013 9:01:35 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: ronnietherocket3

He has endorsed a number of social justice positions, I give him the benefit of the doubt but I think he is being unduly influenced by the left.

I still find it very suspicious that the last Pope resigned, the church is a very traditional institution.


15 posted on 11/10/2013 9:42:42 PM PST by dila813
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To: Telepathic Intruder

The Church is for the healthy and the sick. This woman is complaining that he’s not stroking the healthy, like the Prodigal Son’s other brother.

Francis wants us to fill the churches so they can develop a relationship with Christ. They wont come if you tell them what they are doing is bad (they already know, mostly), but rather if you tell them Jesus loves them and about His mercy...and bring them to the church and let God do the rest.

Hey brother (sister in this case), shut up and welcome your once lost brother home! (And of course, keep doing the great work you’ve been doing, does that REALLY need mentioning, REALLY?)


16 posted on 11/10/2013 10:20:27 PM PST by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
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They wont come if you tell them what they are doing is bad

Well in my opinion, there's no point in them coming then. In order to be saved, you must repent. In order to repent, you must know that you have sinned. You'd be showing them a false God if you portrayed Him as unmindful of sin.
17 posted on 11/10/2013 10:31:49 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: If You Want It Fixed - Fix It

By the way, I think you’re missing the point of the Prodigal Son. It’s a parable, an analogy. What it represents is someone who falls into sin and becomes lost to God. But at some point he sees the error of his ways and asks God for mercy. Instead of being rejected by God as is his due, however, God welcomes him back with open arms. This is only possible through repentance and acceptance of Christ.


18 posted on 11/10/2013 10:51:23 PM PST by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: ronnietherocket3

Why should conservative Catholics feel left out?

God has called Pope Francis to be Pope because he is calling Catholics who have fallen away to come back to full faith observance.

Also it would not surprise me if more non-Catholics will look at coming into the Church via RCIA because of the witness to Christ and the Gospel by Pope Francis.

Conservative Catholics should rejoice instead. God Bless Pope Francis.


19 posted on 11/11/2013 3:42:37 AM PST by Biggirl (“Go, do not be afraid, and serve”-Pope Francis)
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“But you can’t preach to the people if they are not in the pews.”

How often did Jesus preach to those in pews? We need more preaching in the streets, on television, on radio, online, etc.


20 posted on 11/11/2013 5:03:09 AM PST by vladimir998
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