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SSPX disrupts interfaith service at Buenos Aires cathedral
The Deacon's Bench ^ | November 13, 2013 | Deacon Greg Kandra

Posted on 11/13/2013 3:34:41 PM PST by NYer

From the AP:

Ultra-traditionalist Catholics have openly challenged Pope Francis by disrupting one of his favorite events, a ceremony that he and Jewish leaders led in the Metropolitan Cathedral each year to promote religious harmony on the anniversary of the beginning of the Holocaust.

The annual ceremony brings together Catholics, Jews and Protestants to mark Kristallnacht, the Nazi-led mob violence in 1938 when about 1,000 Jewish synagogues were burned and thousands of Jews were forced into concentration camps, launching the genocide that killed 6 million Jews.

A small group disrupted Tuesday night’s ceremony by shouting the rosary and the “Our Father” prayer, and spreading pamphlets saying “followers of false gods must be kept out of the sacred temple.”

Buenos Aires Archbishop Mario Poli, named by Francis to replace him as Argentina’s top church official, appealed for calm as others in the audience rose up to repudiate them, and the protesters were soon escorted out by police.

“Let there be peace. Shalom,” Poli then said, urging everyone to take their seats for a ceremony that was also led by Rabbi Abraham Skorka, a close friend of the pope who co-wrote a book of dialogue seeking common ground between Judaism and Catholicism.

“Dear Jewish brothers, please feel at home, because that’s the way Christians want it, despite these signs of intolerance,” Poli said. “Your presence here doesn’t desecrate a temple of God. We will continue in peace this encounter that Pope Francis always promoted, valued and appreciated so much.”

The Rev. Christian Bouchacourt, the South America leader of the Society of Saint Pius X, said Wednesday that the protesters belong to his organization and that they have a right to feel outraged when rabbis preside over a ceremony in a cathedral. “I recognize the authority of the pope, but he is not infallible and in this case, does things we cannot accept,” Bouchacourt said in an interview with Radio La Red.

“This wasn’t a desire to make a rebellion, but to show our love to the Catholic Church, which was made for the Catholic faith,” Bouchacourt added. “A Mass isn’t celebrated in a synagogue, nor in a mosque. The Muslims don’t accept it. In the same way, we who are Catholics cannot accept the presence of another faith in our church.”

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The Buenos Aires Herald has this account:

“A group of them attempted to spill their poison on the victims of the Holocaust,” said DAIA Jewish community group head Julio Schlosser, who was present at the meeting. “It’s very dangerous if we do not all publicly condemn acts like these, everyone, Jews, Catholics and Muslims.”

As the incident developed and the Lefebvrists, mainly youths, were insulted for their actions, Father Fernando Giannetti requested they leave in the name of Buenos Aires Archbishop Mario Poli, calling for those in attendance not to submit to “an act of provocation.”

After some minutes of tension, police officials arrived at the Cathedral, although they did not intervene, while Giannetti prayed Saint Francis of Assisi’s Prayer for Peace.



TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Ecumenism; Judaism
KEYWORDS: argentina; brokencaucus; catholic; holocaust; sspx
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1 posted on 11/13/2013 3:34:41 PM PST by NYer
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To: Tax-chick; GregB; Berlin_Freeper; SumProVita; narses; bboop; SevenofNine; Ronaldus Magnus; tiki; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 11/13/2013 3:34:59 PM PST by NYer ("The wise man is the one who can save his soul. - St. Nimatullah Al-Hardini)
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To: NYer

Sounds pretty nasty and stupid to me.

This is not a Mass. It’s a ceremony of religious understanding between Catholics, Protestants, and Jews, who differ on some points but who have a great deal in common and all of whom can gain by working together.

There is nothing wrong with meeting occasionally in a Cathedral with people of other faiths. There is no pretense that this is a Mass or a replacement for the Mass.


3 posted on 11/13/2013 3:43:13 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: NYer; lightman; Charles Henrickson

We avoid and reject all forms of unionism and syncretism.
-LCMS
(well, since YS 9/11 anyway..)


4 posted on 11/13/2013 3:45:15 PM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alterations - The acronym explains the science.)
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“A group of them attempted to spill their poison on the victims of the Holocaust,” said DAIA Jewish community group head Julio Schlosser, who was present at the meeting.

Since when is praying the rosary in a Catholic cathedral, "spill(ing) poison"?

5 posted on 11/13/2013 4:04:53 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: Cicero

Sounds pretty nasty and stupid to me.

***

I agree.

These goofballs did much more harm than good.


6 posted on 11/13/2013 4:07:10 PM PST by pax_et_bonum (Never Forget the Seals of Extortion 17 - and God Bless Americadd)
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To: NYer

The protestors would be well to pray on the fact that Jesus and nearly all of his earliest followers were Jews.
God has chosen to reveal Himself and His law or moral code to the Jews. Salvation is of the Jews (John 4:22) Jesus chose to live his earthly life as a Jew, and God has chosen to invite the nations of the world into a salvational covenant with Him by means of Jesus the Jew and by “grafting” the gentiles into the Jewish people (Romans 9-11 inclusive).
It is a mystery. The Church cannot fully explain it, neither can the Jews. And we are all still discussing and even debating the details of all this. But, this is how God has decided to deal with the world.

Inviting Jews and Protestant Christians into a cathedral or church to discuss matters of common concern does not mean the Church is abandoning its principles or teachings or faith. Indeed, would the protestors wish that no non-Catholics be invited to step foot into Catholic churches? Where would they find THAT kind of instruction or teaching in Scripture?

Do the protestors plan to continue to live on Rock Three, or do they wish to blast themselves off to some asteroid somewhere where they can live free of any contact or discourse or cooperation with people who happen to not be members of the RC Church and, perhaps, their unique little order?


7 posted on 11/13/2013 4:08:56 PM PST by faithhopecharity
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To: faithhopecharity

uh, this wasn’t a “talk”; it was a ceremony.


8 posted on 11/13/2013 4:12:16 PM PST by piusv
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To: piusv

I concur that a joint “service” COULD be problematical..
but I have attended several which were not any problem at all.

It all depends on how they are conducted, what is said of course.

There is SO much overlap (for obvious reasons) between Roman Catholicism, Protestantism, and Judaism.... especially in that much of the scriptures are shared..... that it is not really very difficult to conduct a shared service which does not undermine Catholic faith.

I have to assume that the local Bishop and priests down there did a competent job of conducting or preparing this event or service in the Cathedral. If that’s wrong, then I would have to stand corrected, but just holding a shared service or event in a Cathedral would certainly not be grounds for somebody to protest or disrupt it, presuming there were no preachings against the Catholic faith, etc.

I gathered from the article (and this could be a misunderstanding) that the protests were against the mere holding of a shared service or event, and not against any particular violation of faith or creed in the course.

Again, there could possibly have been something wrong happen, I just didn’t pick up on that


9 posted on 11/13/2013 4:20:44 PM PST by faithhopecharity
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To: Cicero
The irony of having Catholics praying the rosary thrown out of a cathedral while an "interfaith ceremony" is held there seems to have been lost on some folks here.

Like them or not, these SSPX folks really know how to make their point on solid doctrinal grounds.

There is nothing wrong with meeting occasionally in a Cathedral with people of other faiths. There is no pretense that this is a Mass or a replacement for the Mass.

That's exactly the rationale bishops all over the U.S. use when they invite radical pro-abortion "Catholics" into a church for some political grandstanding.

10 posted on 11/13/2013 4:27:19 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: piusv

ps: for instance, the quotation of the protestor was something against a rabbi presiding or praying in the cathedral. As long as the rabbi did not preach against the Church, and there is NO reason to suppose that he did anything like that, none at all...........then what’s the beef? Jesus was recognized as a Jewish teacher or rabbi, as Scripture makes abundantly clear (St. Peter addressed Jesus as rabbi, Mark 9:5; Nicodemus did likewise, John 3:2, etc.), and Jesus’ entire method or style of teaching was fully consistent with the other rabbis (his methods of discourse, debate, example, parable, etc.)

We can only assume that this protestor would have make a ruckus if Jesus had appeared and participated in this Cathedral prayer or event.

Methinks the protestor should pray on it awhile.
I, for one, pray he can discover a truer faith as God has provided it for us.


11 posted on 11/13/2013 4:28:38 PM PST by faithhopecharity
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To: faithhopecharity

To quote Benjamin Franklin, “We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately.”


12 posted on 11/13/2013 4:30:01 PM PST by Mmogamer (I refudiate the lamestream media, leftists and their prevaricutions.)
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To: faithhopecharity
... for instance, the quotation of the protestor was something against a rabbi presiding or praying in the cathedral. As long as the rabbi did not preach against the Church, and there is NO reason to suppose that he did anything like that, none at all...........then what’s the beef?

1. Would you feel the same way if this was a Muslim presiding at the service?

2. If it's no big deal, then why not hold the event in a synagogue and invite all the participants there?

13 posted on 11/13/2013 4:30:54 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: Alberta's Child

Such events have often been held in synagogues and with RC Priests at the head of the invitation list.

A Muslim is different.
That is because the Islamic scriptures teach explicitly against Jesus Christ, and because those scriptures also teach subjugation of Christians and Jews (or their murder).

I have no problem with any legitimate, decent priest, rabbi, or minister of the Bible sharing a prayer in any RC Church, Protestant Church, or Synagogue. It happens all the time and it works out just fine, too.

Acknowledging differences, we are still all praying to the same God.

Moslems do not appear to pray to the same God as do Christians or Jews. I realize that the RC Church and other Biblical faith groups have tried to reach out to Moslems.
This can be accomplished sometimes in non-Islamic countries, and so long as we stick to secular cooperation.
However, yes to answer your question I would not attend a shared service with a Moslem, as I have read their Koran and studied many of their statements and am convinced that they pray to someone very, very different indeed than the One True God of the Bible.

Very different.

(By their fruits, ye shall know them...)


14 posted on 11/13/2013 4:37:31 PM PST by faithhopecharity
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To: faithhopecharity

This “Spirit of Assisi” thinking was condemned by past popes. You would never have had a pre-Vatican II pope/priest sharing services with non-Catholics. Period.

Up is down and down is up.


15 posted on 11/13/2013 4:46:57 PM PST by piusv
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To: NYer

HEY Nyer have you troll UK papers for Thursday cycle

Because try reform teh Cathoic church

Italian Mafia may Pope Francis offer he can’t refuse LOL!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/the-pope/10447007/Pope-Francis-may-be-at-risk-from-Italian-mafia.html


16 posted on 11/13/2013 4:48:02 PM PST by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: Alberta's Child

I’m guessing Jews don’t do joint services in synagogues.


17 posted on 11/13/2013 4:49:29 PM PST by piusv
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To: faithhopecharity

But Vatican II states that Muslims worship the same God!


18 posted on 11/13/2013 4:50:18 PM PST by piusv
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To: faithhopecharity
I hate to break this to you, but Christians and Jews do not exactly pray to the same God, either. I have never seen or heard of any reference in the Old Testament about a Triune God.

This is not merely semantics, either. The distinction between Jews and Christians is absolutely, irreconcilably at the very root of what defines Christianity.

I probably have no religious objection to this sort of ceremony at all, but it ought to be held in a public park or a VFW hall.

19 posted on 11/13/2013 4:51:10 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: ebb tide
“followers of false gods must be kept out of the sacred temple.”

I think it's statements such as this, which are being called "poison." It is based on false assumptions, since the plural ('gods') indicates polytheism, but religious Jews are monotheistic; is also implies that the God they follow is false, when in fact He is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob" -- identified by Jesus as the One True God.

20 posted on 11/13/2013 4:51:38 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Salvation is from the Jews." - Jesus Christ - John 4:22)
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To: piusv
Good for them. I applaud them.

Catholics ought to do the same.

21 posted on 11/13/2013 4:53:27 PM PST by Alberta's Child ("I've never seen such a conclave of minstrels in my life.")
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To: piusv

well, I do not subscribe to that viewpoint.


22 posted on 11/13/2013 4:54:32 PM PST by faithhopecharity
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To: Alberta's Child

Abortion-enthusiast, apostate Catholics are the foulest of the foul; not to be compared with devout, morally upright, Torah-loving Jews. Observant Catholics have more in common morally with observant Jews than we do with, e.g. Andrew Cuomo or Nazi Pelosi.


23 posted on 11/13/2013 4:55:35 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("Salvation is from the Jews." - Jesus Christ - John 4:22)
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To: piusv; Mrs. Don-o
Why did the Jewish Lodge organize a Jewish memorial for Jewish victims in Catholic churches?

Argentine Catholic organizations wondered how it was possible that a Jewish organization, also a lodge, might hold a memorial service in the Cathedral of the Archdiocese of Buenos Aires. The Archdiocese might have helped out differently because of space problems. But why was a liturgical space was made available in the presence of the Blessed Sacrament of Christ Himself? As Cardinal Bergoglio was keynote speaker at the event, it is clear who made ​​the misappropriation, Pagina Catolica even speaks of the possible "desecration" of the Cathedral. In fact, with the "memorial liturgy" a kind of worship was celebrated. Since the event has been running for several years, there are already rehearsed rites similar acts. Before the altar there sat several representatives of Christian denominations (Lutheran, Prebyterianer, Methodist) next to the Cardinal. The official program book with the symbol of B'nai B'rith and the coat of arms of the Archdiocese of Buenos Aires is called an "Inter-religious Liturgy." Six candles symbolize in this Holocaust memorial ritual each of the six million Jewish victims. Rabbi Alejandro Avruj lit each candle along with the representative of a Christian denomination or a Jewish organization. The last of the six candles he lit together with Cardinal Bergoglio.

B’nai B’rith “Memorial Liturgy” in the Cathedral of Buenos Aires With Cardinal Bergoglio

24 posted on 11/13/2013 5:07:23 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: piusv

Well, I do understand that since Vatican II there has been a much more visible ecumenical outreach by the RC Church, than prior thereto.
This outreach is not unprecedented, however.
The Council of Florence was a meeting with the separated Eastern Orthodox churches. Pope Eugene IV not only invited them, but shared a prayer with them.
and
the Council of Trent invited Protestants to attend and participate, assuring them safe passage and leave at any time they wished, etc.
And several Popes have held discussions with, and at times been moved to assist or aid, Jewish people, going back even further in time than the above.

Now then, yes...we have indeed seen a widening of these types of activities since Vatican II. But the idea that the RC Church should shut itself up and not share anything with anybody else on planet earth is ludicrous and does not hold up too well when we examine the real history.

The easiest ecumenicism or sharing, albeit still not without challenges, is with Orthodox, Protestant, and Jewish believers... the Biblical faith traditions, which all pray to the same God (however understood, nobody contradicts the basic fact that it is all the same God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob), and which share essentially the same moral code or teachings.

Even these outreach efforts are difficult for all concerned.
This is why I do not feel very comfortable with ecumenical outreach to non-Biblical traditions, groups which do not pray to the same One True (Biblical) God.

And I am especially worried about any outreaches to Islam, which explicitly rejects Christianity in its scriptures and which seeks to subjugate, or kill, Christians.

But yes the recent Popes have made such attempts.


26 posted on 11/13/2013 5:20:19 PM PST by faithhopecharity
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To: Mrs. Don-o; Alberta's Child; piusv
While Jews varied considerably in their views of a wide range of topics, on one – abortion – they were not only reasonably cohesive in their attitude, but strikingly different from other groups. Given the emphasis in the Jewish tradition on valuing life, on equating the preservation of one life with the preservation of a world and, conversely, the destruction of one life as the destruction of the world (Mishnah Sanhedrin 4:5), this result, on its face, seems as anomalous as it is clear.

First, let’s look at the PRRI data. Essentially regardless of denominational affiliation or demographics, American Jews think abortion should be legal in all (49%) or almost all (44%) cases. That is, fully 93% of all American Jews support legalized abortion in some fashion. Even political leanings, while influential, are not determinative. Among Jewish Democrats support is 95%, but 77% of Jewish Republicans also favor legalized abortion in all or most cases, far exceeding the rate of other groups studied.

The curious consensus of Jews on abortion

27 posted on 11/13/2013 5:27:14 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: ebb tide

The Jews do not pray to Jesus but they do pray to the same God rabbi Jesus prayed to....

that there is a different understanding of the composition, if you will, of God, is agreed. But we (Catholics, Protestants, Jews) all still pray to the very same God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The same one true God.

Doctrinal differences such as trinity and sacraments and true presence... all exist and likely will continue. But all the Biblical faith groups do still pray to the same One True God, something we will do well, I think, to at least acknowledge and appreciate.

Then, we can discuss our particularistic doctrinal understandings as brothers and sisters in faith, people that God has , in His mysterious way, invited or accepted into covenant with Him. (And we will not fall into the trap of behaving as if we were all some kind of artificial enemies.)

Just my 2 cents worth. Call it a widow’s mite of a contribution, if you will

Blessings,


28 posted on 11/13/2013 5:27:47 PM PST by faithhopecharity
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To: NYer

The less of these “ceremonies” the better. What prevented them from meeting in a conference hall of some kind?


29 posted on 11/13/2013 5:28:18 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: Alberta's Child

I didn’t see anything about people being thrown out of the Cathedral for praying the rosary.

And I think there is a big difference between glorifying pro-abortion politicians—which I agree is wrong—and holding a joint prayer meeting with friendly people of different faiths.

I would, incidentally, draw the line at inviting Muslims to such a session, because I don’t think Islam is compatible with Christianity. But there is plenty in common among faithful Catholics, Protestants, and Jews. And what I used to say when I got together with Evangelicals is that we can agree to disagree on a number of points—but there is much that we hold in common. That makes it possible to work together, provided that you don’t push it too hard. I didn’t see any indication that that kind of false “ecumenism” was involved in this case.


30 posted on 11/13/2013 5:34:58 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: faithhopecharity; piusv
But the idea that the RC Church should shut itself up and not share anything with anybody else on planet earth is ludicrous and does not hold up too well when we examine the real history.

Don't you see? What "history" are you referring to? The Catholic Church has already shut itself up since VCII. The Church no longer proclaims, Christ, the Sovereign King, to all nations; nor does it preach, "extra Ecclesiam nulla salus".

31 posted on 11/13/2013 5:35:36 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: annalex
The less of these “ceremonies” the better. What prevented them from meeting in a conference hall of some kind?

EXACTLY!!!

32 posted on 11/13/2013 5:36:43 PM PST by Pyro7480 (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: Pyro7480

I need some kind of mnemonic to remember your “7480”. A few times I wanted to ping you and could not remember the numbers.


33 posted on 11/13/2013 5:47:37 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: ebb tide

before we can agree on “no salvation outside the church” we would need to discuss what constitutes the church?

is the church the hierarchy (as could be derived from how the RC tradition views “on this rock I found my church...,” albeit we have to acknowledge this as a point of debate)

or,
is the church all the faithful? just alive on earth today or those in heaven or purgatory too? and what of the (Jewish) faithful? Saint Gregory said: “”Sancti ante legem, sancti sub lege, sancti sub gratiâ, omnes hi . . . in membris Ecclesiæ sunt constituti” that is, the church includes those saints or believers before the law was given, those saints or believers under the law, and those saints or believers under grace...

That discourse could continue quite awhile.
The point I am struggling to make is,
that
CHURCH is often seen as something beyond, far broader than, the hierarchy or its authority alone.

Now then, you could argue that view as being more akin to Protestantism and Judaism, in that it puts the focus on the individuals (parishioners, believers, members, whatnot), rather than on any priesthood or hierarchy alone.

However we may view it, though, it is also a viewpoint attested within the RC faith tradition (along with, yes, the viewpoint emphasizing the clerical authority structure).

Neither viewpoint is foreign to Catholicism. I believe both are worthy of consideration, and perhaps also clarification as may be helpful, when we use the term, ‘CHURCH’?.

All my best,
fhc


34 posted on 11/13/2013 5:47:55 PM PST by faithhopecharity
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To: Cicero; piusv
And I think there is a big difference between glorifying pro-abortion politicians—which I agree is wrong—and holding a joint prayer meeting with friendly people of different faiths.

So, Venerable Brethren, it is clear why this Apostolic See has never allowed its subjects to take part in the assemblies of non-Catholics: for the union of Christians can only be promoted by promoting the return to the one true Church of Christ of those who are separated from it, for in the past they have unhappily left it. Mortalium-Animos, Pope Pius XI

35 posted on 11/13/2013 5:57:57 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel

Unfortunately “unionism” has sometimes been interpreted to include others who subscribe to the Unaltered Augsburg Confession but who lack official recognition by St. Louis.


36 posted on 11/13/2013 5:59:42 PM PST by lightman (O Lord, save Thy people and bless Thine inheritance, giving to Thy Church vict'ry o'er Her enemies.)
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To: annalex; Alberta's Child
I probably have no religious objection to this sort of ceremony at all, but it ought to be held in a public park or a VFW hall.

The less of these “ceremonies” the better. What prevented them from meeting in a conference hall of some kind?
Yes, I agree completely!
37 posted on 11/13/2013 6:02:54 PM PST by mlizzy ("If people spent an hour a week in Eucharistic Adoration, abortion would be ended." --Mother Teresa)
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To: ebb tide; Cicero; piusv
As well as, of considerably long-standing provenance:
All who enter the church of God and hear the Holy Scriptures, but do not communicate with the people in prayers, or who turn away, by reason of some disorder, from the holy partaking of the Eucharist, are to be cast out of the Church, until, after they shall have made confession, and having brought forth the fruits of penance, and made earnest entreaty, they shall have obtained forgiveness; and it is unlawful to communicate with excommunicated persons, or to assemble in private houses and pray with those who do not pray in the Church; or to receive in one Church those who do not assemble with another Church. And, if any one of the bishops, presbyters, or deacons, or any one in the Canon shall be found communicating with excommunicated persons, let him also be excommunicated, as one who brings confusion on the order of the Church.

Synod of Antioch in Encaeniis (A.D. 341)

38 posted on 11/13/2013 6:44:48 PM PST by annalex (fear them not)
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To: NYer

The caucus label is being removed because the article mentions Jews and Protestants.


39 posted on 11/13/2013 6:45:07 PM PST by Religion Moderator
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To: annalex

Thanks!


40 posted on 11/13/2013 6:59:37 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: NYer; Alex Murphy; metmom

Ahhh, traditionalist virtues on display.


41 posted on 11/13/2013 7:06:01 PM PST by Gamecock (If you have to be One,be a Big Red One.)
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To: faithhopecharity

Oh please oh please oh please Lord let that be so. ...the meek shall inherit the earth...


45 posted on 11/13/2013 7:57:43 PM PST by BlueDragon (...one of these days Alice, to the MOON!)
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To: faithhopecharity; ebb tide
that there is a different understanding of the composition, if you will, of God, is agreed. But we (Catholics, Protestants, Jews) all still pray to the very same God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. The same one true God.

I have to say I have encountered this denial that Jews worship the same God we do because they don't believe in Christ and it strikes me as a strange approach. Let us consider an analogy. Suppose somebody is talking about their neighbour who another person knows well, and they say "Stan Smith is a nice guy. He is from Pennsylvania, and they are all nice from there." Then imagine the other person says, "No, he is from Ohio, not Pennsylvania." Does this mean that the first person is talking about a different Stan Smith, and their imperfect knowledge of him has created a new person different from the other person? No, of course not. They may have different levels of intimate knowledge about this person but they are still both talking about the same man. And the same is true here. Jews and Christians each worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, and that means the same God. The Jews are mistaken about some things about God because they have rejected some sources of knowledge, but that doesn't create a new God which they worship.

47 posted on 11/13/2013 7:58:02 PM PST by cothrige
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To: cothrige
What part of this Gospel do you reject?

[21]For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and giveth life: so the Son also giveth life to whom he will. [22] For neither doth the Father judge any man, but hath given all judgment to the Son. [23] That all men may honour the Son, as they honour the Father. He who honoureth not the Son, honoureth not the Father, who hath sent him. [24] Amen, amen I say unto you, that he who heareth my word, and believeth him that sent me, hath life everlasting; and cometh not into judgment, but is passed from death to life. [25] Amen, amen I say unto you, that the hour cometh, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God, and they that hear shall live. John; Chapter 5

48 posted on 11/13/2013 8:15:34 PM PST by ebb tide
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To: Mrs. Don-o
Nazi Pelosi spelled out what she believes in an interview and she said exactly the same sort of Self and Self Alone trash the anti-Catholic folks who have no church affiliation other than their own Most High and Holy Self spew.

Pelosi and her CINO Bishop pals get a lot of mileage out of "standing up" to the Catholic Church because two thirds of the scum in their little perverted "paradise" hate the Catholic Church for calling a spade a spade.

Someone in Rome needs to wake up and realize that excommunicating Pelosi and others like her would cut the legs out from under their propaganda stalking horse because "victim" status is not nearly as useful as propaganda as is portraying ones self as confronting the Catholic Church by bravely standing up for perversion, paganism, and populist pantheism

Excommunicating such folks has no legs as a story because those who lap that sort of thing up as showing that the Catholic Church is wrong would just nod and say, "I knew it would happen". Until she's excommunicated, though, Nazi Pelosi can make news whenever she likes by blabbering about "her faith" and why she's right about queers, abortion, contraception, or whatever else she wants some air time about.

JMHO. YMMV

49 posted on 11/13/2013 8:32:16 PM PST by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory)
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To: NYer

We see the FR Thread Hijack disease running wild!


50 posted on 11/14/2013 1:31:43 AM PST by iowamark (I must study politics and war that my sons may have liberty to study mathematics and philosophy)
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