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To: CynicalBear; smvoice; daniel1212; roamer_1; GarySpFc
That would be speculation of course. As a matter for consideration the two witnesses prophesy as opposed to proclaim “the same one proclaimed at Pentecost”. By definition it would seem to me they are prophesying what is to befall the world rather than proclaim the gospel.

I agree we are not certain 100% exactly the point. My point originally is we should not be using eschatology to draw a conclusion that Peter preached a different Gospel than Paul. I don't think it was you I responded to perhaps smvoice.

How this conversation started between Christ Blood bought Christians was the article at hand. The article emphasized if we abide in Christ we obey Him. If we love Him we will obey Him. That is true for all ages going back to Adam and Eve. Being saved by Grace through faith does not exempt us from obeying Him.

Now we all know saving faith produces an obedient heart and mind. Romans 7 Paul tells us we will not be perfect, however our mission is obey Him, share Him with others, and do His Will. When we fall short we have Him as a Advocate to the Father.

If we think JMac is giving a legalistic sermon then perhaps I will post a few from Spurgeon, Gill and Henry. They make the same points a believer being obedient. When we say we have faith, that implies in our English language there is faithfulness from the person. I am not promoting a monastic life in the desert, or saying those saved lose their salvation, or only the saved sin no more...No way, and neither is JMac. I am not perfect, none of us are and through God conforming us to His Son's Image we are works in progress. No doubt.

On the prophecy end of this discussion? We all seem to have different varying understandings of eschatology. I think that is fine because although we have much to study, we cannot be 100% certain on many things. We know for certain what Jesus and the apostles gave us. We are to be expectantly waiting in all ages for the immediate return of Messiah Jesus, and keep doing the things He told us to do which the crowning jewel is the Great Commission.

In my opinion we do well to read the first three chapters of Revelation closely because it applied to the churches then as it does today. I might add Jesus was very directive to those churches and emphasized endurance.

I truly believe God revealed a lot of prophecy to us to be used to witness to unbelievers. Prophecy shows there is an end game and all will have to answer to God.

150 posted on 11/24/2013 1:38:17 PM PST by redleghunter
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To: redleghunter; smvoice; daniel1212; roamer_1; GarySpFc

How this conversation started between Christ Blood bought Christians was the article at hand. The article emphasized if we abide in Christ we obey Him.


157 posted on 11/24/2013 2:19:34 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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>> My point originally is we should not be using eschatology to draw a conclusion that Peter preached a different Gospel than Paul.<<

As I said earlier, no one is saying that it’s a different Gospel. It’s simply that God deals with His people differently at different times and in different dispensations. I would think that we all agree that God dealt with Adam differently before Adam sinned than after. God dealt differently with people before He gave the law than after. Likewise before and after Christ’s death and resurrection. Well, it’s different after Pentecost as well. It’s all the same Gospel, just different dispensations. Since Pentecost we are in the dispensation of grace.

>> How this conversation started between Christ Blood bought Christians was the article at hand. The article emphasized if we abide in Christ we obey Him.<<

No doubt about that. The only thing some of us saw is the emphasis on the external motivation rather than the internal indwelling of the Holy Spirit precipitating a desire to please God.

158 posted on 11/24/2013 2:28:10 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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