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Petrus Romanus: Pope Advocates Global Wealth Redistribution,..
SHTF Plan ^ | Nov. 27, 2013 | Marc Slavo

Posted on 11/29/2013 7:33:39 AM PST by SatinDoll

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To: Arthur McGowan

I know that and have posted the word exhortation on this thread. I was referring to how everyone dissed Benedict’s encyclicals when they first came out.


41 posted on 11/29/2013 8:08:18 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: SatinDoll

Not many are until after it happens.


42 posted on 11/29/2013 8:10:18 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; me = independent conservative)
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To: Arthur McGowan
I certainly hope the "solution" you proposed is never enacted, but you raise some excellent points. The "treasures" that exist in the Vatican are priceless to the point of having no market value. What price can be placed on church relics that hold meaning to believers? How does one scrape the frescoes from the walls and ceiling of the Sistine Chapel? What does one do with a sculpted altar from Bernini?

Most importantly, once a full-scale liquidation is complete, and 10 billion, or 100 billion is raised, and even distributed, what do you have left? More importantly, what was accomplished?

43 posted on 11/29/2013 8:13:05 AM PST by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: Salvation

Salvation,

how come this particular pope supposedly constantly gets taken out of context? Benedict didn’t. I am sick of this scenario: pope Francis says something stupid that he didn’t think through the implications of, then has to correct it. How about he shuts up and gets an education and then speaks?


44 posted on 11/29/2013 8:13:42 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: yldstrk

Benedict got taken out of context too.

Probably the media does not want people to care for the poor would be my best bet.


45 posted on 11/29/2013 8:16:07 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: yldstrk

What he wrote (or had written for him):

“54. In this context, some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world. This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacralized workings of the prevailing economic system. Meanwhile, the excluded are still waiting. To sustain a lifestyle which excludes others, or to sustain enthusiasm for that selfish ideal, a globalization of indifference has developed. Almost without being aware of it, we end up being incapable of feeling compassion at the outcry of the poor, weeping for other people’s pain, and feeling a need to help them, as though all this were someone else’s responsibility and not our own. The culture of prosperity deadens us; we are thrilled if the market offers us something new to purchase; and in the meantime all those lives stunted for lack of opportunity seem a mere spectacle; they fail to move us.

No to the new idolatry of money

55. One cause of this situation is found in our relationship with money, since we calmly accept its dominion over ourselves and our societies. The current financial crisis can make us overlook the fact that it originated in a profound human crisis: the denial of the primacy of the human person! We have created new idols. The worship of the ancient golden calf (cf. Ex 32:1-35) has returned in a new and ruthless guise in the idolatry of money and the dictatorship of an impersonal economy lacking a truly human purpose. The worldwide crisis affecting finance and the economy lays bare their imbalances and, above all, their lack of real concern for human beings; man is reduced to one of his needs alone: consumption.

56. While the earnings of a minority are growing exponentially, so too is the gap separating the majority from the prosperity enjoyed by those happy few. This imbalance is the result of ideologies which defend the absolute autonomy of the marketplace and financial speculation. Consequently, they reject the right of states, charged with vigilance for the common good, to exercise any form of control. A new tyranny is thus born, invisible and often virtual, which unilaterally and relentlessly imposes its own laws and rules. Debt and the accumulation of interest also make it difficult for countries to realize the potential of their own economies and keep citizens from enjoying their real purchasing power. To all this we can add widespread corruption and self-serving tax evasion, which have taken on worldwide dimensions. The thirst for power and possessions knows no limits. In this system, which tends to devour everything which stands in the way of increased profits, whatever is fragile, like the environment, is defenseless before the interests of a deified market, which become the only rule... With this in mind, I encourage financial experts and political leaders to ponder the words of one of the sages of antiquity: “Not to share one’s wealth with the poor is to steal from them and to take away their livelihood. It is not our own goods which we hold, but theirs”.

” Welfare projects, which meet certain urgent needs, should be considered merely temporary responses...We can no longer trust in the unseen forces and the invisible hand of the market. Growth in justice requires more than economic growth, while presupposing such growth: it requires decisions, programmes, mechanisms and processes specifically geared to a better distribution of income, the creation of sources of employment and an integral promotion of the poor which goes beyond a simple welfare mentality. I am far from proposing an irresponsible populism, but the economy can no longer turn to remedies that are a new poison, such as attempting to increase profits by reducing the work force and thereby adding to the ranks of the excluded.

205. I ask God to give us more politicians capable of sincere and effective dialogue aimed at healing the deepest roots – and not simply the appearances – of the evils in our world! Politics, though often denigrated, remains a lofty vocation and one of the highest forms of charity, inasmuch as it seeks the common good.[174] We need to be convinced that charity “is the principle not only of micro-relationships (with friends, with family members or within small groups) but also of macro-relationships (social, economic and political ones)”.[175] I beg the Lord to grant us more politicians who are genuinely disturbed by the state of society, the people, the lives of the poor! It is vital that government leaders and financial leaders take heed and broaden their horizons, working to ensure that all citizens have dignified work, education and healthcare...

... Indeed, it is becoming increasingly difficult to find local solutions for enormous global problems which overwhelm local politics with difficulties to resolve. If we really want to achieve a healthy world economy, what is needed at this juncture of history is a more efficient way of interacting which, with due regard for the sovereignty of each nation, ensures the economic well-being of all countries, not just of a few.”

http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/francesco/apost_exhortations/documents/papa-francesco_esortazione-ap_20131124_evangelii-gaudium_en.html


I think this analysis covers the new Pope well:

“Compassionate fellow-feeling, however, can soon become self-indulgent and lead to spiritual pride. It imparts an inner glow, like a shot of whiskey on a cold day, but like whiskey it can prevent the clear-headedness which we need at least as much as we need warmth of heart. Pascal said that the beginning of morality was to think well; generosity of spirit is not enough...

...By elevating feeling over thought, by making compassion the measure of all things, the Pope was able to evade the complexities of the situation, in effect indulging in one of the characteristic vices of our time, moral exhibitionism, which is the espousal of generous sentiment without the pain of having to think of the costs to other people of the implied (but unstated) morally-appropriate policy.”


46 posted on 11/29/2013 8:20:55 AM PST by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: Mr Rogers

“feelings” = trash unreliable

“thought” = possibility of discerning truth


47 posted on 11/29/2013 8:24:56 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: RichInOC

We don’t even have to go that far, the article relies upon the truly sage-like wisdom of Tom Horn. Yes, the Assembly of God preacher Tom Horn who actually wrote a book about the Catholic Church’s plan to introduce and prepare the way for an alien messiah. That’s right—an alien messiah.

Peter the Roman would obviously be pro alien messiah.

Obviously.

Freegards


48 posted on 11/29/2013 8:26:55 AM PST by Ransomed
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To: James C. Bennett

“Nature, as in God?”

No, nor ‘nature’ as in aliens, nor ‘nature’ as in intelligent pigs, nor ‘nature’ as in stale sandwiches.

‘Nature’, as in nature. That’s why I chose the word ‘nature’; it means nature, which is just what I needed a word to mean.


49 posted on 11/29/2013 8:29:43 AM PST by Born to Conserve
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To: Salvation
The author is whacko. I can’t read past the third word in this article.

“coronation???”

A Pope is installed at a Mass. There is no coronation to it.

I urge you to review the dictionary
meaning for "coronation".

It's use is apt.

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach
50 posted on 11/29/2013 8:31:55 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your teaching is my delight.)
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To: Salvation

I wasn’t referring to your reference to Benedict’s encyclicals. I was referring to the SHTF author’s reference to Francis’s latest document as an “encyclical.”

Soon, it will become evident even to consumers of Controlled Media that nothing has changed regarding birth control and sodomy, and Francis’s popularity will collapse to a normal level for a Pope.


51 posted on 11/29/2013 8:32:17 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: Mr Rogers

Link?


52 posted on 11/29/2013 8:34:36 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: SatinDoll
Renounces Free Market Economics as “Crude and Naive”

free market capitalism is the economic system that is compatible with God-given human nature, God-given natural rights, and the Biblical concept of justice.

53 posted on 11/29/2013 8:36:47 AM PST by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: Ransomed

Even though no Pope since Pius IX has deployed the Sacred Flying Monkeys, they have been maintained at full strength all these years.


54 posted on 11/29/2013 8:36:57 AM PST by Arthur McGowan
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To: AnAmericanMother
"This supposedly Marxist or socialist screed is the victim of bad translation"

It was deliberate bad translation. Hopefully the Pope is now aware of these deliberate mis-translations and will speak carefully from now on.

As for poverty and Third world nations, wouldn't it be nice if someone would look into how corrupt governments play into the plights of these countries?

We never hear about this (govt. corruption) this as the reason for poverty.

55 posted on 11/29/2013 8:37:03 AM PST by Pajamajan (Pray for our nation. Thank the Lord for everything you have. Don't wait. Do it today.)
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To: SatinDoll
"...turning Catholic dogma on its head by suggesting it’s OK to be gay when he addressed the issue by asking, “Who am I to judge?”"

If this is he caliber of the article, I strongly suggest NOT wasting your time with the whole thing.

My BS-meter broke a sprocket on that one.

56 posted on 11/29/2013 8:37:26 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o ("The problem ain't what folks don't know. It's what they DO know, that ain't so!" - Will Rogers)
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To: Arthur McGowan

The link to the analysis of the Pope’s tendency to speak without thinking is here:

http://www.libertylawsite.org/2013/07/22/pope-francis-should-seek-clarity-on-moral-responsibility/#.Uf9c7sOZVPM.twitter

The link to what the Pope wrote was in my post.


57 posted on 11/29/2013 8:39:17 AM PST by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: Pajamajan

The ‘bad translations’ are coming from the Vatican.


58 posted on 11/29/2013 8:40:09 AM PST by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: SatinDoll

His regnal name isn’t Peter, his birth name isn’t Peter, he was born in Buenos Aires, not Rome, and his parents came over from northern Italy, again, not Rome. Other than that he fits the name as well as…every other pope.


59 posted on 11/29/2013 8:46:07 AM PST by RichInOC (2013-14 Tiber Swim Team.)
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To: rwilson99

Salvation is by Grace Alone, through Faith Alone, In Christ Alone. John 3:16


60 posted on 11/29/2013 8:49:01 AM PST by bkaycee (John 3:16)
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