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Rush Limbaugh Doesn't Get Pope Francis
Catholic Answers ^ | December 4, 2013 | Trent Horn

Posted on 12/05/2013 6:26:41 AM PST by NYer

In a recent segment on his nationally syndicated radio show, Rush Limbaugh talked about the pope’s new apostolic exhortation Evangelii Gaudium. I don’t have the space to address everything Limbaugh said, but what struck me was his mischaracterization of Pope Francis's comments about economics.

The fundamental problem was that Limbaugh chose to quote not what Pope Francis wrote but a Washington Post article on the exhortation, which stated:

Pope Francis attacked unfettered capitalism as "a new tyranny" and beseeched global leaders to fight poverty and growing inequality, in a document on Tuesday setting out a platform for his papacy and calling for a renewal of the Catholic Church. . . . In it, Francis went further than previous comments criticizing the global economic system, attacking the "idolatry of money."

Limbaugh responded by saying, “This is just pure Marxism coming out of the mouth of the pope. Unfettered capitalism? That doesn't exist anywhere. 'Unfettered capitalism' is a liberal socialist phrase to describe the United States.”

Comrade Francis?

Granted, it takes hours to read this massive document but, for someone whose words are heard by millions of people, before calling the pope a "Marxist" a simple use of the control+F function would have been warranted. If Limbaugh had done that, he would have found that the phrase “unfettered capitalism” does not appear in Evangelii Gaudium.

Neither is the global economy the main theme of this exhortation; rather, it's only one area where Pope Francis is calling on the Church to evangelize the world. He describes specific financial and cultural challenges facing the human community and then addresses the temptations of pastors who must face these challenges. Nowhere does the Pope blame humanity’s woes on the concept of the free market or demand a Marxist government to save mankind.

A Betrayal of John Paul II?

Limbaugh later said, “[J]uxtaposed against the actions of Pope John Paul II, this pope and the things that he released yesterday or recently are really striking.”

No, they aren’t. In his 1991 encyclical Centesimus Annus, Pope John Paul II reflected on socialism and capitalism in light of the recent fall of the Soviet Union. Although he acknowledged that profit has a “legitimate role” in the function of a business and that “the Marxist solution” to economic inequality had failed, he also spoke of the “inadequacies of capitalism” and said that profit is the not the only indicator that a business is doing well. The human dignity of workers matter too, and if capitalism is left unchecked it becomes “ruthless” and leads to “inhuman exploitation.” Pope Francis's words are consistent with John Paul's.

Limbaugh continued:

You talk about unfettered, this is an unfettered anti-capitalist dictate from Pope Francis. And listen to this. This is an actual quote from what he wrote. "The culture of prosperity deadens us. We are thrilled if the market offers us something new to purchase. In the meantime, all those lives stunted for lack of opportunity seem a mere spectacle. They fail to move us." I mean, that's pretty profound. That's going way beyond matters that are ethical. This is almost a statement about who should control financial markets. He says that the global economy needs government control.

But the Pope is not saying that. He is saying that a global economy needs global control, not government control in the form of some creepy one-world government that runs everything. Pope Francis said, “If we really want to achieve a healthy world economy, what is needed at this juncture of history is a more efficient way of interacting which, with due regard for the sovereignty of each nation [emphasis added], ensures the economic well-being of all countries, not just of a few (206).”

A Complex Question

The Church teaches that the dignity of the human person and the management of global economies is more complex than just choosing "capitalism" over "socialism/communism." What is required is an approach that respects individual freedom without allowing that freedom to become some all-consuming monster that tramples the weak and poor.

In Centesimus Annus, Pope John Paul II was asked if capitalism should be the dominant economic model in light of the fall of the USSR. His answer is insightful, and I think it's an excellent parallel to Pope Francis's attitude on the subject. Pope John Paul II said:

The answer is obviously complex. If by "capitalism" is meant an economic system which recognizes the fundamental and positive role of business, the market, private property and the resulting responsibility for the means of production, as well as free human creativity in the economic sector, then the answer is certainly in the affirmative, even though it would perhaps be more appropriate to speak of a "business economy," "market economy" or simply "free economy." But if by "capitalism" is meant a system in which freedom in the economic sector is not circumscribed within a strong juridical framework which places it at the service of human freedom in its totality and sees it as a particular aspect of that freedom, the core of which is ethical and religious, then the reply is certainly negative.

The reality is that the Catholic Church, and Pope Francis included, cannot simply say it is for or against capitalism. It’s a complex question. While the Washington Post said Pope Francis issued a “decidedly populist teaching” the Pope said in Evangelii Gaudium that he was not arguing for “an irresponsible populism,” or a solution that naively pits the poor against the rich (204).

On the other hand, while the Pope might agree with Limbaugh that Adam Smith’s “invisible hand” can lift some people out of poverty, it can also strangle the life out of the poor, and so the Pope says in that same paragraph that we can no longer trust the market alone to ensure that all people are treated with dignity.

In closing, I think that the following paragraph from the Pope’s exhortation is something that should be mailed to Limbaugh and maybe we can turn down the heat just a little bit:

If anyone feels offended by my words, I would respond that I speak them with affection and with the best of intentions, quite apart from any personal interest or political ideology. My words are not those of a foe or an opponent. I am interested only in helping those who are in thrall to an individualistic, indifferent and self-centered mentality to be freed from those unworthy chains and to attain a way of living and thinking which is more humane, noble and fruitful, and which will bring dignity to their presence on this earth (208).



TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: capitalism; liberationtheology; limbaugh; marxism; marxists; pope; popefrancis; rushlimbaugh; rushpope; talkradio
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To: SC_Pete

I believe you are mistaken.

Read the article, please. A comparison between Pope John Paul II and Pope Francis.


41 posted on 12/05/2013 7:13:56 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: NYer

According to Pope Francis, those who advocate the “trickle down theory” are “naive.” According to Jesus, those who call their brother fool are guilty of murder.


42 posted on 12/05/2013 7:14:27 AM PST by Redmen4ever
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To: Proud2BeRight

How many times must we tell you people on the board that this time Rush was wrong?


43 posted on 12/05/2013 7:14:36 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: txrangerette; NYer

Francis, IMHO, has been thoroughly Catholic in his actions and public proclamations, however, his role as Pope is different than Bishop. Christ chose Peter and not John the Beloved for a reason. The lives of the saints give witness to Christ and can be weird and counter cultural in doing so, a pope on the other hand has a Church to steer through time.
My hope would be that Francis be more prudent in placing his thoughts in the context of two thousand years of Christian thought as Benedict did. He could, for example, take Rerum Novarum and provide comment and extension from the time of its writing.
It’s the same frustration I feel in our current US politics in becoming a country of men instead of laws. It just has a real third-world political flavor to it...and it’s a bad taste.


44 posted on 12/05/2013 7:17:12 AM PST by Ouchthatonehurt ("When you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: NYer

Ping


45 posted on 12/05/2013 7:17:55 AM PST by Sivad (NorCal red turf)
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To: NYer
Not holding my breath but Limbaugh owes an apology to his audience.

The pope's comments look exactly like Marxism to me too. Maybe you'd care to explain the difference. It's too subtile for me to discern.

46 posted on 12/05/2013 7:18:20 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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To: Salvation

So what are you saying? Are you really trying to say that this Pope is not a bit naive and perhaps ignorant of economics? Are you saying he does not share the same views of the free market that is shared by many socialists, marxists, democrats and President Obama? Are you saying that the Pope didn’t just give Obamanomics a lift by giving him talking points?

Are you really trying to say, in serious conversation among adults, that Rush is wrong in the general sense about this Pope on economics? Really, thats a streeeeeeeeeeeeeeetch.


47 posted on 12/05/2013 7:19:42 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: NYer
Limbaugh thinks nationally whereas the pope speaks universally.

Wrong and wrong. Limbaugh speaks often of the yearning of the (universal) human spirit for liberty and freedom….and the Pope's comments about economics are (universally) wrong.

48 posted on 12/05/2013 7:21:49 AM PST by C. Edmund Wright (Tokyo Rove is more than a name, it's a GREAT WEBSITE)
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To: Salvation
Limbaugh has lied before about medications he was taking. Why do you believe him?

That's a pretty creepy way to support your position.

49 posted on 12/05/2013 7:30:00 AM PST by 1raider1
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To: Salvation

Why can’t people look objectively at this Pope?


50 posted on 12/05/2013 7:31:37 AM PST by Proud2BeRight
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To: Salvation

If this particular phrase is a mistranslation, the Pope or those at the Vatican responsible for translation, should fix it. The unity of the faithful is, after all, very important.

This particular phrase comes from a string of something like eight paragraphs with only two references to the Bible or to prior teachings of the Church. One of these two references is a nothing burger. It is a reference to the golden calf as an idol. This reference doesn’t demonstrate that Aaron was a trickle-downer, so as to substantiate the assertion of the Pope that free-market economics is idol worship. The traditional understanding is that Aaron was persuaded by those who would have the children of Israel “return to Egypt” (trade freedom for the security of slavery). To me, the populists are the ones who would have us return to Egypt; but, that’s just me. I don’t mean to question whether populists have evil intent or accuse them of idol-worshipping the state.

The other reference is to an early Doctor of the church. Yes, that person said that the rich had a moral obligation to give to the poor. This is a long-established doctrine of the Church, and can be traced to Jesus (e.g., Lazarus and the rich man) and to the Hebrew scriptures. But, that person also taught that forced sharing of the wealth would do no good. So, I am thinking how can a person be cited as an authority on a pick and choose basis? If he is an authority on one thing (the moral obligation of the rich to be charitable), how is he not an authority on the other thing (that charity, to be effective, must be voluntary)?

If the Catholic Church were to say it is possible, as a practical matter, for the government administer a portion of what would be charity, as long as it is sure to allow a significant portion of charity to the private and voluntary sector, I’d be o.k. with that. But, to just ignore thousands of years of tradition, that’s not fair to those in the Church who found comfort in that tradition.


51 posted on 12/05/2013 7:33:34 AM PST by Redmen4ever
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To: NYer
Sorry Charlie, what the pope did was to display an incredible ignorance about economics and its effects on the poor, all this hidden in a warning against "unfettered capitalism", and frankly his ignorance is deafening; likewise what he didn't say about the horrors of state run top down economics is also deafening.

Limbaugh was as close to 100% right in his pronouncements, much as the pope was so very wrong.

52 posted on 12/05/2013 7:41:41 AM PST by Lakeshark (Mr Reid, tear down this law!)
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To: TexasCajun

War Ronald Reagan a Catholic?


53 posted on 12/05/2013 7:42:46 AM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: NYer

Limbaugh needs to go away. He is a faux expert who most assuredly does NOT speak for the Savior.


54 posted on 12/05/2013 7:47:06 AM PST by RIghtwardHo
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To: miss marmelstein

“Catholics do not have to listen to the Pope when he blathers on about political or social issues”

If it’s a dogma of the Church you had better listen and follow the Catechism of the Catholic Church. No abortion, no women ordination, no homosexual “marriage”. These are non-negotiable truths of the Catholic Church. If a Catholic does not agree with them, he should not refer to himself as a Catholic. I would suggest they convert to Episcopalian.


55 posted on 12/05/2013 7:49:17 AM PST by NKP_Vet
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To: NYer

Not everyone agrees with the pope or “infalability.”

Rush is free to believe as he wishes.

Francis’ comments are being taking by homosexuals as “sanctioning” their mating habbits.


56 posted on 12/05/2013 7:50:09 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: NKP_Vet

If a Catholic does not agree with them, he should not refer to himself as a Catholic. I would suggest they convert to Episcopalian.

OR....just register as a democrat.


57 posted on 12/05/2013 7:51:01 AM PST by Mastador1 (I'll take a bad dog over a good politician any day!)
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To: NKP_Vet
War(sic) Ronald Reagan a Catholic?

No. What's RR have to do with the current discussion?

58 posted on 12/05/2013 7:54:41 AM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: RIghtwardHo
He is a faux expert who most assuredly does NOT speak for the Savior.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but in this case, I don't think Rush ever claimed to speak for anyone but himself.

59 posted on 12/05/2013 7:54:43 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Some people meet their heroes. I raised mine. Go Army.)
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To: RIghtwardHo

the pope like other religious figures who push socialism in south america or southwest united states have no clue.

Rush is correct to be critical of this pope on this issue.

I also do not see the vatican selling their stock shares to give away free money.


60 posted on 12/05/2013 7:56:27 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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