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Posted on 12/09/2013 10:42:24 AM PST by GonzoII
The most common Bible verse used against the very Catholic and very biblical doctrines concerning mortal and venial sin is James 2:10-11:
For whoever keeps the whole law but fails in one point has become guilty of all of it. For he who said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill.
The argument is made from this text that all sins are the same before God. Is this true?
Two Points in Response:
First, the context of James 2 reveals St. James to have been talking about showing partiality for the first nine verses leading up to verses ten and eleven. In verse one St. James says, “My brethren, show no partiality as you hold the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ.” St. James then goes on to say that if we show partiality, for example, toward the rich at the expense of the poor, we fail to keep what he calls “the royal law, according to the Scripture, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself’” (verse 8). He then says, in verse nine, “But if you show partiality, you commit sin, and are convicted by the law as transgressors.” This is his lead-in to talking about keeping the commandments.
The point here is we cannot pick and choose who we are going to love as the Lord commands and who we are not going to love. On Judgment Day, we cannot say, “But I loved over six billion people as I love myself, Lord! I only hated that one guy!” It is an all or nothing proposition. In the same way, we cannot say to God on Judgment Day, “But I kept the other nine commandments, Lord!”
The second point I would make here is if you read the rest of verse 11, St. James explains a little more precisely what he means.
For he who said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. If you do not commit adultery but do kill, you have become a transgressor of the law.
He never says anything remotely related to “all sins are equal.” He does not say, “If you commit adultery, you are guilty of murder, lying, stealing, etc.” as if there is no difference between these sins. The gravity of each sin is not his point. He simply points out that if you break any of these laws, you have become a transgressor of the law. Again, I believe he is saying you cannot pick and choose which of Gods laws you will obey and those you will not. You must obey all of them.
What is Mortal and Venial Sin?
The Catechism of the Catholic Church provides:
 Mortal Sin destroys charity in the heart of man by a grave violation of Gods law; it turns man away from God
by preferring an inferior good to him. Venial sin allows charity to subsist, though it offends and wounds it.
What Does the Bible Have to Say?
Whoever then relaxes (breaks) one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Our Lord here teaches that there are “least commandments” a person can break and even teach others to do so yet still remain “in the kingdom of heaven.” That is both a good definition of venial sin and perfectly in line with paragraph 1863 of the Catechism. Then, Jesus goes on to warn us in no uncertain terms that there are other sins that will take us to hellif we do not repent, of course. In Matt. 5: 22, Jesus further says, “ whoever says ‘You fool!’ shall be liable to the hell of fire.” In verses 28-29, he then says:
But I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her her in his heart. If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and throw it away; it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell.
Clearly Jesus teaches there are some sins that will separate us from God for all eternity and some that will not–mortal and venial sin.
And whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come (Matthew 12:32, emphasis added).
This statement of our Lord implies there are at least some sins that can be forgiven in the next life and some that cannot to a people who already believed it to be so. That sounds awful Catholic, doesnt it?
II Maccabees 12:39-46, which was written ca. 125 BC, gives us an excellent historical backdrop that can shed light on the importance of our Lord’s words in Matt. 12:32. As the story goes, Judas Maccabeus and his army collected the bodies of some fallen comrades killed in battle. When they discovered these men were carrying “sacred tokens of the idols of Jamnia, which the law forbids the Jews to wear” (vs. 40), Judas and his companions discerned they had died as a punishment for sin.
Therefore, Judas and his men turned to prayer beseeching that the sin which had been committed might be wholly blotted out He also took up a collection… and sent it to Jerusalem to provide for a sin offering. In doing this he acted very well and honorably Therefore he made atonement for the dead, that they might be delivered from their sin.
Whether one accepts the canonicity of I and II Maccabees really doesn’t matter. Whether a person accepts the inspiration of these books or not does not change the fact that they give us crucial information about the faith and practice of the Jews shortly before the time of Christ from a purely historical perspective. The Jews believed there were some sins that could be forgiven in the next life (analogous to what Catholics call venial sins), and that there were some sins that could not be so forgiven (analogous to what Catholics call mortal sins). That’s the historical record.
Some may argue at this point that this text only mentions some sins can be forgiven in the next life, it never says anything about any sins being unforgiveable. And that is true. However, we also know that at least some Jews of the more orthodox bent believed in a state of separation from God, or hell, where sins cannot be forgiven as well. Jesus himself speaks of this in multiple texts of the New Testament, for example, in Mark 9:47-48:
And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out; it is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than with two eyes to be thrown into hell, where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.
In the latter portion of that text Jesus actually quotes Isaiah 66:24 from the Old Testament as alluding to the existence of hell. And he was not saying anything novel or revolutionary here. According to the Talmud, and many Jewish writings before the time of Christ, as well as Orthodox Jewish teaching today, the Jewish faith has included a belief in a place of eternal punishment for the damned for well over 2,000 years. Moreover, among the Old Testament passages used historically by Jewish scholars, Isaiah 66:24 is one of the most common.
Most importantly, we have to acknowledge that this is the faith in which Jesus and the apostles were raised. They would have been raised to believe there were some sins that can be forgiven in the next life and some sins that cannot be. And it is in this context Jesus declares in the New Testament, as we saw from Matt. 12:32 above.
I John 5:16-18:
If anyone sees his brother committing a sin that is not a deadly sin, he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not deadly. There is sin which is deadly; I do not say one is to pray for that. All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which is not deadly. We know that anyone born of God does not sin, but He who is born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.
1. These verses cannot be any plainer that there is such a thing as “deadly sin” and “sin which is not deadly.” That is precisely what the Church means by mortal (sin unto death) and venial (sin not unto death) sin.
2. St. John distinguishes the effects of mortal and venial sin as well. Members of the Body of Christ can pray for someone who commits venial sin (sin which is not deadly) and “life” (Gr. zo-ay, or the divine life of God) and healing can be communicated to him through that prayer. But when it comes to deadly sin, St. John tells us not to pray for that. This is not meant to say we should not pray for a person in this state of sin at all. Scripture is very clear that we should pray for all men in I Tim. 2:1-2. The context seems to indicate that he is referring to praying that God give [the wounded member of Christ] life directly through that prayer. Divine life and healing can only come through members of the Body of Christ to other members in a direct way if the person being prayed for is in union with the Body of Christ. For mortal sin, one can only pray that God would grant the grace of repentance to the sinner so that they may be restored to communion with the Body of Christ through the sacrament of confession.
To understand this better, consider the analogy St. Paul uses for the People of God in I Corinthians 12:12-27the analogy of the physical body of a human being. St. Paul tells us we are all members of the Body of Christ. A wounded finger that is still attached to its host body can be healed organically by the rest of the body. That kind of wound is analogous to the effect of venial sin. A severed finger, however, cannot be healed by the rest of the body because it is no longer attached to the body. That kind of wound is analogous to the effect of mortal sin. So it is in the Body of Christ.
3. Just after distinguishing between mortal (deadly) and venial (non-deadly) sins, St. John says anyone born of God does not sin. We know St. John could not be referring to all sin here because he already told us in I John 1:8: “If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.” Christians sin. It is clear from the context that St. John is referring to mortal sin here. If we sin mortally, we are cut off from the Body of Christ and are no longer in union with God. In that sense, the one who is in union with God cannot sin mortally. This is yet another clear distinction between mortal and venial sins in this text.
Mortal Sin Lists
We’ve already seen examples of “venial sins” in I John 5:16 and Matt. 5:19, but when it comes to mortal sin in Scripture, there are actually multiple lists of deadly or “mortal” sins in various places in Sacred Scripture. Our Lord himself provides us with several of them in Matthew 15:18-20, Revelation 21:8 and 22:15. St. Paul gives us the rest in Ephesians 5:3-7, Colossians 3:5-6, Galatian 5:19-21, and I Corinthians 6:9-11.
Any one of these biblical texts makes very clear that the biblical data is clearly in favor of mortal sins, but for brevity’s sake I will cite just one of them
But immorality and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you, as is fitting among saints. Let there be no filthiness, nor levity, which are not fitting; but instead let there be thanksgiving. Be sure of this, that no immoral or impure man, or one who is covetous (than is, an idolater), has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for it is because of these things that the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience. Therefore do not associate with them
According to St. Paul, no matter how “born again,” “saved,” or whatever you think you are, if you commit these sins and you do not repent, you will not go to heaven. That is the essence of what “mortal sin” means.
Failing to do that, then you are judged on your works including your sin, and you will fall short of perfection which is the goal. Your good works being only what you should have done, will not make up for your sins. You will suffer the second death unless you have never committed a sin. And scripture tells us all have fallen short.
If you have accepted Jesus as your savior, then your are forgiven of all sin and can stand perfect before God.
Jhn 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. Jhn 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Jhn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. Jhn 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. Jhn 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. Jhn 3:20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. Jhn 3:21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
Hbr 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
catholic high school...a kiss over the count of 10 was a mortal sin
“no matter how born again, saved, or whatever you think you are, if you commit these sins and you do not repent, you will not go to heaven. That is the essence of what mortal sin means.”
I doubt there’s a human that has lived that has repented 100% of their sins.
Sin could be gossiping about a co-worker or even posting some religious commentary on a forum to show how much more enlightened you are than others.
I guess that means i am bound for hell.
“If anyone sees his brother committing a sin that is not a deadly sin, he will ask, and God will give him life for those whose sin is not deadly. There is sin which is deadly; I do not say one is to pray for that. All wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin which is not deadly. We know that anyone born of God does not sin, but He who is born of God keeps him, and the evil one does not touch him.”
‘Nuf said right there.
No, there is no such thing as venial and mortal sins for Christians...If you are under the law, you may be in big trouble...
There is no context of venial and mortal sin in 1John...You guys gotta quit making stuff up...
You don't understand a verse or you don't believe it so you make up your own interpretation...
1Jn 3:2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
1Jn 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
Rom_4:15 Because the law worketh wrath: for where no law is, there is no transgression.
Rom_5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Rom_6:14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
1Jn 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
1Jn 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jn 3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jn 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jn 3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
1Jn 1:6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
We are lying about being Christians...
1Jn 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
The idea is to recognize that Jesus died for our sins...If we had no sins, what did Jesus die for???
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
These scriptures are so simple to anyone who knows even basic bible...Of course we commit sins...But God doesn't see our sins because Jesus became sin for us...
Rom_6:18 Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.
I thank God I don't have the bondage of your religion...
“I thank God I don’t have the bondage of your religion”.
I’ve read Staples’ conversion story among other things by him...Also used to watch Swaggert once in a while...I didn’t turn Catholic by watching Swaggert...I can’t imagine why anyone would...And I don’t intend on paying to find out why Staples wants people to think that...
I attended Jimmy Swaggert’s Family Worship Center for a short while. VERY SHORT. It didn’t make me run to the nearest Catholic Church. It DID make me run FROM Family Worship Center. And straight into God’s Word, to see if those things were so. They weren’t.
Where was this mentioned in the Bible?
HaHaHa...I know what you mean...I enjoyed the music...
Thanks for posing this. I was, truthfully, wondering about this very subject today and this post is helpful in that it at least helps me know there are indeed clear distinctions of sin in the Word of God. I knew there were before but couldn’t think of the precise wording of same.
For me though, I’m still struggling with what makes a sin “venial”. Perhaps it’s because I recently went to a much needed confession, but I honestly can’t think right now of what sin would not break one (or more) of the Ten Commandments.
Any concrete examples of a venial sin would be helpful from anyone. Just so I may more firmly conceptualize the issue. I do not wish to go down the “scrupulous” road, in other words.
I was specifically thinking of the “theft of a piece of candy” issue today. Maybe this is too scrupulous, but it seems to me any theft, no matter how “trivial” would break the commandment to not steal.
Example “b” is helpful though. “c” and “d” are a bit more gray, to me, but still “b” is clear to me, so at least I can be sure there are at least some “venial” sins.
It is a more personal confession yes. I rather prefer the face to face experience.
I John 5:16-18
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