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To: freedumb2003
It might be the best discussion of Free Will on FR, but not the best discussion ever.

God created all things including philosophy and theology. The initial essay claims that Luther was uninterested in abstract theological concepts, i.e. he was uninterested in the higher realms of knowledge created by God and available to Luther if he were willing to study and understand them.

So Luther goes Bible quote shopping and comes up with his men are robots built by God theory.

I really wonder why any dyed-in-the-wool Calvinist would hang out at FR. After all Calvinism is not a conservative religious belief, but a radical one. A very small percentage of the people that have ever lived will be among the elect that enter in Heaven. The rest are doomed to destruction and will only wreak havoc to the elect while they live out their lives.

Why should Calvinists waste any time voting or worrying about which politicians were moving up or down? Why should they care about whether taxes are too high or too low, whether businesses are over or under regulated? It is what it is.

Why would they even want to get involved in foreign policy when they would have to deal with billions of people who haven't even heard about Jesus, let alone have any desire to follow him?

Not all Christians are conservative. Not all Christians should try to be conservative. Some should be radical and among those should be the Calvinists. They should be trying to create isolated communities of solid believers to isolate themselves from riff raff like me.

They should move to northern Idaho. Send out occasional messages to the rest of the world so the elect that haven't already joined them will know where to find them.

Calvinists should stop squandering their lives dealing with mediocre conservatives and form a radical vanguard of true believers!

16 posted on 12/12/2013 3:35:02 PM PST by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
A bit of a Calvinist strawman to your argument, but let us take one point where we agree:

"A very small percentage of the people that have ever lived will be among the elect that enter in Heaven. The rest are doomed to destruction and will only wreak havoc to the elect while they live out their lives."

Matthew 7:14
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

17 posted on 12/12/2013 3:40:09 PM PST by kosciusko51 (Enough of "Who is John Galt?" Who is Patrick Henry?)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

>>Calvinists should stop squandering their lives dealing with mediocre conservatives and form a radical vanguard of true believers!<<

Maybe it already happened...;)


24 posted on 12/12/2013 5:55:47 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Fight Tapinophobia in all its forms! Do not submit to arduus privilege.)
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To: who_would_fardels_bear

Hi, just read this thread from Two Years ago, and liked your comments.

I,too, must be among the unchosen throngs who, sadly, keep on trucking on, wrestling with things unseen, not of the flesh, striving with God as He strives with me...all the while I’m damned . Damned if I do, damned if I don’t. Kinda reminds me of what Paul said, that if there is no resurrection then Christians are the most pitied of all.


26 posted on 10/01/2015 3:46:58 PM PDT by Spirit-striven
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