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Anglicans and Sexual Contradictions
Answering Protestants ^ | 12 December 2013 | Matthew Olson

Posted on 12/12/2013 4:07:04 PM PST by matthewrobertolson

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To: xzins; CynicalBear

Condoms have a notoriously high failure rate. They are the least reliable form of birth control.

They are a pretty poor choice for someone who really wants to avoid pregnancy.

How does that mean that the sex act is not potentially procreative?

Using a condom when a woman is fertile is more potentially procreative than abstaining from sex when she’s fertile.

If God is sovereign, then any sex during a woman’s fertile time is potentially procreative, and I’ve met plenty of people who have had surgery to ensure no more pregnancies, and they ended up with them anyway.

NOTHING is fool proof except not having sex.


161 posted on 12/14/2013 6:07:07 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: metmom; CynicalBear

ALERT! SYSTEM MELTDOWN... caused by mm’s insistence on logic and common sense... there is now underway a mass exit to the nearest mass. Nerves are being shattered and long abandoned brain cells are firing up. Must NOT allow that to occur. Quick, someone grab the wafers and juice. And a chant or two. Calm people. Remain CALM. We have this thing under control.


162 posted on 12/14/2013 6:10:07 PM PST by smvoice (HELP! I'm trapped inside this body and I can't get out!)
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To: metmom; narses; Jvette; trisham

Again, you have it wrong. NFP is about avoiding artificial means of blocking pregnancy.

Nothing blocks that pregnancy or that union in NFP. Absolutely nothing.

A 59 year old woman in England gave natural birth. We don’t really know any upper limit with God, for Sarah was quite old and past menopause and said:

(From Young’s literal translation)

Genesis 18:11 And Sarah is hearkening at the opening of the tent, which is behind him; 12 and Abraham and Sarah [are] aged, entering into days — the way of women hath ceased to be to Sarah; 13 and Sarah laugheth in her heart, saying, `After I have waxed old I have had pleasure! — my lord also [is] old!’ 14 And Jehovah saith unto Abraham, `Why [is] this? Sarah hath laughed, saying, Is it true really — I bear — and I am aged? Is any thing too wonderful for Jehovah? at the appointed time I return unto thee, about the time of life, and Sarah hath a son.’


163 posted on 12/14/2013 6:12:25 PM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: metmom

What is the purpose of a condom?


164 posted on 12/14/2013 6:13:12 PM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: narses; Jvette; trisham

More male/female humor:

Q: What do you call an intelligent, good looking, sensitive man? A: A Rumour

Dear Lord, I pray for Wisdom to understand my man; Love to forgive him; And Patience for his moods. Because, Lord, if I pray for Strength, I’ll beat him to death. AMEN

Q: Why do little boys whine? A: They are practicing to be men.

Q: What does it mean when a man is in your bed gasping for breath and calling your name? A: You did not hold the pillow down long enough.

Q: How do you keep your husband from reading your e-mail? A: Rename the mail folder ‘Instruction Manual’


165 posted on 12/14/2013 6:16:18 PM PST by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: narses

I’d post the bit from “Meaning of Life” with Graham Chapman as the very proper Victorian Anglican gent, but I strongly suspect it wouldn’t last very long.


166 posted on 12/14/2013 6:17:46 PM PST by RichInOC (2013-14 Tiber Swim Team)
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To: boatbums
You have been told this before. NFP leaves it up to God, period. All other methods seek to leave it up to man. You have been told the truth now for at least the third time (by me), If you choose to disregard it you have no one to blame but yourself.

I will pray that the Holy Spirit shows you the truth and bring you home to His Church.

167 posted on 12/14/2013 6:21:44 PM PST by verga (The devil is in the details)
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To: xzins
Again, you have it wrong. NFP is about avoiding artificial means of blocking pregnancy.

Blocking pregnancy is blocking pregnancy, whether it's *natural* or not.

Scripture didn't indicate that Onan used any *artificial* contraceptives.

So the real issue then, is not the avoiding pregnancy, it's just doing it the *natural* way cause that's better, right?

Wrong. If advocating for sex without the procreative potential promotes homosexuality, then NFP promotes homosexuality because it tells married couple to have sex only when they know she can't get pregnant.

168 posted on 12/14/2013 6:24:05 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: xzins
What is the purpose of a condom?

Same thing as avoiding sex when the woman is fertile.

169 posted on 12/14/2013 6:25:12 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: xzins

Typical disrespect shown for men.

Just the kind of *humor* found on sitcoms that is contributing to the degradation of men in this country.

I sure hope I don’t see you complaining about the emasculation of men in this country, because *jokes* like that don’t help any.


170 posted on 12/14/2013 6:28:44 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: Salvation
So this is the big kahuna with you, huh?

I called that one over a year ago.

Notice how the rationalizations swill now start.

171 posted on 12/14/2013 6:29:53 PM PST by verga (The devil is in the details)
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To: smvoice; metmom
Does anyone doubt that Satan wants to keep people as far away from “believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and you will be saved” as possible.

It’s a “generation vipers” focusing on the “rules”, “laws” and whether married couples can have sex without procreation. Inserting rules extrapolated from obscure interpretations in some carnal attempt to attain “holiness”.

Paul’s answer to the jailor was simple and didn’t include a lengthy diatribe on the need to purchase and follow a book of rules. Satan's attempt to keep us from that simple message of salvation and get us to dwell on laws, rules, and cup washing is pervasive with these people.

172 posted on 12/14/2013 6:32:46 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: metmom
>> Just the kind of *humor* found on sitcoms that is contributing to the degradation of men in this country.<<

That’s exactly what I thought when I read it. The liberal indoctrination runs deep.

173 posted on 12/14/2013 6:39:54 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: verga

Projection will do that to someone.

Not everyone thinks like you.


174 posted on 12/14/2013 6:40:51 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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To: narses

Apart from theology, all you have to do is look at those who are for or against birth control within marriage.

Conservatives are split on it. Fair enough.

But every person/group who is for things like abortion, female clergy, and ‘gay marriage’ is also all for birth control within marriage. I bet nobody could find one person who digs these things but also thinks birth control within marriage shouldn’t be accepted as well. At least I’ve never come across it.

I mean, if there isn’t a connection there, why have there not been faith groups that officially accepted something like ‘gay marriage’ or female clergy before they accepted birth control within marriage?

Freegards, thanks for all the pings on FR


175 posted on 12/14/2013 6:42:34 PM PST by Ransomed
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To: metmom

I continue to pray for you and that Jesus may come into your heart someday.


176 posted on 12/14/2013 6:44:00 PM PST by verga (The devil is in the details)
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To: narses

I found that opinion wanting long before RCIA was a gleam in my eye.


177 posted on 12/14/2013 6:56:30 PM PST by RichInOC (2013-14 Tiber Swim Team)
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To: CynicalBear; metmom
Masters of Minutiae. If minutiae could get you into heaven, they would be in like flint. Unfortunately for them, Christ did not die for the minutiae of the world. I still want to be within hearing distance of the first RC who rolls his cart of knowledge before the Creator of the Universe, and attempts to impress Him with all the minutiae he's gathered over his life. And on the other side of the scale rests the blood of Christ. My outer man gets a real kick out of this, after all the grief we're faced with, day after day. But the saved, sealed and perfect member of the Body of Christ grieves for the loss.
178 posted on 12/14/2013 6:57:10 PM PST by smvoice (HELP! I'm trapped inside this body and I can't get out!)
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To: smvoice
I still want to be within hearing distance of the first RC who rolls his cart of knowledge before the Creator of the Universe, and attempts to impress Him with all the minutiae he's gathered over his life

I feel the exact same way about all the protestants that choose "stupid for Jesus" instead of knowing him intimately through His Church and Sacraments.

179 posted on 12/14/2013 7:08:06 PM PST by verga (The devil is in the details)
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To: verga

He did long time ago.

Pray for yourself.


180 posted on 12/14/2013 7:08:18 PM PST by metmom ( ...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith....)
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