Skip to comments.POPEíS CRACKDOWN ON ORDER ALARMS TRADITIONALISTS
Posted on 12/14/2013 8:40:07 PM PST by ebb tide
Pope Francis may have been named Time magazine's Person of the Year, but he has come under scathing criticism from a growing number of traditionalist Catholics for cracking down on a religious order that celebrates the old Latin Mass. The case has become a flashpoint in the ideological tug-of-war going on in the Catholic Church over Francis' revolutionary agenda, which has thrilled progressives and alarmed some conservatives. The matter concerns the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate, a small but growing order of several hundred priests, seminarians and nuns that was founded in Italy in 1990 as an offshoot of the larger Franciscan order of the pope's namesake, St. Francis of Assisi.
(Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ...
“He closed the friars’ seminary and sent its students to other religious universities in Rome. He suspended the activities of the friars’ lay movement. He suspended ordinations of new priests for a year and required future priests to formally accept the teachings of the Second Vatican Council and its new liturgy or be kicked out. And he decreed that current priests must commit themselves in writing to following the existing mission of the order.”
support abortion, homosexuality, goddesses, etc and its seems like we need to be more welcoming and we have better things to do than worry about minor issues such as these.
support traditional mass and you are some type of heretic
Not even going to go to the abc link. abc cannot be trusted with reporting a plane crash, much less what the Pope says and/or what going on within the Church ranks.
I strongly support the Latin mass, for the record, and see only good coming from it.
Lighten up, Francis.
Well ... Perhaps this link will do better ... :-) ...
Too bad, Pope Francis doesn't share you're sentiments. If you won't view the link; do a search for "Franciscans of the Immaculate".
OK, I’m really not liking this new pope.
full support for the Latin Mass
full skepticism for Vatican II
I went to a traditionalist mass for a while, old Latin rite. Mass was really nice. However, the priest who is of this order did not have anything nice to say about the Church and he especially disliked JPII. I never did go back. Catholic-bashing from what looks to be a bonafide Catholic priest ain’t worth it.
Link to sign the petition to remove Fr. Volpi:
Well, he’s infallible. So, hush.
I do not like this Pope one little bit
Just don’t mess with the beer making monks please, okay?
did somebody get to this pope?
The NSA, duh!
You’re absolutely right. First thing an experienced Freeper should notice is that it’s from ABC News and then read only to see if there are any new twists in their propaganda.
Why are you believing stuff that comes from the lamestream ABC?
There must be something to this.
I'm not surprised by anything this pope has done - he seems true his roots and his order. When he was chosen, I was more stunned that he was a Jesuit than that he was from South America. I knew we were in for a ride, for better or worse, though he's a likable man who connects with the people and for that I am grateful. He's definitely shaking things up like Pope John XXIII did during his too short reign.
As long as the Mass is also translated to the local language or everyone in the church speaks Latin.
1 Corinthians 14:19 But in the church I would rather speak five intelligible words to instruct others than ten thousand words in a tongue.
New Living Translation
But in a church meeting I would rather speak five understandable words to help others than ten thousand words in an unknown language.
Holman Christian Standard Bible
yet in the church I would rather speak five words with my understanding, in order to teach others also, than 10,000 words in another language.
International Standard Version
But in church I would rather speak five words with my mind to instruct others than 10,000 words in a foreign language.
Aramaic Bible in Plain English
But in the church I would rather speak five words with my understanding, that I may instruct others also, than 10,000 words in languages.
GOD’S WORD® Translation
Yet, in order to teach others in church, I would rather say five words that can be understood than ten thousand words in another language.
World English Bible
However in the assembly I would rather speak five words with my understanding, that I might instruct others also, than ten thousand words in another language
I doubt it. The article is from lamestream media ABC.
When Paul preached in Acts 2:8 everyone understood him in their own tongue. That was accomplished by the Holy Spirit, but the point was that people needed to understand what was being said. The Holy Spirit accomplished this.
The following verses on the practice of speaking in tongues is instructive. Speaking in a tongue that men do not understand is of no benefit to the men being talked to unless someone interprets. That's true whether the tongue is latin or some kind of angelic tongue or any other "unknown" tongue.
1Cr 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. 1Cr 14:3 But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men to edification, and exhortation, and comfort. 1Cr 14:4 He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church. 1Cr 14:5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.
I hope the Media gets what they deserve for what they’ve done.
Old news. The Franciscans wanted the Old Mass performed and nothing else. That’s why the Church cracked down on them. It was a disciplinary measure.
The Old Mass is still being performed all over the world, especially at the Vatican.
The Pope was kidnapped. An imposter reigns. It’s as if Soros managed it. Popes don’t resign. He was given an offer he couldn’t refuse. “It would really be too bad if something really bad happened, you know, like Pope John Paul I. Capiche?”
This group is not part of the Franciscan Order, they are an Institute. Since they are an institute, which requested to be a Papal Institute instead of its status as a Diocesan Institute, the yagreed to be under the complete authority of the Pontiff should a "question" arise such as this one
Since they are an institute and take a vow of obedience, the people waiting to be ordained must agree to abide by the Church rules
Other than that, the pope is as fallible as the next guy, as Francis so eloquently displays on a near daily basis.
If abc reports something about the Pope, I either dont' read it, or read it with a bucket of salt...
well, it’s not as simple as just the language. The “Latin mass” besides being in Latin :) also had other aspects, such as the priest spent much of the mass turned away from the people. The basic content is the same of course.
All I will say as a Protestant is that ABC only has evil intentions is all this just the same as TIM does.
They want this Pope to fit their adgenda.To be their Saviour to
proclaim their salvation by reaffirming there perverted hearts.
Jesus had very simular difficultys except he knew what to say.
I guess It helps to actually be God.
I pray for the Pope.
Anything the media says about Francis is wrong!!!!
He would do much better getting the Jesuits under control
This BASHING of each other, as Christians and as Catholics is just PLAIN WRONG.
Are there not different rites in the RCC? I consider TLM to be a rite in the RCC.
Thankfully that was DONE under Blessed John Paul II. The Jesuits have since been cleaned up.
Thank-you and God Bless.
Hand missals contain the Mass in the local language. The benefit of having the Mass in Latin is that you would be able to travel anywhere in the world and still understand the Mass.
This is not an infallible teaching and people have every right to disagree.
Our prayer books are printed with Latin on one side and English on the other, it is very simple to pray the Latin Mass. After a while one learns the Latin as well. The Catholic Church is Universal so one liturgical language makes sense.
The priest faces the altar and tabernacle when he is addressing God and not us.
-— so one liturgical language makes sense. -—
It also reverses the punishment for building the Tower of Babel, which is appropriate for Christ’s Church.
Indeed it does.
Not sure if you’re being sarcastic or not. However, I tend to believe that for most Catholics on this forum it wouldn’t matter what media it was. If it states anything against Francis it is totally the media’s fault.
It’s not someone, it’s something: Modernism via Vatican II.
That was what Pentecost was all about, bringing people to Jesus in their own language.
Please see post number 48. Thank-you.
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