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For those who missed NYer's heads up last week
here's the You Tube version:



1 posted on 12/15/2013 3:45:29 AM PST by GonzoII
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I don’t knock any church or denomination that teaches the solid truth of the Bible and the message of salvation through Jesus Christ. Organized religious church heirarchies are a bit of a turn off for me. The persecuted underground churches are the most admirable. The leftist, liberal tilt of some denominations I would avoid like the plague however.


2 posted on 12/15/2013 4:14:58 AM PST by tflabo (Truth or Tyranny)
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Welcome home, Jason Stellman!
3 posted on 12/15/2013 5:30:17 AM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: GonzoII
Nope, didn't miss that one.

Since this thread is starting more visual...


5 posted on 12/15/2013 5:34:17 AM PST by Lee N. Field ("You keep using that verse, but I do not think it means what you think it means.")
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....as is so common with such things, [Stellman] fails to state accurately the position is supposed to be abandoning. He says, “I have begun to doubt whether the Bible alone can be said to be our only infallible authority for faith and practice.” But of course, that is not the formulation of sola Scriptura at all. Protestants hold that Scripture is the only “ultimate and infallible” authority for faith and practice. There are true spiritual authorities in this world that do not occupy the highest place, and the Northwest Presbytery of the PCA is one of them. But Stellman is showing by this action that he values his own personal thought processes over true ecclesiastical authority, rightly embraced....

....Stellman was unable to squeeze as much church authority as he personally wanted to have over him out of a godly ministerium, and so it looks as though he is hunting down a magisterium to suit him. He will, of course, do this as an individual, thinking his own thoughts about the Bible in his own head. The genius of the Roman system is its pragmatic syncretism, which allows folks to bring all kinds of things in with them, from South American animism to North American protestant individualism. This is why a lot of the Protestant converts to Rome didn’t really convert — they are as individualistic as ever, only now they get to play dress-ups.
-- from the thread A Decent Sandwich in New York [Doug Wilson on Jason Stellman's conversion from PCA to Catholic]

I write this to make a plea with those who are still engaging Jason, listening to him, or considering following his path. Look at the real problem here. The radical nature of the paradigm shifts that have taken place in Jason's short life should say something. And the question of why Jason has to make every shift a public event with public attention should say even more. How much attention does Jason really need?....Jason did understand the gospel and decided it was not the answer for him. I repeat, it was not that he misunderstood it, and has departed in ignorance. Jason grasped it, confessed it, was ordained to it, promised to defend it, and then defected consciously from the system of doctrine he promised to uphold.

We've considered the Roman claims, tested them by the Word, and rejected them. Our confession stands because the Word stands. This doesn't mean that the issues are not worth engaging. They are. This doesn't mean that the Romanist claims aren't worth refuting. They are. It's that Jason isn't the fellow with whom we should be having this debate, if only for his sake. There is a bigger problem that the bigger picture exposes. We should be conscious of those who are carried about by every wind of doctrine. The most loving thing we could do for Jason right now is to stop engaging him.
-- from the online article The problem of theological narcissism-- stop giving Jason Stellman attention, please!


8 posted on 12/15/2013 9:03:45 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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