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The Vatican’s Left Turn Under Francis
The American Conservative ^ | 12/17/13 | Rod Dreher

Posted on 12/18/2013 11:10:23 AM PST by BlatherNaut

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To: Gamecock

I’ll admit, I chuckled! A protestant calling another religion “liberal”, best joke I’ve heard on FreeRepublic in days


41 posted on 12/18/2013 1:29:08 PM PST by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: escapefromboston

Protestantism is a general term, not a specific religion. I suspect that most folks around here know that.


42 posted on 12/18/2013 1:35:15 PM PST by Gamecock (Celebrating 20,000 posts of dubious quality.)
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To: Gamecock

Okay a “Calvinist” calling Catholics the liberal religion…is that better??


43 posted on 12/18/2013 1:45:45 PM PST by escapefromboston (manny ortez: mvp)
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To: Greetings_Puny_Humans
A man the Evil Empire feared:


44 posted on 12/18/2013 3:02:38 PM PST by Pyro7480 (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: escapefromboston

95% of black Protestants voted for Obama...


45 posted on 12/18/2013 3:13:44 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: escapefromboston

Yup.

Like I’ve said here before, I’ve had far more Roman Catholics seeking scripts for oral contraceptives than Calvinists.

But I don’t write prescriptions for BCPs.


46 posted on 12/18/2013 3:21:24 PM PST by Gamecock (Celebrating 20,000 posts of dubious quality.)
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To: Salvation; escapefromboston

While we know that Obama received about 95% of the vote from all blacks of all religions and the non-religious in 2008, we don’t have a breakdown of Christian denominations that the black voters were members of, by vote.

We do know that members of the Catholic denomination voted for Obama, which is typical for the Catholic vote, while the overall Protestant vote went republican, which is typical for the Protestant vote.

We know that America’s largest denomination, Catholic, voted for Obama, and that America’s second largest denomination, Southern Baptist, voted massively, overwhelmingly against Obama.


47 posted on 12/18/2013 3:58:26 PM PST by ansel12 ( Ben Bradley- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: Salvation; Gamecock
95% of black Protestants voted for Obama...

What percentage of black Catholics voted for him?

48 posted on 12/18/2013 4:09:21 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: IbJensen

Yes, the problem is post-Vatican II. It is certainly understandable why certain Protestant posters here consider the Catholic Church liberal. My guess is if they lived in 1950 they wouldn’t say the same thing.


49 posted on 12/18/2013 4:20:11 PM PST by piusv
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To: piusv

The Catholic vote has always belonged to the democrat party, and they were known for being liberal and pro-union, pro-FDR, big city machine politics etc, before Vatican II, in fact they have voted republican a few times, since Vatican II.


50 posted on 12/18/2013 5:46:39 PM PST by ansel12 ( Ben Bradley- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: ansel12

A big difference being that abortion and the gay agenda were not part of the Democrat party’s platform at that point in time. Besides, I didn’t take the “liberal” comment to mean the Catholic vote.


51 posted on 12/19/2013 2:19:32 AM PST by piusv
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To: piusv

The Catholic vote is liberal, that is why the left wants to import millions more, the democrat party counts on winning the Catholic voter, and they are correct to do so.


52 posted on 12/19/2013 11:18:20 AM PST by ansel12 ( Ben Bradley- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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To: ansel12; smvoice

For some reason you keep focusing on the Catholic ‘vote” and I’m talking about post Vatican II words and actions of hierarchy (among other things).

Maybe one of the Protestants who called the Catholic Church liberal could chime in because I’m pretty sure they weren’t referring to the voting records of lay Catholics when describing the Catholic Church as “liberal”.


53 posted on 12/19/2013 1:15:32 PM PST by piusv
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To: piusv

Yes I focus on the Catholic vote, this is a political site.

I think Catholics vote the way they do, because they correctly read the overall thrust of the denomination’s politics.


54 posted on 12/19/2013 1:24:39 PM PST by ansel12 ( Ben Bradley- JFK told me that "he was all for people's solving their problems by abortion".)
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