Posted on 12/21/2013 1:55:01 PM PST by NYer
Look again.
Kindly refrain from calling people hypocrites when they don't see and say things exactly the way you do. It presumes an insight into their interior intentions which you do not have.
It would be more clear and objective to say "that's an apparent contradiction," or "that looks like an inconsistency to me," or "there's a paradox here" or, better yet, "I don't quite understand what he means."
That's a phrase I could --- probably should ---use more frequently, myself.
I read the How the first Latin American Pope is Reshaping the Catholic Church - Council on Hemispheric Affairs
Pope Francis formerly Archbishop of Buoneos Aires
Latin America 425 million Catholic (the largest Catholic Population in the World)
Pope is reforming the controversial bank of the Vatican Institute for the Works of religion - transparency and honesty in the bank’s operations including publishing the bank’s budget.
chastisement of the priests regarding personal advancement and worldly ambition
by taking the namesake of Francis (St Francis of Assisi) he wants the church to focus on the poor, the sick, the orphans, the homeless and the marginalized (based on his ministry in the slums of Buenos Aires.
he disagrees with the Liberation theology, but wants a church theology ‘founded on the culture and religious devotion of the common people, of the poor in the first place, with their traditional spiritually and their sense of justice.
As Cardinal - opposed gay marriage and supported legislation more in line with Conservative Catholic social principles.
I understand that the pope desires the church to be more of serving than be served.
I will give you an example of the church denomination i belong too. A Conservative Lutheran Church
own schools preschool through secondary education,
own college for its teachers
and its own seminary for ministers.
Serves the church and the public through
Bethseda Homes for People with Developmental Disabilities
bethseda Thrift Stores
Lutheran Counseling Centers
Service Organizations
Kingdom Builders for building churches, homes.
I do not know everything about this Pope, I have reservations too. But I am optimistic that he desires to clean up some of the worldliness that has encroached in the Catholic Church. Wait and see what happens.
He is a humble man, trying to impress more humility on the church. What is your point here? Pope Francis is a decent man trying to do decent hints. He grew up in a world of misfortune, where many poor people struggle. If he chooses to merely call himself the bishop of Rome, I see no harm. The Pope is, after all, the bishop of Rome is he not?
Further, from Stephen I, to Leo, to Gregory, they all referred to themselves as the Bishop of Rome. Further, the term Vicar of Christ and Bishop of Rome are interchangeable.
So are you saying he now admires none of his priests?
None of the popes you have mentioned above has forbidden a priestly order from offering the TLM.
None of them has said atheists can go to Heaven.
None of them has said everyone has their own idea of “good” and “evil” and as far they follow their own idea of “good”, the world will be a better place.
Then at Christmas time feel free to hate the Pope. I’ll go the other way and love what he’s trying to do for the poor and downtrodden. I’m no liberal by any stretch but if you want to assume I’m some kind of hypocrite then be my guest as well. You and I will have to disagree.
Maybe I’m making too much of a leap on the hate comment. I will apologize there’s no way to delete posts. But it is clear you dislike the man. So I’ll modify my comment to dislike
Stop being silly with sophomoric insults like “hypocrite” to the successor of St. Peter.
Humble man? You bet he is! And he'll be the first to tell you.
“The Council Fathers knew that being open to modern culture meant religious ecumenism and dialogue with non-believers. But afterwards very little was done [!] in that direction….“I have the humility and ambition to want to do something.”
So ebb...was I right. Is it hate or just dislike. You really have issues with this man.
St Peter denied Christ three times after promising Him he never would. What do you call that?
Amazing. Reading the Pope's mind again, ebb tide, what a gift you have for clairvoyance. And finding there only what you expected to find: Aha! Universal, global faults! And papal motivations? Always the worst!
As far as the Pope goes, apparently for some people no judgment is too quick, or too extreme.
I hope so very much that I have misunderstood you.
Please pray for me --- I ask, even, sacrifice for me --- that I can avoid the sin of rash judgment. I will do the same for you.
I told you what I think. Is that a sin?
At. Peter was a dinner just like me. I have many faults and sin. From time to time I say one thing and do another, yet I pray for God’s grace that I might one day find heaven. Are you suggesting now that Peter, the first Pope is not a good person because he denied Christ? I hope you find mercy in your heart and hope you pray that I find mercy as well. Merry Christmas
"Judgement", you say? The Pope refuses to judge homosexual priests, but he does have his little Book of Insults" for other people.
Amazing. Reading the Pope's mind again, ebb tide, what a gift you have for clairvoyance.
I will not speak for ebb tide, but I find this above rather a strange assertion. Why is what has been said above an indication of supposed clairvoyance? Many people have said he is a humble man. Many have said he cares for the poor. Why are those statements not mind reading? They are no different than criticising him for his positions on tradition, which are anything but supportive or sympathetic. The reality is that this pope has clearly evinced a strong disrespect for tradition and an overriding desire for modernism. I will agree with ebb tide in saying that I have strong doubts that Pope Francis admires anything of "old."
my bishop stopped naming them, why? our diocese can’t afford the raise in salary to pay them.
I have known a few monsignors over the years. They typically prefer to be called “Father” and consider the “monsignor” too fancy a term for a guy who merely has been around the block a few times. I don’t think too many priests would care if the term were no longer used.
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